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Post by Railroad17 on Jul 10, 2016 10:28:10 GMT
do you do one in grey? Next time you get all technical about football, you can expect a kagoul  'you can expect a kagoul' Mentioning kagoul in an anorak post entitles you to one of these  |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 10, 2016 10:37:45 GMT
People still wear kagouls? Those blue plastic ones??
I never knew that you could "try" an electric by seeing how it sounded when swtiched off. I always thought the pickups were the main factor (as long as the guitar itself is stable. Ish.) What makes the difference when it's not plugged in, then? Fascinating.
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Post by madtom on Jul 10, 2016 12:08:46 GMT
People still wear kagouls? Those blue plastic ones?? I never knew that you could "try" an electric by seeing how it sounded when swtiched off. I always thought the pickups were the main factor (as long as the guitar itself is stable. Ish.) What makes the difference when it's not plugged in, then? Fascinating. Sustain. |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 10, 2016 12:12:57 GMT
People still wear kagouls? Those blue plastic ones?? I never knew that you could "try" an electric by seeing how it sounded when swtiched off. I always thought the pickups were the main factor (as long as the guitar itself is stable. Ish.) What makes the difference when it's not plugged in, then? Fascinating. Sustain. How does it create the sustain without the electronics? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 16:51:49 GMT
That guitar is a pretty colour  If I had a large country kitchen I would have my Aga and units in that shade to compliment the stone floor |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 10, 2016 17:21:35 GMT
How does it create the sustain without the electronics? Strings ideally will sustain a very long time if the thing that connects the two fixed ends of the string is rigid. But the wood of the neck and the wood of the body aren't rigid and soak up the strings' energy. A good guitar (sustain-wise) will do this to a minimum. (Note that you might actually want this interference - as sometimes you get resonant frequencies in the neck and body that give a guitar a certain tone - but this is somewhat masked once you've amplified the guitar). Sometimes the resonant frequencies in the neck differ from those in the body and they fight one another killing the sustain - the best sustain I ever heard is in a Dana Scoop (see pic) - the big gouge below the neck stops the two parts fighting. It goes on for weeks. Another good sustainer (IME) is the Parker Fly, which has a very rigid neck. As I understand it - the pickups can't enhance the string vibration - the magnetic field can only dampen the strings. The strings disturb the pickups' magnetic fields and induce a current in the pickup windings. So effectively the pickups suck energy out of the strings; so sustain ought to be better without plugging in. The plugged-in exception is if you play loud enough the noise coming out of the amplifier's speakers can wobble the strings - which gives sustained feedback. Any coats to add Railroad? Thank you Gates. That goes way beyond "it's anchored to something nice and solid." I recall someone long long ago praising guitars that were "flexible" to me, though I can't remember exactly what he said about the tone - this was specifically to do with telecasters (not referring to the bolted in neck, but to the wood. Even I know that wobbly necks are not a good idea). And Fenders being less rigid that Gibson Les Pauls (which even look solid). That is about the extent of my knowledge. (The stuff about pickups meant roughly what you said - i don't think I could have said that, but I know that the pickups are sending the signal to the amp and creating noise which can cause feedback of all kinds, desirable and undesirable. Attaining desirable feedback remains one of guitar theory's great mysteries to me.) |
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Post by threechordboogie on Jul 10, 2016 18:53:49 GMT
Don't think for a minute Gary meant any offence to Francis.I'm sure their paths must have crossed many times over the years. Sounds like he was digging him out to me.The word 'even' is the clue. " I can do all that now. I couldn't do it before... even Francis Rossi can do that." A dig at himself, as much as a slight on Rossi. |
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Post by madtom on Jul 11, 2016 0:28:01 GMT
How does it create the sustain without the electronics? Forget what the anoraks above have posted. This documentary from the 80s provides a definitive explanation of sustain... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 7:58:22 GMT
I remember reading somewhere shortly after Gary had passed away, that he had been due to record in Francis studio a few weeks later. Add to that the praise he got from Francis, I assume they got on well and it was indeed a good-natured joke, he probably expected to get returned a few weeks later. Sadly it never came to that ..
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 19, 2021 22:05:00 GMT
Strings ideally will sustain a very long time if the thing that connects the two fixed ends of the string is rigid. But the wood of the neck and the wood of the body aren't rigid and soak up the strings' energy. A good guitar (sustain-wise) will do this to a minimum. (Note that you might actually want this interference - as sometimes you get resonant frequencies in the neck and body that give a guitar a certain tone - but this is somewhat masked once you've amplified the guitar). Sometimes the resonant frequencies in the neck differ from those in the body and they fight one another killing the sustain - the best sustain I ever heard is in a Dana Scoop (see pic) - the big gouge below the neck stops the two parts fighting. It goes on for weeks. Another good sustainer (IME) is the Parker Fly, which has a very rigid neck. As I understand it - the pickups can't enhance the string vibration - the magnetic field can only dampen the strings. The strings disturb the pickups' magnetic fields and induce a current in the pickup windings. So effectively the pickups suck energy out of the strings; so sustain ought to be better without plugging in. The plugged-in exception is if you play loud enough the noise coming out of the amplifier's speakers can wobble the strings - which gives sustained feedback. Any coats to add Railroad? Thank you Gates. That goes way beyond "it's anchored to something nice and solid." I recall someone long long ago praising guitars that were "flexible" to me, though I can't remember exactly what he said about the tone - this was specifically to do with telecasters (not referring to the bolted in neck, but to the wood. Even I know that wobbly necks are not a good idea). And Fenders being less rigid that Gibson Les Pauls (which even look solid). That is about the extent of my knowledge. (The stuff about pickups meant roughly what you said - i don't think I could have said that, but I know that the pickups are sending the signal to the amp and creating noise which can cause feedback of all kinds, desirable and undesirable. Attaining desirable feedback remains one of guitar theory's great mysteries to me.) Gary was a master at it, as proved in every live version of "Parisienne Walkways". |
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jan 20, 2021 11:33:05 GMT
Remember Francis making what I thought was a dig at GM after his success with still got the blues
Some comment about how he's never namechecked stacks of obscure black blues players ,but it goes well for you if you do,as Gary Moore is finding out
I thought it was a dig at the time but now I think I was wrong and all was very good between them. The Lizzy & Quo camp seemed to generate positive vibes and friendships
Ireland beat England when it comes to blues rock players
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Post by freewilly on Jan 20, 2021 11:50:22 GMT
Remember Francis making what I thought was a dig at GM after his success with still got the blues Some comment about how he's never namechecked stacks of obscure black blues players ,but it goes well for you if you do,as Gary Moore is finding out I thought it was a dig at the time but now I think I was wrong and all was very good between them. The Lizzy & Quo camp seemed to generate positive vibes and friendships Ireland beat England when it comes to blues rock players Probably because us Irish are all miserable and pessimistic. We always think the worst. Songs I've written that I'm going to record, they're all about lost love and yearning to be loved and how miserable it is not being loved. There's even a blues one about drinking your misery away. It's a fascinating trait we have I gotta say Even our poets are miserable and melancholic! It's wonderful  |
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 20, 2021 11:52:22 GMT
Remember Francis making what I thought was a dig at GM after his success with still got the blues Some comment about how he's never namechecked stacks of obscure black blues players ,but it goes well for you if you do,as Gary Moore is finding out I thought it was a dig at the time but now I think I was wrong and all was very good between them. The Lizzy & Quo camp seemed to generate positive vibes and friendships Ireland beat England when it comes to blues rock players It’s not my bag as they say. But England didn’t do too badly in Mr Page, Mr Green and Mr Clapton. |
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Post by freewilly on Jan 20, 2021 12:11:38 GMT
Remember Francis making what I thought was a dig at GM after his success with still got the blues Some comment about how he's never namechecked stacks of obscure black blues players ,but it goes well for you if you do,as Gary Moore is finding out I thought it was a dig at the time but now I think I was wrong and all was very good between them. The Lizzy & Quo camp seemed to generate positive vibes and friendships Ireland beat England when it comes to blues rock players It’s not my bag as they say. But England didn’t too badly in Mr Page, Mr Green and Mr Clapton. Peter Green is just a nonsense! Sublime! |
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Post by blagult on Jan 20, 2021 12:25:11 GMT
Rory Gallagher worshipped Peter Green. He has said it in numerous interviews.
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If I had a large country kitchen I would have my Aga and units in that shade to compliment the stone floor 
