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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 27, 2016 20:54:19 GMT
Not everyone wanted the FF to get back together let alone continue. Some of the comments posted after the gigs were along the lines of "hated it. I don't think it was a case of 'hated it', there were some (like myself) who saw the 'FF' many times back in the 70's who REMEMBER the energy and balls out playing from that time. Personally, on seeing the re-formed band at Hammersmith on the first reunion tour there was honestly no comparison . Yes, the band played what everyone wanted to hear, yes it was good to see them back together again, BUT there was very little real energy and virtually no chemistry between them on stage, add to that some of the playing was pretty lousy as well.
Granted I enjoyed the gig BUT what actually tipped it over the edge and made it memorable was the audience reaction, far better than any current Quo gig I've ever been to and in many ways it gave the 70's audiences a run for their money.
Don't get me wrong it was a good gig, just not anywhere near as good a gig as they used to play back in the day.
That was my experience of it, but I think I got more of the energy and the chemistry than you are describing BillyBragg. It was a funny old chemistry; I thought, we are all old guys/gals now. Alan made it for me. I guess it meant more to him than to anyone. And I was seeing Francis playing the guitar again like a serious guitar player. It made me happy that it made such a lot of lifetime Quo fans happy too. I was of course upstairs in the seats, watching much of the gig under someone's elbow. I have a lot of good peering-through-gaps memories of gigs. There were many happy cardis up there too. This is what Quo can do.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 27, 2016 20:55:14 GMT
PS Original poster ... good question, but he's a Gemini! It's not like he never told us.
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Post by dennis on Oct 28, 2016 20:14:45 GMT
Yeah, there's a reason it was lousy..... "Hey Adam, Larry and The Edge, let's go on tour for a few months and let's rehearse, in private and on stage, for 8 weeks" Compared to.... "Alright Spud, Nuff, Rick....Let's get these gigs out of the way now ffs. Rehearse for 12 days. No arguments" "Ha erm OK but, Francis..." "Oh that's it!! I've had enough!!!" There was also tons of energy and chemistry in comparison to a CQ gig. I don't mean to be speaking down to you here but, in the grand scheme of things, drop the rose tinted glasses in relation to CQ I can only assume you didn't read my post properly, I didn't say the gig was 'lousy', just SOME of the playing, by no means all of it.
The main difference between the gigs I went to in the 70's was in those days the energy was coming from the stage, the reunion gig I went to at Hammersmith the energy was coming from the audience.
Again, it was a good gig, just not the best I've seen that particular line up play.
After a gap of over 30 years & quite limited preparation it was always going to be rather rough, but I believe it was the natural chemistry between the four of them that helped them get through it - especially on the first reunion tour. Less energy coming from the stage was surely completely unsurprising, considering how much older these guys are. Mind you, I still think a few other bands would have struggled to keep up with them - despite how sedate they had become!
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 28, 2016 21:42:33 GMT
re: the amount of energy from the band at the reunion gigs. No they weren't haring around like they did in the 70s/80s but the intensity of their playing compensated for it for me. I guess we all experience it differently. I thought it was going to be far worse than it was. That first one in 2013. That was my worry. How would it work if they were all going to be fairly static. But the sound simply blew me away and it didn't matter. And the fans went wild. As to thread header Q. I'm with Mrs Flittersnoop. He's a Gemini. My serious answer is he's changed his tastes as he's aged and become successful enough to please himself more in later life.
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Post by freewilly on Oct 28, 2016 21:50:49 GMT
re: the amount of energy from the band at the reunion gigs. No they weren't haring around like they did in the 70s/80s but the intensity of their playing compensated for it for me. I guess we all experience it differently. I thought it was going to be far worse than it was. That first one in 2013. That was my worry. How would it work if they were all going to be fairly static. But the sound simply blew me away and it didn't matter. And the fans went wild. As to thread header Q. I'm with Mrs Flittersnoop. He's a Gemini. My serious answer is he's changed his tastes as he's aged and become successful enough to please himself more in later life. I still don't understand why, when he was a teenager, did he try and force Alan out of the band? He's a very cowardly person is Francis...Writing letters of dismissal to Pat Barlow and Alan, washing his hands off JC, letting Bob Young fall out with him etc
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 28, 2016 21:56:41 GMT
re: the amount of energy from the band at the reunion gigs. No they weren't haring around like they did in the 70s/80s but the intensity of their playing compensated for it for me. I guess we all experience it differently. I thought it was going to be far worse than it was. That first one in 2013. That was my worry. How would it work if they were all going to be fairly static. But the sound simply blew me away and it didn't matter. And the fans went wild. As to thread header Q. I'm with Mrs Flittersnoop. He's a Gemini. My serious answer is he's changed his tastes as he's aged and become successful enough to please himself more in later life. I still don't understand why, when he was a teenager, did he try and force Alan out of the band? He's a very cowardly person is Francis...Writing letters of dismissal to Pat Barlow and Alan, washing his hands off JC, letting Bob Young fall out with him etc I hadn't heard that FW. Only in 84. I remember around the time of Hello Quo both FR and RP saying that now the fans would know the truth about the split. And I was quite underwhelmed by the revelation which was that their manager had written an official letter to Alan to say that he was out of the band. And Francis openly saying he didn't want to work with him any more. My memory of the fallout with Bob Young was that they were both told lies about what they'd each said about the other, to get Bob out of the band. And this wasn't about music but about controlling the money. Francis has always said they couldn't have got passed Bob and that is why he was manoeuvred out of the way.
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Post by freewilly on Oct 28, 2016 22:00:34 GMT
I still don't understand why, when he was a teenager, did he try and force Alan out of the band? He's a very cowardly person is Francis...Writing letters of dismissal to Pat Barlow and Alan, washing his hands off JC, letting Bob Young fall out with him etc I hadn't heard that FW. Only in 84. I remember around the time of Hello Quo both FR and RP saying that now the fans would know the truth about the split. And I was quite underwhelmed by the revelation which was that their manager had written an official letter to Alan to say that he was out of the band. And Francis openly saying he didn't want to work with him any more. My memory of the fallout with Bob Young was that they were both told lies about what they'd each said about the other, to get Bob out of the band. And this wasn't about music but about controlling the money. Francis has always said they couldn't have got passed Bob and that is why he was manoeuvred out of the way. I remember the morning the FF reunion shows were announced in 2012. Hello Quo just came through the letter box etc... I couldn't even tell you how excited I was. Incredible times...But anyways, I watched the documentary and when Alan said he received a letter from Francis, that was the moment my jaw dropped. I lost so much respect for him that morning and even today, it's sadly at rock bottom
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Post by wolfman on Oct 28, 2016 22:03:22 GMT
IM JUST HANGING ON FOR DAVY TO SAY WALLOPER...THEN I CAN GO TO BED........
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 28, 2016 22:12:42 GMT
I hadn't heard that FW. Only in 84. I remember around the time of Hello Quo both FR and RP saying that now the fans would know the truth about the split. And I was quite underwhelmed by the revelation which was that their manager had written an official letter to Alan to say that he was out of the band. And Francis openly saying he didn't want to work with him any more. My memory of the fallout with Bob Young was that they were both told lies about what they'd each said about the other, to get Bob out of the band. And this wasn't about music but about controlling the money. Francis has always said they couldn't have got passed Bob and that is why he was manoeuvred out of the way. I remember the morning the FF reunion shows were announced in 2012. Hello Quo just came through the letter box etc... I couldn't even tell you how excited I was. Incredible times...But anyways, I watched the documentary and when Alan said he received a letter from Francis, that was the moment my jaw dropped. I lost so much respect for him that morning and even today, it's sadly at rock bottom Thanks. I've finally got my own copy and I'll check that out again.
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Post by curiousgirl on Oct 28, 2016 22:15:48 GMT
PS. I was very upset about FR on that final fling documentary and his refusal to do any more. I think that's when the scales fell from my eyes. But now, I'm a bit more 'whatever'. And put on the albums I love.
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Post by quomaster on Oct 28, 2016 23:52:10 GMT
PS Original poster ... good question, but he's a Gemini! It's not like he never told us. Good point - nobody is answering the original question but rehashing the same old argument. There is no doubt something has changed in Rossi's personality over the years - but it does happen to many of us as we age. It could be due to life experience, drug taking, alcohol, early dementia....anything. He keeps naming the "insecure little showoff" as another person. Only Francis knows deep down how he thinks. From the outside many just wish it was the same old "Frame". And this is the crux of what I keep saying - things change and people don't think the same as they did 40 years ago. It is nothing unusual in bands - look at the bands still around from the 60's : The Who, Stones, Kinks and many not still going around, full of personality clashes and bustups. You always think "why? - why change such a great band?" It's the same with any relationship. None of us know what it is really like which is why I don't care for many of the presumptions made on here. We can't keep Quo together - only the guys in that bubble can and only if they want to.
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