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Post by freewilly on Apr 14, 2018 0:33:01 GMT
That's what Rock n Roll is about
Yes, I know John wasn't there but, you could see with Francis and Alan, there was no running around. That was "in the zone!"
Best bit was Rick, telling Pete to keep it going
Everything is just....
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 14, 2018 7:45:44 GMT
That's what Rock n Roll is about Yes, I know John wasn't there but, you could see with Francis and Alan, there was no running around. That was "in the zone!" Best bit was Rick, telling Pete to keep it going Everything is just.... I know it’s a clip but the drumming is all wrong and who tuned Francis’s guitar. It’s great stuff but they had been so so much better. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 14, 2018 8:08:45 GMT
That's what Rock n Roll is about Yes, I know John wasn't there but, you could see with Francis and Alan, there was no running around. That was "in the zone!" Best bit was Rick, telling Pete to keep it going Everything is just.... I know it’s a clip but the drumming is all wrong and who tuned Francis’s guitar. It’s great stuff but they had been so so much better. How is the drumming "wrong"  Had he copied how Coghlan played it people still wouldn't have been happy with Pete regardless. Coghlan played that section on the hi-hat, whereas it sounds heavier when played on the ride like Pete does. I'll probably get shot for saying this, but, the Milton Keynes version of Forty Five Hundred Times is better and heavier than the one on the Live! album |
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Post by unspokenwords on Apr 14, 2018 11:32:00 GMT
The band had really nailed things at this stage.They were like a finely tuned orchestra.
With music like this, or, if they had have payed for example the full Slow Train live, they would not perhaps have been laughed at so much in terms of being the '3 chord' 'lamebrain' wonders. Indeed this could have been their Hotel California or Stairway to Heaven performance. In a sense however I am glad they didn't go down the latter route as I prefer them as the dynamic three chord wonders who bordered on being the original exciting forerunners of punk and not the prog rock dinosaurs that I personally have no time for.
It is a pity that Rossi needed coke to play this good but that this also messed up his (and others) head to a point that the feeling of wanting to play together disappeared.
The standard was never to be the same again until the reunion in 2013/2014.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 12:43:21 GMT
I know it’s a clip but the drumming is all wrong and who tuned Francis’s guitar. It’s great stuff but they had been so so much better. How is the drumming "wrong" Had he copied how Coghlan played it people still wouldn't have been happy with Pete regardless. Coghlan played that section on the hi-hat, whereas it sounds heavier when played on the ride like Pete does. I'll probably get shot for saying this, but, the Milton Keynes version of Forty Five Hundred Times is better and heavier than the one on the Live! album Totally agree with you about this version of Forty Five Hundred Times, it's always been my favourite version and Pete was superb, some of the best drumming by anyone I've ever seen, the sheer physical effort it took to even get through the song can be seen by the state he's in at the end. |
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 14, 2018 13:13:39 GMT
I know it’s a clip but the drumming is all wrong and who tuned Francis’s guitar. It’s great stuff but they had been so so much better. How is the drumming "wrong" Had he copied how Coghlan played it people still wouldn't have been happy with Pete regardless. Coghlan played that section on the hi-hat, whereas it sounds heavier when played on the ride like Pete does. I'll probably get shot for saying this, but, the Milton Keynes version of Forty Five Hundred Times is better and heavier than the one on the Live! album To be fair, to use the word wrong is not the correct word. I just think it lacks the swing of John. I prefer his less hard hitting style. Irs also touch to quick. In this case for me I prefer Johns playing. Do I think John should copy his predecessor well no. Is it better than Quo live I guess that’s subjective. As always I will say the best version is from the OTL tour. Which strangely was the template for the reunion version. As for EOTR, I think the performance in Glasgow, Newcastle and Crystal Palace were all better. |
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Post by cactuspete on Apr 14, 2018 16:57:28 GMT
Coghlan for me always.
Kircher however makes it work in a different way.
Either way quos finest live track.
Had any other "cool" band released this it would be heard every day.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Apr 14, 2018 17:07:28 GMT
I like that it's really quite different to Live! It gives us two (well three, including NEC 82) superb versions to enjoy. I've never thought about the drumming, had a favourite or tried to analyse it. Just think they are all awesome. It's only in the last few years I've grown to appreciate the sheer brilliance of the studio version
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 14, 2018 17:23:00 GMT
I like that it's really quite different to Live! It gives us two (well three, including NEC 82) superb versions to enjoy. I've never thought about the drumming, had a favourite or tried to analyse it. Just think they are all awesome. It's only in the last few years I've grown to appreciate the sheer brilliance of the studio version Now I have to say I don't like the studio version... it's one of those tracks that only works live, IMO Then again, I do like the RTYD album version |
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 14, 2018 17:40:08 GMT
I like that it's really quite different to Live! It gives us two (well three, including NEC 82) superb versions to enjoy. I've never thought about the drumming, had a favourite or tried to analyse it. Just think they are all awesome. It's only in the last few years I've grown to appreciate the sheer brilliance of the studio version Now I have to say I don't like the studio version... it's one of those tracks that only works live, IMO Then again, I do like the RTYD album version It’s ok. But in my opinion ruined by the drummer. It’s an arrangement that for me is to quick. As for the original, it may not be perfect but it’s music to my ears. A superb track. |
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Post by freewilly on Apr 14, 2018 21:05:06 GMT
4500 times only comes to glory live.
Play it along side Slow Train.. Forget it.
The thing I find best about that clip, as I said in the title, is that time frame, they go into the "zone"
From bootlegs and the NEC footage, that section was all about running around and the hair flicking etc from what I had seen and heard..
But, when you see Rossi hop on the riser, he notices something going off....Alan becomes more reserved and starts attacking the groove more...Rick, he's so into it he is giving a sign to Pete to keep it going
1. It's the sign of a great band
2. No disrespect to Pete at all, I'm a fan but, if John was there, Rick would never have had to signal anything....
It is very scary what those 4 men were and could have been
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 15, 2018 10:30:17 GMT
4500 times only comes to glory live. Play it along side Slow Train.. Forget it. The thing I find best about that clip, as I said in the title, is that time frame, they go into the "zone" From bootlegs and the NEC footage, that section was all about running around and the hair flicking etc from what I had seen and heard.. But, when you see Rossi hop on the riser, he notices something going off....Alan becomes more reserved and starts attacking the groove more...Rick, he's so into it he is giving a sign to Pete to keep it going 1. It's the sign of a great band 2. No disrespect to Pete at all, I'm a fan but, if John was there, Rick would never have had to signal anything.... It is very scary what those 4 men were and could have been Actually give me 4500 times over Slow train every day of the week. 'It only comes to life, live'. Maybe to you. Live it was great, better than the studio version well till '84. But each to their own. |
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Had he copied how Coghlan played it people still wouldn't have been happy with Pete regardless.
