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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Sept 18, 2019 10:21:39 GMT
I agree with this. Everytime I listen to a song where he plays (either live or studio), I always feel like he was there just because the drums were needed. He didn't add anything besides the basic beat. He couldn't go with the flow of the song (no exciting fills, motifs, etc.); a bit boring. Not to mention his cymbals sounded terrible, just like his snare, most of the time (just my opinion). Sure, mixing and production play a role here, but it also comes down to the drummer, I'd say. Pete was always my favourite Quo drummer,the band never sounded as heavy live. Great drummer,came in and did the job asked of him no nonsense just got on with it. When you say no exciting fills etc not sure what you are expecting.This is Quo remember.Pete played for the song,live versions of tracks like Backwater show how he nailed it. Such a shame he was dumped the way he was Cheers Quo’s history is full of some exciting and tasty drumming. Pete, while a master at holding a tempo and heavy-handed live, was just simply too bland and didn’t get into the feel of the songs as much as his predecessor and those who followed him.
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Post by markquo on Sept 18, 2019 10:26:16 GMT
Pete was always my favourite Quo drummer,the band never sounded as heavy live. Great drummer,came in and did the job asked of him no nonsense just got on with it. When you say no exciting fills etc not sure what you are expecting.This is Quo remember.Pete played for the song,live versions of tracks like Backwater show how he nailed it. Such a shame he was dumped the way he was Cheers Quo’s history is full of some exciting and tasty drumming. Pete, while a master at holding a tempo and heavy-handed live, was just simply too bland and didn’t get into the feel of the songs as much as his predecessor and those who followed him. Here’s an excellent example of his playing.The guy after him maybe was more technical but wasn’t right for Quo. What more is Pete meant to have played? Cheers
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Sept 18, 2019 11:50:19 GMT
Quo’s history is full of some exciting and tasty drumming. Pete, while a master at holding a tempo and heavy-handed live, was just simply too bland and didn’t get into the feel of the songs as much as his predecessor and those who followed him. Here’s an excellent example of his playing.The guy after him maybe was more technical but wasn’t right for Quo. What more is Pete meant to have played? Cheers I was referring to your comment about exciting drumming that adds to the group either in a subtle way or significant way. In the case of Coghlan, he always had really little subtle bits and bobs in terms of how he incorporated the cowbell and tambourine live, the likes of around the 1.50 mark of Big Fat Mama from Quo Live and the off-beat he'd play during the intro of Caroline. By no means a flashy drummer but his feel was off the charts and had some very tasty moments. Nothing springs to mind about Pete other than being a hefty beat-holder. His shuffle was way too tight for Quo and a lot of his fills and moments where the rhythm was prominent in songs sounded very dull. Jeff Rich was the best drummer Quo ever had but wasn't the best drummer for Quo, a drummers wet dream to watch but also too tight on his shuffle and just overall too busy with less subtleties and more flash. By absolutely no means the reason Quo sped up for multiple reasons, the speed of some of the live stuff from the 70s is equally as baffling, but what adds to the fact in Jeff's case is how busy everything became, whether it be an extra kick thrown in or an extra crash on the snare hits- stuff like that makes the speed of the thing a lot more noticeable (Caroline on Live Alive Quo for instance, or his drumming on Roll Over Lay Down) Matt was the only other drummer Quo ever had who could shuffle in anyway close to Coghlan, but was also the only other Quo drummer who left a real lasting mark other than Coghlan in the studio (the likes of early 2000s recordings like You'll Come Round incorporating more 'of the time' drum beats with the rise of groups like Franz Ferdinand). I think the most common complaint with Matt is he was too light in how he played, which is fair but it also brought the guitars out more for Quo for the first time since the early 80s. Leon really only struck me as finally settling in when I watched the Hyde Park gig the other day, really comfortable playing on the beat and filling out the songs nicely with more than just the typical L to R fills that a lot of Quo recordings bare, not the worst shuffler either and a big part of Quo sounding as good as they did in the early 2000s now is down to his drumming style. Very solid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 13:07:04 GMT
Here’s an excellent example of his playing.The guy after him maybe was more technical but wasn’t right for Quo. What more is Pete meant to have played? Cheers I was referring to your comment about exciting drumming that adds to the group either in a subtle way or significant way. In the case of Coghlan, he always had really little subtle bits and bobs in terms of how he incorporated the cowbell and tambourine live, the likes of around the 1.50 mark of Big Fat Mama from Quo Live and the off-beat he'd play during the intro of Caroline. By no means a flashy drummer but his feel was off the charts and had some very tasty moments. Nothing springs to mind about Pete other than being a hefty beat-holder. His shuffle was way too tight for Quo and a lot of his fills and moments where the rhythm was prominent in songs sounded very dull. Jeff Rich was the best drummer Quo ever had but wasn't the best drummer for Quo, a drummers wet dream to watch but also too tight on his shuffle and just overall too busy with less subtleties and more flash. By absolutely no means the reason Quo sped up for multiple reasons, the speed of some of the live stuff from the 70s is equally as baffling, but what adds to the fact in Jeff's case is how busy everything became, whether it be an extra kick thrown in or an extra crash on the snare hits- stuff like that makes the speed of the thing a lot more noticeable (Caroline on Live Alive Quo for instance, or his drumming on Roll Over Lay Down) Matt was the only other drummer Quo ever had who could shuffle in anyway close to Coghlan, but was also the only other Quo drummer who left a real lasting mark other than Coghlan in the studio (the likes of early 2000s recordings like You'll Come Round incorporating more 'of the time' drum beats with the rise of groups like Franz Ferdinand). I think the most common complaint with Matt is he was too light in how he played, which is fair but it also brought the guitars out more for Quo for the first time since the early 80s. Leon really only struck me as finally settling in when I watched the Hyde Park gig the other day, really comfortable playing on the beat and filling out the songs nicely with more than just the typical L to R fills that a lot of Quo recordings bare, not the worst shuffler either and a big part of Quo sounding as good as they did in the early 2000s now is down to his drumming style. Very solid. Great summary of the history of Quo drummers! I do disagree about Pete Kircher though, firstly he never really had the time to fully establish himself and his style before he was dispensed with. For me one of the best performances of all time was the EOTR version of Forty Five Hundred Times and Pete's drumming was mind blowing, I never tire of watching the video. I saw the band three times on that tour and Pete was absolutely on fire every gig. Leon has really excelled this year, thanks to the magic of the internet I watched the Hyde Park gig last night and thought he was great, you could pick out the JC and PK nuances in his playing so easily, he's really stepped up a gear this year.
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Post by markquo on Sept 18, 2019 13:08:00 GMT
Here’s an excellent example of his playing.The guy after him maybe was more technical but wasn’t right for Quo. What more is Pete meant to have played? Cheers I was referring to your comment about exciting drumming that adds to the group either in a subtle way or significant way. In the case of Coghlan, he always had really little subtle bits and bobs in terms of how he incorporated the cowbell and tambourine live, the likes of around the 1.50 mark of Big Fat Mama from Quo Live and the off-beat he'd play during the intro of Caroline. By no means a flashy drummer but his feel was off the charts and had some very tasty moments. Nothing springs to mind about Pete other than being a hefty beat-holder. His shuffle was way too tight for Quo and a lot of his fills and moments where the rhythm was prominent in songs sounded very dull. Jeff Rich was the best drummer Quo ever had but wasn't the best drummer for Quo, a drummers wet dream to watch but also too tight on his shuffle and just overall too busy with less subtleties and more flash. By absolutely no means the reason Quo sped up for multiple reasons, the speed of some of the live stuff from the 70s is equally as baffling, but what adds to the fact in Jeff's case is how busy everything became, whether it be an extra kick thrown in or an extra crash on the snare hits- stuff like that makes the speed of the thing a lot more noticeable (Caroline on Live Alive Quo for instance, or his drumming on Roll Over Lay Down) Matt was the only other drummer Quo ever had who could shuffle in anyway close to Coghlan, but was also the only other Quo drummer who left a real lasting mark other than Coghlan in the studio (the likes of early 2000s recordings like You'll Come Round incorporating more 'of the time' drum beats with the rise of groups like Franz Ferdinand). I think the most common complaint with Matt is he was too light in how he played, which is fair but it also brought the guitars out more for Quo for the first time since the early 80s. Leon really only struck me as finally settling in when I watched the Hyde Park gig the other day, really comfortable playing on the beat and filling out the songs nicely with more than just the typical L to R fills that a lot of Quo recordings bare, not the worst shuffler either and a big part of Quo sounding as good as they did in the early 2000s now is down to his drumming style. Very solid. There you go great example of Pete nailing the shuffle Cheers
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