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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 19:02:56 GMT
The negative reception of AQ2 and short time in the charts has started me off thinking (dangerous I know! ).....
Hi All, Viv, I am not sure the Aquostic was targeted at any specific set of Quo fans it was just another string to their bow as the band had really just about done everything possible as far as the management was concerned. As you know Francis at the Roundhouse interview questions said that fans have no influence on material so I imagine that would be across the board.
Aquostic may have been successful simply because many fans thought I'll try that! I am certain there are fans who bought it who will not admit to liking it for what it is just a different take on Quo's music. Personally like you I think it was a novelty for the most and I accept it for what it is, also like yourself I would have just preferred guitars rather than everything and the kitchen sink being added but it was what it was.
The sales of the 1st album and the subsequent dismal In/Out chart sales of the 2nd prove that Aquostic was that novelty. Quo's management definitely viewed the reunion tour in a similar fashion and got the shock of their lives when the fans didn't, being forced into a counter offence of promoting their cash cow CQ instead of embracing it for the phenomenon it was.
For a management that are all about making money they blew it big time and they know, in my mind that's why they went with AQ2 to try and recoup some money back as they thought AQ was proof of their strategy as the way of going forward and they have blown it for a second time.
As for an answer to your question I really think they would have just fumbled on possibly with the band beginning the wind up earlier as the lack of new material obviously would have been reached earlier as well. Either that or it's just down to arrogance thinking that all fans will just accept any old shit whether that's down to Francis or the management only the band know the truth...
Geoff.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Nov 23, 2016 8:22:11 GMT
Nope. I walked into the Manchester Apollo on the 13th of March 2013, thinking that there was no way a band, that hadn't toured since 1981, would be in any way be better than the tight, slick and polished unit that was Francis Rossi's band. By the end of Junior's Wailing, in my gobsmacked state of mind, I was done with CQ. It's never been the same since. For example, I used to buy every Quo release on the morning they came out. I still do and done that for the original line up but, it took me over a month to buy the Bula Quo album and I won't buy any of the acoustic stuff. It really is incredible to think that Queen played MK in 1982 and had a much smaller crowd than Quo had in the same venue, in 1984...And then Queen go on to be the biggest band in the world by 1986 and a version of Qup are back and are on the verge of a massive decline But alas, back on the topic, from my point of view, the reunion opened my eyes to the lies the present line up have been feeding us. It opened my eyes to the general awfulness of some projects and music the current line up produced. It opened my eyes to the lack of dynamics and enthusiasm the current line up put into their shows, over the last 9 years. It made me lose interest in the current line up Very similar to me, I was nervous that it would be under rehearsed and....not good. it probably was under rehearsed, but god it was bloody good, with 2014 miles better again imo - a euphoric high I'll never forget The film burst my bubble, followed by the (for me) awful A1/2. I've not bought a2, and it's the first thing I've not bought on the first day of release since NTL. I've now missed two winter tours, and doing so feels right. I think I missed the TW tour (lack of money, nothing else) but otherwise have done one or two gigs every tour since 86, and sometimes also a summer gig. So for me, interest in CQ has massively diminished, as everything seemed anti-climatic or just cringeworthy ever since. And perhaps Francis knows this, so is pulling opposite. I think interest in CQ has fallen amongst the active hardcore of what was CQ prior to 2013. I think it's rekindled interest in some of the former hardcore of the 70's and 80's. My love for the bands best music will always remain undiminished. There's old Quo fans I know who didn't even know about the reunions, and I suspect they are the largest group of all
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Post by curiousgirl on Nov 23, 2016 9:33:33 GMT
I'm glad you say that there are old hardcore fans who didn't know about the reunions MrWaistcoat. We met one in 2014 who knew nothing about 2013. And I don't think they were that well advertised. I discovered them from hanging out on Quo msg boards but I would never have found out otherwise.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Nov 23, 2016 10:01:53 GMT
I'm glad you say that there are old hardcore fans who didn't know about the reunions MrWaistcoat . We met one in 2014 who knew nothing about 2013. And I don't think they were that well advertised. I discovered them from hanging out on Quo msg boards but I would never have found out otherwise. Definitely. Lots of the older fans don't even have a pc, and even though most people have smart phones now, how many of them even know there are Quo message boards in cyberspace? Most people have never been on any message board. I would also guess that most people who do or have used a MB would only do so for one topic. I've never registered on any non-Quo board, and I don't look at FB. It will have needed adverts in the tabloids to get the word out, and I'm fairly sure there wasn't one. It's a shame that the only newspaper references to the reunions took place after the tours, not before. There will be some gutted former diehards out there who know they missed it, and many more besides who remain unaware. Based on the ages of the fans at the reunions (age 40-65 being 90% from what I could make out) I don't think Quo made any significant inroads into winning new fans...
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Post by johnnymain on Nov 23, 2016 12:54:47 GMT
I'm glad you say that there are old hardcore fans who didn't know about the reunions MrWaistcoat . We met one in 2014 who knew nothing about 2013. And I don't think they were that well advertised. I discovered them from hanging out on Quo msg boards but I would never have found out otherwise. ... It will have needed adverts in the tabloids to get the word out, and I'm fairly sure there wasn't one. It's a shame that the only newspaper references to the reunions took place after the tours, not before ... There were adverts for both reunion tours published in local and national newspapers, as well as flyers and a poster campaign.
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Post by granny on Nov 23, 2016 13:28:01 GMT
I'm glad you say that there are old hardcore fans who didn't know about the reunions MrWaistcoat . We met one in 2014 who knew nothing about 2013. And I don't think they were that well advertised. I discovered them from hanging out on Quo msg boards but I would never have found out otherwise. I recruited people to both FF tours to Wolverhampton Civic. These were men who had been Quo fans in their youth but had not been to any kind of gig (Quo or other) for many years as other commitments had filled up their lives. If I hadn't spoken to them the gigs would have completely passed them by. Two of them also went to the Aquostic gig in W/ton after I had told them about it. None of them however have gone to any other gigs since. The only thing Quo-related that has registered with them is the fact that Rick has been ill and left the band.
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Post by madtom on Nov 23, 2016 13:49:24 GMT
I only knew about the two tours through Ricky's board. And I only found Ricky's board through Google after a BBC news item about the Shepperton reunion aroused my interest in the band again.
I certainly didn't see the gigs advertised anywhere and am pretty sure that I'd have been oblivious to them had I not seen that news report in 2012.
I agree with others that there were and probably still are many lapsed fans unaware of the reunion gigs.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Nov 23, 2016 13:59:50 GMT
I only knew about the two tours through Ricky's board. And I only found Ricky's board through Google after a BBC news item about the Shepperton reunion aroused my interest in the band again. I certainly didn't see the gigs advertised anywhere and am pretty sure that I'd have been oblivious to them had I not seen that news report in 2012. I agree with others that there were and probably still are many lapsed fans unaware of the reunion gigs. I thought Ricky's board only opened after the official board closed down?
And that was after the Bula Quo backlash, which was even more vehement, coming as it did so soon after the first FF tour.
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Post by madtom on Nov 23, 2016 14:26:27 GMT
I only knew about the two tours through Ricky's board. And I only found Ricky's board through Google after a BBC news item about the Shepperton reunion aroused my interest in the band again. I certainly didn't see the gigs advertised anywhere and am pretty sure that I'd have been oblivious to them had I not seen that news report in 2012. I agree with others that there were and probably still are many lapsed fans unaware of the reunion gigs. I thought Ricky's board only opened after the official board closed down?
And that was after the Bula Quo backlash, which was even more vehement, coming as it did so soon after the first FF tour.
Maybe it was the official MB then. Just checked back through my emails and I joined Ricky's board in November 2013, although I had been looking at it and the official one (of which I wasn't a member) for quite some time before that.
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Post by wolfman on Nov 23, 2016 16:26:43 GMT
I thought Ricky's board only opened after the official board closed down?
And that was after the Bula Quo backlash, which was even more vehement, coming as it did so soon after the first FF tour.
Maybe it was the official MB then. Just checked back through my emails and I joined Ricky's board in November 2013, although I had been looking at it and the official one (of which I wasn't a member) for quite some time before that. yeap the bula quo n jimmy Saville backlash was the last straw for the official board..
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Post by vivfromcov on Nov 24, 2016 0:48:59 GMT
I'm glad you say that there are old hardcore fans who didn't know about the reunions MrWaistcoat . We met one in 2014 who knew nothing about 2013. And I don't think they were that well advertised. I discovered them from hanging out on Quo msg boards but I would never have found out otherwise. Definitely. Lots of the older fans don't even have a pc, and even though most people have smart phones now, how many of them even know there are Quo message boards in cyberspace? Most people have never been on any message board. I would also guess that most people who do or have used a MB would only do so for one topic. I've never registered on any non-Quo board, and I don't look at FB. It will have needed adverts in the tabloids to get the word out, and I'm fairly sure there wasn't one. It's a shame that the only newspaper references to the reunions took place after the tours, not before. There will be some gutted former diehards out there who know they missed it, and many more besides who remain unaware. Based on the ages of the fans at the reunions (age 40-65 being 90% from what I could make out) I don't think Quo made any significant inroads into winning new fans... As johnnymain said, there were some ads. in newspapers, station posters, absolute radio and planet rock, but it was very limited. Nothing like the coverage that Bula and Aquostic got and sadly, deliberately so imo. They had to protect the brand status quo to allow them to wring out the maximum amount of income from the last few years available. Yes they did well from the reunion but downplaying it was crucial to the SQ business plan. Shame they lost all that money earlier in their careers. Maybe, just maybe if they'd been more financially secure, they could have reunited for a few dates a year for the love of the music and their fans, rather than killing themselves, constantly touring.
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