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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 9, 2017 12:38:10 GMT
So for me Quo are now a 3 piece band with 1 guest and a hired hand. Until 2013 Quo were a 5 Piece and when Matt left became a 4 piece. Leon has recorded with Quo but I don't class the Aquostic albums as proper albums they are self covers albums. I haven't worked out the arithmetic, but with you on the Aquostic front. One caveat: there is new creative input on the Aquostic verions. (This is regardless of whether we like it or not.) I am becoming quite reconciled to retreads, as long as they are good. Hawkwind have a tendency to issue albums with retreads on them, and mostly I like the new versions. Everyone is finding ways of winkling new income streams out of their products! In reality, this can be helpful to ex-members etc. if there are writers royalties involved. If not, it's a double edged dagger. IIUR John in 4th Chord's kind post (I don't have my own copy yet and it's a bit fuzzy) JC feels that if CQ continue to tour electric, it will impact negatively on JCQ's ability to gig profitably. It's a fact that tribs/ex member/solo bands do better of the original band is no longer available. I'm a bit sceptical in this case though - I doubt that the disappearance of "Status Quo" from the rock circuit will suddenly give JCQ a significantly bigger audience,. owing to, as many an older fan has pointed out, a large part of Quo's current audience being people who like to hear Quo hits played by a band that sounds like traditional Quo in arenas with comfy seats. The eager audience for classic Quo from the 1970s is not going to re-emerge from the woodwork ... I know that, for I know one or two, and they have told me so.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 9, 2017 13:29:05 GMT
Fair enough but, I can't see it any different tbh.
Both have one original member. Both do gigs covering the peak years, with members who never played on them or recorded them.
I don't knock John for his side of it tbh. To a certain degree, I don't knock Francis either. As a musician, you'll do anything to play a gig...However, it's come to light recently that Francis has wanted to quit Quo since the late 70's and he's always going on about his solo stuff so, from my POV, he's been an utter arse and he needs to stop that band now and do his solo stuff. It's more dignified than flogging a dead horse. He's even admitted he doesn't know what else to do with Quo.
I also don't have a problem with Andy. I like him. Rhino, I do have a problem with and it's based on his playing. Alan could barely hold a plectrum at the reunion gigs and still played the bass better than Rhino, within those songs.....Case in point, Oh Baby. Alan hits the notes on the bass in time, thus creating that driving sound that the song needs....Fast forward 5 months and CQ put Oh Baby in their set. Rhino was playing it very lazy and slowed the bass line down, thus taking the drive out of the song and making it flat. Another one is Living On An Island. Alan plays a majestic, well written and soulful bass line. Rhino never plays that bass line. Down Down is another Rhino never plays correctly like Alan. I read a post on the other forum, saying if we closed our eyes, we wouldn't notice the difference between the two. Erm, yes we would! We're not stupid!
People think I have this issue because of the people in the band....It's not personal. It's the fact the playing and music has not been as good since 1984. Although, it's hard not to have an issue with Francis Rossi. He says one thing one minute, than contradicts himself the next minute.
[/quote But on songs like ,Big Fat Mama I think Rhino gets the nod. To use your phrase about giving the song the drive it needs, the bit after the quiet build up before the "I got a Big Fat Mama" part when they are all going full pelt , Rhino drives this part much more than Alan does, in my opinion.
It depends really...I know on the recent reunion tours he drove it. The 76 live version he drove it when the "I got a Big Fat Mama part" came in on the vocals...Same with every version I heard after that. I agree, Rhino does drive that part nicely and makes it rock. But, notice how he doesn't play the little quiet parts that are played on guitar between Rick and Francis. Alan does. Alan also plays bass during that quiet part which is vital and Rhino doesn't.
It's not a knock on Rhino. He's a very good bass player but, it just highlights how important Alan was to Quo and the music. Unspoken Words, A Year, Lonely Man, 4500 Times, LOAI, Down Down, RnR, BFM, Dirty Water, Mystery Song, to name a few, are all great bass lines that Rhino either can't play or won't play for some reason(I know Rhino never played LM, A Year or UW)
And by the same token, Rhino has never come up with a bass line on an album, anywhere near as good as the ones Alan came up with. Rhino's all sound very samey and what you'd expect from a typical bass player. Maybe this is his own doing? Or, it could be Francis telling him to do these bass lines because, Francis recently admitted he tried to get Alan to play bass like The Eagles but, Alan wasn't having any of it....That to me added to the magic of the songs.
And just to add, Down Down should really be a song Rhino learned. I can't believe he's never played the bass line in that correctly.
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Post by taximan2002 on Feb 9, 2017 15:23:03 GMT
I really get the impression that Dave Ling was trying to get Spud to bad mouth Francis Rossi. He's way above doing anything like that...
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Post by freewilly on Feb 9, 2017 15:36:37 GMT
I really get the impression that Dave Ling was trying to get Spud to bad mouth Francis Rossi. He's way above doing anything like that... Yeah true.
Although, he's had a dig or two at him in the past and quite recently too....Then again, Francis has had a sly dig at him in many interviews and ripped the piss out of him for looking "moody"...It's not nice tbh...We know what we know. Only Rick, Andy, Bob, Alan, Pete and Spud will ever know. None of us will ever get the full story. Especially not now sadly.
I was watching the Dublin DVD the other night and when BFM comes out of the quiet middle part, Francis is seen letting loose, head bopping, in front of the drum kit, shouting "YESSSSSS!!" ....Reminded me of photos and footage from the 70's....But, then he'd come out in an interview saying he didn't enjoy it or that it wasn't up to much.....He's colourful if nowt else
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Post by taximan2002 on Feb 9, 2017 15:48:14 GMT
I really get the impression that Dave Ling was trying to get Spud to bad mouth Francis Rossi. He's way above doing anything like that... Yeah true.
Although, he's had a dig or two at him in the past and quite recently too....Then again, Francis has had a sly dig at him in many interviews and ripped the piss out of him for looking "moody"...It's not nice tbh...We know what we know. Only Rick, Andy, Bob, Alan, Pete and Spud will ever know. None of us will ever get the full story. Especially not now sadly.
I was watching the Dublin DVD the other night and when BFM comes out of the quiet middle part, Francis is seen letting loose, head bopping, in front of the drum kit, shouting "YESSSSSS!!" ....Reminded me of photos and footage from the 70's....But, then he'd come out in an interview saying he didn't enjoy it or that it wasn't up to much.....He's colourful if nowt else
I don't believe that he didn't enjoy it, especially on stage. You just need to look at his face to see he was in his element. Maybe he didn't enjoy the off stage stuff that was going on and it took him back to what went wrong in late 70's and early 80's. We all get older and change...
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Post by freewilly on Feb 9, 2017 15:52:20 GMT
Yeah true.
Although, he's had a dig or two at him in the past and quite recently too....Then again, Francis has had a sly dig at him in many interviews and ripped the piss out of him for looking "moody"...It's not nice tbh...We know what we know. Only Rick, Andy, Bob, Alan, Pete and Spud will ever know. None of us will ever get the full story. Especially not now sadly.
I was watching the Dublin DVD the other night and when BFM comes out of the quiet middle part, Francis is seen letting loose, head bopping, in front of the drum kit, shouting "YESSSSSS!!" ....Reminded me of photos and footage from the 70's....But, then he'd come out in an interview saying he didn't enjoy it or that it wasn't up to much.....He's colourful if nowt else
I don't believe that he didn't enjoy it, especially on stage. You just need to look at his face to see he was in his element. Maybe he didn't enjoy the off stage stuff that was going on and it took him back to what went wrong in late 70's and early 80's. We all get older and change... I don't believe there was any cocaine been done on those tours
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 9, 2017 16:02:18 GMT
I don't believe that he didn't enjoy it, especially on stage. You just need to look at his face to see he was in his element. Maybe he didn't enjoy the off stage stuff that was going on and it took him back to what went wrong in late 70's and early 80's. We all get older and change... I don't believe there was any cocaine been done on those tours Plenty of drink though.
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Post by freewilly on Feb 9, 2017 16:27:59 GMT
I don't believe there was any cocaine been done on those tours Plenty of drink though. We can safely assume that was Rick and John Alan never looked like much of a drinker tbh and Francis is tee total
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 16:35:50 GMT
No offence but, what hell are Francis' Quo without Rick, Alan and John then?
A tribute band, that plays a repertoire of a band it isn't and never was. And whilst I have this feeling a usual suspect or two are going to clamour in with the usual "It's still the same Quo as the 70s" and "You're always having a go at Francis" I'm afraid I'm sticking to my view.*
*Last sentence wasn't aimed at you
For me and this is just my opinon re band members. It comes down to length of time in a band and how much new material they have released. Andy has been in Quo since 1976 and recorded 18 original studio albums with the band, Rhino has recorded 10 with them. When you record with a band and write you become a member to me. Like David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes were members of Deep Purple, in spite of the Ian Gillan, Roger Glover era being better. Now again for me when a band is releasing new material it cannot be a tribute band. If the band had not recorded new albums like Slade. Then I would consider them a tribute band as I do with the current Slade lineup. That's not a dig it's just that for me a band records new records and tours. So for me Quo are now a 3 piece band with 1 guest and a hired hand. Until 2013 Quo were a 5 Piece and when Matt left became a 4 piece. Leon has recorded with Quo but I don't class the Aquostic albums as proper albums they are self covers albums. Slade II did record one album of original material "Keep On Rockin'" mostly penned by Dave Hill not long after they went back on the road and actually most of the tracks weren't bad and pretty well produced. Great, exuberant lead guitar as you'd expect from Dave and pounding drums from Don, just sadly lacking that irreplaceable sound of Nod on vocals.
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 9, 2017 18:34:41 GMT
I really get the impression that Dave Ling was trying to get Spud to bad mouth Francis Rossi. He's way above doing anything like that... Have you seen JCQ live ? I've seen 4 gigs and he's said something negative at nearly all of them. (from 2013 - date). Nothing to do with being provoked by anyone else.
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Post by americanquo on Feb 9, 2017 18:44:19 GMT
On a fan level I am inclined to agree. But it's a bit like the FF shows --- some people were annoyed because they thought the first run were gonig to be the ones and onlies, and then there was another lot. But spoilsports like me thought that was a good thing Yes I've been grollied around by certain bands, NNNPD, not announcing gigs till people have booked other gigs, but not Quo - I've never been to a Quo gig just because I thought it would be the last one, so they've never ruffled my feathers on that front. Most people who go to Quo gigs are generally happy to see them coming round again. Face it, they have a track record on that front, across decades and what is it three different managers now? I do think there is a touch of dodgy marketing there. But they haven't yet announced a "Return of the Electrics" tour in the UK The main reason for stopping at the end of 2017 - Rick's health problems - suddenly turned into something completely different Sorry John, no offense but JC's Quo is a tribute band. It plays the repertoire of a band that it isn't, solely. He says that is what it does. I see no dishonour in that, I like tribute bands, they are in a way something I hoped for from a young age. But some people are sneery about them, so it must be galling to him to be considered a trib when he is an original member. "How can I be a tribute to myself?" Er ... Why not? It's not a tribute to himself, anyway, it's a tribute to the material and the original band. It's no more a tribute band than Francis Rossi's Quo. Two bands with an original member of Status Quo trading on that name & mostly playing material from the '70s. Having said that, I'm sure there are some tribute bands out there who probably consider they do a better job than either JC's Quo or FR's Quo! Completely true. There are now two equivalent Quos. But only one that harkens back to the sound of the old days. Nor is my conclusion based on sentiment. I've only heard of them two years ago.
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Post by madtom on Feb 9, 2017 18:51:50 GMT
I really get the impression that Dave Ling was trying to get Spud to bad mouth Francis Rossi. He's way above doing anything like that... Have you seen JCQ live ? I've seen 4 gigs and he's said something negative at nearly all of them. (from 2013 - date). Nothing to do with being provoked by anyone else. TBF to John though, I'd say he has more grounds to be negative about Francis than vice versa and anything he says at JCQ gigs is heard by relatively few people. Francis, on the other hand, has been negative about John to a much, much wider audience.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Feb 9, 2017 18:53:53 GMT
I really get the impression that Dave Ling was trying to get Spud to bad mouth Francis Rossi. He's way above doing anything like that... Have you seen JCQ live ? I've seen 4 gigs and he's said something negative at nearly all of them. (from 2013 - date). Nothing to do with being provoked by anyone else. When I saw them back in 1998 in my local town. He had a dig at both Francis and Rick, so it was nothing really new.
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Post by taximan2002 on Feb 9, 2017 18:58:03 GMT
I really get the impression that Dave Ling was trying to get Spud to bad mouth Francis Rossi. He's way above doing anything like that... Have you seen JCQ live ? I've seen 4 gigs and he's said something negative at nearly all of them. (from 2013 - date). Nothing to do with being provoked by anyone else. No, I haven't, unfortunately they don't really come to Glasgow. Saying something negative at a small gig is very different to bad mouthing someone in a national publication though...
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 9, 2017 19:10:20 GMT
I concur with all your points taximan2002, The Lord Flasheart and madtomI was simply pointing out that John's digs were not provoked by Dave Ling. And yes, he only said this at small gigs previously. Its not great that he has now to put them in print, but I guess emotions are raw in the light of Rick's recent demise.
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