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Post by Railroad17 on Aug 12, 2017 11:45:03 GMT
Original is pathetic, there's a lot more oomph from Alan and John in the remix. I thought it only fair to listen to the one issued by the band and the record company.I'm awaiting the IYCSTH shithouse mix due for release soon Gaz.
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Post by Gaz on Aug 12, 2017 12:02:43 GMT
Original is pathetic, there's a lot more oomph from Alan and John in the remix. I thought it only fair to listen to the one issued by the band and the record company.I'm awaiting the IYCSTH shithouse mix due for release soon Gaz. Ok then plough on son.
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Post by whoaskedyou on Aug 12, 2017 12:18:08 GMT
This just shows it can depend a lot on when you go into Quo...for me I started buying singles and albums around 79 ..so Whatever You Want is my favourite album..i don't feel too badly about RAOTW and IYCSTH as a result. Oddly I remember buying the back catalogue Ma Kelly's and DOTH and finding them a bit too raw at the time..funny old game...not now though.
If you discovered Quo through Piledriver,Dog,Hello..then I fully understand your struggle.
In some respects folk who got into newer Quo in the eighties might even be luckier than me or you.
Peace and love to all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 12:42:57 GMT
There were 7 of us that went to my first Quo gig in 1977. None of us had seen Quo before, but we all to certain degrees at least liked or were already full fans of Quo. It seemed like safety in numbers at the time - we need not have worried. Loudest in the face gig I'd ever been to without doubt, and also boisterously friendliest gig I had been to as well. Still remains the most awesome music memory that will not be beaten.... I was lucky also in terms of social life and how Quo were accepted away from the fan base. Other than Quo, I liked 70's disco, sixties stuff, folk music, rock and also some punk (e.g Stranglers) and being at college mixing with very different people in different social groups made cross appreciation of different types of music easy. Other than some good natured 3 chord ribbing, never had any problems of being laughing stock either connected to the albums Quo released (RAOTW, IYCSTH or any of them) or being a Quo fan in general After initial first gig in 77, almost the same whole group went again the next time. But this time several more recruited came persuaded based on our word of mouth who were not fans, and a few very sceptical they would like it. Most all, apart from one or two, of them had a great time, and two more I distinctly remember who were full fledged punks and stuck out like a beacon at the gigs, said it was amazing and epitomised all the energy and feeling of anti establishment of punk itself. And punks can/could rock out with the best of them Its easy to think that Quo had/have this laughing stock image, but my own experience at least was that not only were they maybe more respected than some would admit, it was also easy to convert some others with very different music tastes and image, to Quo as well. In this sense I think that the widening of appeal that Quo achieved during the 70's was a very positive thing and should be seen as an achievement. Its highly ironic that it ended up leaving numbers of the original die-hards behind. It took me a few more years to feel greater distance from the band after the amazing early years of those first gigs.
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Post by 4th Chord on Aug 12, 2017 13:03:23 GMT
Listened to them both and it wasn't great.These two albums gave me a new experience when I bought them,they were the first Quo albums that had songs that I didn't like.RAOTW was still Status Quo with only a few I didn't fancy,Baby Boy,Who Am I and For You,in the case of IYCSTH it was a case of what do I like and it's Accident Prone and not much else.Someone Show Me Home is a pervy weird one and Long Legged Linda("Barely sweet sixteen" you pervert Bown)is as horrible as I remember it but the ultimate is Giving Up My Worrying..hated it back then and it's got worse..what a total crap song from a total crap album filled with backing singers and other noises. Wait, what did you just say about Long Legged Linda?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:19:33 GMT
The lyrics to LLL are not the greatest it has to be said...
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Post by kachunk on Aug 12, 2017 15:03:50 GMT
Original is pathetic, there's a lot more oomph from Alan and John in the remix. In particular,the remixed version of Rockers Rollin' is great and the last couple of minutes of that track,when the band take it up a gear,is wonderful.
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Post by quomaster on Aug 15, 2017 22:02:22 GMT
This is an interesting discussion. A number of things come into our perception of Quo and their output - time, nostalgia, cultural change, technology and age. Many here see "Quo" as the band and body of work from 1971-76 - one tenth of their career. Similarly, I know people who hate post 1966 Beatles music. Music evolves (it can't stay still) and is affected by those factors I mentioned above.
I am lucky in that I can compartmentalize every Quo song and album and take it for what its worth with no preconceptions. My fave albums are Piledriver and Hello but personally I would rather listen to Heavy Traffic than Quo!
Those early albums capture a time when the planets aligned that could not be reproduced now, even by the original band. Had the FF re-recorded Piledriver it would have sounded dire - nobody's fault but it wouldn't have sounded the same. Also consider if songs like Shine On or Belavista Man were recorded in 1973 - how different they would have been.
I only like a couple of songs on IYCSTH and hated the RAOTW original (love the remix). What it showed was a band evolving with the times - guys getting older, a changing culture with punk, rapidly changing recording technology, different life experiences and hence songs. It is all one big cocktail.
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Post by freewilly on Aug 16, 2017 7:41:19 GMT
This is an interesting discussion. A number of things come into our perception of Quo and their output - time, nostalgia, cultural change, technology and age. Many here see "Quo" as the band and body of work from 1971-76 - one tenth of their career. Similarly, I know people who hate post 1966 Beatles music. Music evolves (it can't stay still) and is affected by those factors I mentioned above. I am lucky in that I can compartmentalize every Quo song and album and take it for what its worth with no preconceptions. My fave albums are Piledriver and Hello but personally I would rather listen to Heavy Traffic than Quo! Those early albums capture a time when the planets aligned that could not be reproduced now, even by the original band. Had the FF re-recorded Piledriver it would have sounded dire - nobody's fault but it wouldn't have sounded the same. Also consider if songs like Shine On or Belavista Man were recorded in 1973 - how different they would have been. I only like a couple of songs on IYCSTH and hated the RAOTW original (love the remix). What it showed was a band evolving with the times - guys getting older, a changing culture with punk, rapidly changing recording technology, different life experiences and hence songs. It is all one big cocktail. What is it with the word "nostalgia??"
Is it because Rossi said it so it's now an element in terms of how we listen to things? He says it so it's fact?
Newsflash for people going on about it... I'm 28. Wasn't alive in the 70s. Never seen the FF before 2013. I still prefer the songs pre 1982 and the FF in 2013 and 2014 wiped the floor with any other line up of the band I have seen. Why? Because the songs were well written, it sounded like a band and it felt like the songs meant something. Same live. They performed with feeling and soul and that's what it should be about.
Had nothing to do with nostalgia for me! Clearly because I wasn't even alive and I highly doubt CG, Railroad or anyone else here who went to those FF gigs came out and said, "Well that brought me right back to when I was kid" or, when they play OTL at home on a CD player, I highly doubt they go, "Ahhh this takes me back to when I was breast fed" or "Ahhh makes me nostalgic for Santy coming down the chimney" or "Ahhhh Down Down makes me nostalgic...I don't know why, but it does"
I am genuinely interested....Is it because of Rossi saying it that now certain people say it as if it's a fact, when they haven't a clue why? Or, are people serious when they say it and if so, why?
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 16, 2017 8:28:24 GMT
There certainly were people here and elsewhere saying that it took them back to a time when Quo were the best band in the land and everyone stood at the front.
How do we divide "nostalgia" from the experience of something really good that we have not experienced for many years? That is the question that is bugging me now. Clearly I can't be nostalgic for the "Frantic Four" as i never experienced them, John having left the year before, but I can still remember what the band was like then they had all their energy, and I was first a fan, and I can still remember what the band was like with Alan. I have no beef with Rhino, but if I could restore that rift I would, because it was a better band with Alan in it. That can't be helped, Alan is a singer, Rhino isn't.
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 16, 2017 10:59:46 GMT
Hey freewilly , I agree that preferring the classic Quo line-up is not about nostalgia. And I love that younger fans like you and Quoincidence can hear what we all heard back in the earlier days. I've been thinking about your post though, and I have to be honest and say that there was some element of nostalgia about seeing them all play again. However, that is not a bad thing in my book. For me, this emotion started after seeing the film Hello Quo at the premiere. I can remember going home from the screening feeling the intense passion for Quo that I hadn't had since my teens. I was on a high. Prior that, I'd got familiar with the new faces of the band via the docs available on youtube. As characters, I liked them because I wasn't seeing them play live. And I suppose I'd accepted them as Quo now. But that all changed after seeing the film. Imagine it, a massive cinema screen, in London's West End, and there, in massive close-ups are Alan and then John, yes a bit older but still so familiar. And a huge rush of emotion came over me. I thought, "Oh, there you are , its Alan, and John." I guess that must have been nostalgia for early Quo and the faces from the posters I had of the four of them on my bedroom wall. So the reunion gigs did have an element of nostalgia for me but it was much more than that. It was the chance to meet fellow Quo fans and share the love of my favourite band with those who get it. And the sound was 'right' to my ears. This was Quo for me. Listening to the classic back catalogue though is not nostalgia - that's about listening to music I love. For years, post 84, I didn't listen to Quo because I was so upset that they'd split. And I enjoyed discovering other music. I only started listening to them again after HT. I bought BFY on CD which came with Quo. And I've hesitated about repurchasing all the other old albums. I don't know why. I keep wanting to find new music instead. However, I don't think its nostalgia holding me back. I listened to those early albums, even including 1+9+8+2 so many times that I feel they're ingrained in my heart now. Or maybe it is nostalgia and I'm in denial.
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Post by Gaz on Aug 16, 2017 12:06:12 GMT
Hey freewilly, I agree that preferring the classic Quo line-up is not about nostalgia. And I love that younger fans like you and Quoincidence can hear what we all heard back in the earlier days. I've been thinking about your post though, and I have to be honest and say that there was some element of nostalgia about seeing them all play again. However, that is not a bad thing in my book. For me, this emotion started after seeing the film Hello Quo at the premiere. I can remember going home from the screening feeling the intense passion for Quo that I hadn't had since my teens. I was on a high. Prior that, I'd got familiar with the new faces of the band via the docs available on youtube. As characters, I liked them because I wasn't seeing them play live. And I suppose I'd accepted them as Quo now. But that all changed after seeing the film. Imagine it, a massive cinema screen, in London's West End, and there, in massive close-ups are Alan and then John, yes a bit older but still so familiar. And a huge rush of emotion came over me. I thought, "Oh, there you are , its Alan, and John." I guess that must have been nostalgia for early Quo and the faces from the posters I had of the four of them on my bedroom wall. So the reunion gigs did have an element of nostalgia for me but it was much more than that. It was the chance to meet fellow Quo fans and share the love of my favourite band with those who get it. And the sound was 'right' to my ears. This was Quo for me. Listening to the classic back catalogue though is not nostalgia - that's about listening to music I love. For years, post 84, I didn't listen to Quo because I was so upset that they'd split. And I enjoyed discovering other music. I only started listening to them again after HT. I bought BFY on CD which came with Quo. And I've hesitated about repurchasing all the other old albums. I don't know why. I keep wanting to find new music instead. However, I don't think its nostalgia holding me back. I listened to those early albums, even including 1+9+8+2 so many times that I feel they're ingrained in my heart now. Or maybe it is, and I'm in denial. Spot on CG even though I couldn't see the re union gigs but not a loss to me as they are still crystal clear in my mind (and ears) from when I saw them in the 70s. How good is that ... we saw them in the 70s!!
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 6, 2017 13:45:12 GMT
This is an interesting discussion. A number of things come into our perception of Quo and their output - time, nostalgia, cultural change, technology and age. Many here see "Quo" as the band and body of work from 1971-76 - one tenth of their career. Similarly, I know people who hate post 1966 Beatles music. Music evolves (it can't stay still) and is affected by those factors I mentioned above. I am lucky in that I can compartmentalize every Quo song and album and take it for what its worth with no preconceptions. My fave albums are Piledriver and Hello but personally I would rather listen to Heavy Traffic than Quo! Those early albums capture a time when the planets aligned that could not be reproduced now, even by the original band. Had the FF re-recorded Piledriver it would have sounded dire - nobody's fault but it wouldn't have sounded the same. Also consider if songs like Shine On or Belavista Man were recorded in 1973 - how different they would have been. I only like a couple of songs on IYCSTH and hated the RAOTW original (love the remix). What it showed was a band evolving with the times - guys getting older, a changing culture with punk, rapidly changing recording technology, different life experiences and hence songs. It is all one big cocktail. What is it with the word "nostalgia??"
Is it because Rossi said it so it's now an element in terms of how we listen to things? He says it so it's fact?
Newsflash for people going on about it... I'm 28. Wasn't alive in the 70s. Never seen the FF before 2013. I still prefer the songs pre 1982 and the FF in 2013 and 2014 wiped the floor with any other line up of the band I have seen. Why? Because the songs were well written, it sounded like a band and it felt like the songs meant something. Same live. They performed with feeling and soul and that's what it should be about.
Had nothing to do with nostalgia for me! Clearly because I wasn't even alive and I highly doubt CG, Railroad or anyone else here who went to those FF gigs came out and said, "Well that brought me right back to when I was kid" or, when they play OTL at home on a CD player, I highly doubt they go, "Ahhh this takes me back to when I was breast fed" or "Ahhh makes me nostalgic for Santy coming down the chimney" or "Ahhhh Down Down makes me nostalgic...I don't know why, but it does"
I am genuinely interested....Is it because of Rossi saying it that now certain people say it as if it's a fact, when they haven't a clue why? Or, are people serious when they say it and if so, why?
Nostalgia is far more complex than you are making it out to be. If somebody gets into Quo by hearing Piledriver and gradually picks up the rest of their catalogue, it's likely they'll later be "nostalgic" about Piledriver. Manfred Mann once put it in very drastic words - "People tend to love the music most that they heard when they started masturbating!" Like Francis, he's somebody who doesn't like to look back and he didn't like the radio interviewer going on and on about his 60s output. As a musician, he's developed a lot since then. Still it remains a fact that most music fans' tastes are shaped during puberty (not during breast feeding! ), and in these retrospective days that doesn't have to be recent music either. Now, I take your word that your enjoyment of the FF gigs had nothing to do with nostalgia (though I don't know which Quo albums you heard when you first got into the band). But for a lot of people it did. And the tours were self-concious of that fact. No moving spotlights (like in the 70s). No keyboards. No songs beyond 1976. The setlist mainly emulating the '76 live album. Those are all indications of the band playing on, even selling on nostalgia. Sure, there were a few unusual tracks. But the nostalgic concept is clear. ...And for me, that is the main weakness (based on the DVDs). Had they decided to throw in some 1977-1981 tunes or even a handful of later Rossi/Young songs interpreted by the FF lineup, it would have been something new, a blend of the old FF and some of the good ingredients of later Quo. And thus, I wouldn't constantly compare the performances to the old 70s live recordings and hear the flaws. But I accept that I am in the minority with that opinion. Particularly on this board.
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Post by freewilly on Sept 6, 2017 14:44:10 GMT
What is it with the word "nostalgia??"
Is it because Rossi said it so it's now an element in terms of how we listen to things? He says it so it's fact?
Newsflash for people going on about it... I'm 28. Wasn't alive in the 70s. Never seen the FF before 2013. I still prefer the songs pre 1982 and the FF in 2013 and 2014 wiped the floor with any other line up of the band I have seen. Why? Because the songs were well written, it sounded like a band and it felt like the songs meant something. Same live. They performed with feeling and soul and that's what it should be about.
Had nothing to do with nostalgia for me! Clearly because I wasn't even alive and I highly doubt CG, Railroad or anyone else here who went to those FF gigs came out and said, "Well that brought me right back to when I was kid" or, when they play OTL at home on a CD player, I highly doubt they go, "Ahhh this takes me back to when I was breast fed" or "Ahhh makes me nostalgic for Santy coming down the chimney" or "Ahhhh Down Down makes me nostalgic...I don't know why, but it does"
I am genuinely interested....Is it because of Rossi saying it that now certain people say it as if it's a fact, when they haven't a clue why? Or, are people serious when they say it and if so, why?
Nostalgia is far more complex than you are making it out to be. If somebody gets into Quo by hearing Piledriver and gradually picks up the rest of their catalogue, it's likely they'll later be "nostalgic" about Piledriver. Manfred Mann once put it in very drastic words - "People tend to love the music most that they heard when they started masturbating!" Like Francis, he's somebody who doesn't like to look back and he didn't like the radio interviewer going on and on about his 60s output. As a musician, he's developed a lot since then. Still it remains a fact that most music fans' tastes are shaped during puberty (not during breast feeding! ), and in these retrospective days that doesn't have to be recent music either. Now, I take your word that your enjoyment of the FF gigs had nothing to do with nostalgia (though I don't know which Quo albums you heard when you first got into the band). But for a lot of people it did. And the tours were self-concious of that fact. No moving spotlights (like in the 70s). No keyboards. No songs beyond 1976. The setlist mainly emulating the '76 live album. Those are all indications of the band playing on, even selling on nostalgia. Sure, there were a few unusual tracks. But the nostalgic concept is clear. ...And for me, that is the main weakness (based on the DVDs). Had they decided to throw in some 1977-1981 tunes or even a handful of later Rossi/Young songs interpreted by the FF lineup, it would have been something new, a blend of the old FF and some of the good ingredients of later Quo. And thus, I wouldn't constantly compare the performances to the old 70s live recordings and hear the flaws. But I accept that I am in the minority with that opinion. Particularly on this board. Snide response, no matter what way you dress it up.
Considering it was the Army album and the 89 NEC gig that got me into Quo and the fact I never even saw JC or Alan in person, let alone see them live, I can tell you that this 28 year old, was not "nostalgic" for it. How in God's name would me hearing JW by the four of them, transport me back to Glasgow Apollo or my youth? If so, it transported me all the way back to my Father's ball sack then
Personally, the way you word it, I'm convinced more than ever it's just because Rossi said it. The term "nostalgia" wasn't even going around until he said it. Why would lights make people nostalgic? They looked modern to me.
For me, it was about going to see a band that played with fire, heart, feeling and soul....And not a band who done twirly fingers, half arsed versions of classics (Oh Baby and BEL) and a panto stunt during Gerdundula. They were levels above the line up at the time. Anyone who calls themselves a music fan or Quo fan would agree.
More to the point, why would they play songs they never wrote/recorded/produced together?!
Was quite nice hearing the bass lines played correctly though...
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 8, 2017 9:47:06 GMT
Interesting comments frozenhero. I have no problem with the view that the reunion tour was nostalgic for the older fans. I've already agreed with that view, for myself. Bar two additional songs of O Baby and April, Spring - the set list was from a specific live album as a nod back to those earlier times. If it was saying this was Quo Live in the 70s again, adding in other songs defeats that objective. However, if they had continued to tour, I would have loved to hear other old songs from that era again. Later Rossi/Young songs?? Not sure. Nothing has been as good as their earlier collaborations. But Bad News might have been interesting.
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