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Post by freewilly on Mar 21, 2016 21:53:51 GMT
Whoppa Choppa brought this to my attention.... Francis in the XS autobiography: "Alan had brought in this bluesy shuffle called 'Junior's wailing' (written by a London band called Steamhammer) that he suggested we do, and that kind of set the template for the new blues-rock sound we started to explore. I admit I wasn't sure at first...". Rick on "Rock on" radioshow 82: "I think the first track that brought about the initial change was Junior's wailing... Nuff came in with it actually, he suggested it, and I remember I never wanted to do it..." Taken from this website www.freewebs.com/quolive/So after all these years, after all those bullshit stories from Rick and Francis about being in a club in Germany and discovering Roadhouse Blues and they just knew they had to do this sort of music because the song turned them on so much, it turns out Alan was the one from who suggested and brought forward the change in style?! Rick and Francis vomit_100_107 ....I feel even more sorry for Alan and John |
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 21, 2016 22:34:16 GMT
Do you remember when they started telling the story about Roadhouse Blues and the club in Germany? It would make sense if they told this post the split. But then interesting that in a late and more recent biog - Francis goes back to what really happened. It is show biz FW. And that's why they spin their stories.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 21, 2016 22:44:31 GMT
Do you remember when they started telling the story about Roadhouse Blues and the club in Germany? It would make sense if they told this post the split. But then interesting that in a late and more recent biog - Francis goes back to what really happened. It is show biz FW. And that's why they spin their stories. I'm becoming of the opinion that Rossi and Parfitt are not nice people |
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Post by dennis on Mar 21, 2016 22:48:17 GMT
Aye, fw, but on your link John is quoted as saying: "...we had this pop direction and had hits like 'Pictures Of Matchstick Men' but when the hits starting drying, you have less hits you get less gigs, so Bob Young suggested we grew our hair, lost the flowery shirts, played boogie and reinvented ourselves. We did and it worked."
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 21, 2016 22:56:24 GMT
And that makes sense Dennis - cos it was Bob who co-wrote most of their shuffle/boogie hits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 8:01:16 GMT
As far as I know, Quo played Love Me Two Times at their German gigs in 1969, so they had probably heard of Roadhouse Blues by then.
In 1969/70, they toured their Spare Parts album, wearing jeans and looking scruffy. On that tour they played Bielefeld, too, where they allegedly met the legendary Gerd and Ulla.
Junior's Wailing was recorded for Ma Kelly's in 1970. That year, they had Junior's Wailing and Roadhouse Blues in their set.
I don't think anybody's "lying" on purpose here. Why should they? Some memories might fade, dates and times get mixed up over the years, and some people might remember things differently from how other people see them.
I don't believe for one second that Rick and Francis think that Status Quo has only ever been all about them and that John and Alan have never ever had any part in it whatsoever. That's nonsense. The same goes for songs and whose ideas they originally were.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 22, 2016 10:33:03 GMT
I must have read half a dozen different takes on how these songs came into the band, and they don't really contradict, they are just different viewpoints. Of course they "knew" Roadhouse Blues, who didn't? But seeing someone dance to it in a club, different angle, everyone has had ephph ephif eppy wake up moments like that with music.
As for "nice people", nobody is nice people when you get up close to them in stressed situations (like work, the music business, life etc.). It's taken me 50 years to learn that, and I'm still having difficulty knowing what to do with it.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 22, 2016 10:36:41 GMT
Aye, fw, but on your link John is quoted as saying: "...we had this pop direction and had hits like 'Pictures Of Matchstick Men' but when the hits starting drying, you have less hits you get less gigs, so Bob Young suggested we grew our hair, lost the flowery shirts, played boogie and reinvented ourselves. We did and it worked." They've always been great re-inventors. RAOTW was a serious re-invention, I noticed it at the time and I wasn't even a fan then. Some of their re-inventions have "worked" better than others. But it's just what they are. |
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Post by dennis on Mar 22, 2016 10:37:53 GMT
I must have read half a dozen different takes on how these songs came into the band, and they don't really contradict, they are just different viewpoints. Of course they "knew" Roadhouse Blues, who didn't? But seeing someone dance to it in a club, different angle, everyone has had ephph ephif eppy wake up moments like that with music. As for "nice people", nobody is nice people when you get up close to them in stressed situations (like work, the music business, life etc.). It's taken me 50 years to learn that, and I'm still having difficulty knowing what to do with it. I'm nice - a git, but nice  |
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Post by Gaz on Mar 22, 2016 10:43:54 GMT
Hey maybe we should be sitting cross legged with album under the arm discussing this. Way too hot for a trench coat here though. :-) T shirt n shorts for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 10:44:52 GMT
As far as I know, Quo played Love Me Two Times at their German gigs in 1969, so they had probably heard of Roadhouse Blues by then. In 1969/70, they toured their Spare Parts album, wearing jeans and looking scruffy. On that tour they played Bielefeld, too, where they allegedly met the legendary Gerd and Ulla. Junior's Wailing was recorded for Ma Kelly's in 1970. That year, they had Junior's Wailing and Roadhouse Blues in their set. I don't think anybody's "lying" on purpose here. Why should they? Some memories might fade, dates and times get mixed up over the years, and some people might remember things differently from how other people see them. I don't believe for one second that Rick and Francis think that Status Quo has only ever been all about them and that John and Alan have never ever had any part in it whatsoever. That's nonsense. The same goes for songs and whose ideas they originally were. I agree with most of that, but would question the last paragraph. Its impossible to know for sure exactly what was going on through years of haze and excesses, but I think that the new format Quo set off in 1986 with Francis and Rick thinking precisely that it was all about them. Rhino, Andy and Jeff Rich on board to thank, for making it possible for both of them to return to the limelight.
At this stage, at least, I find it hard unfortunately to believe they had any regard for Alan or John whatsoever.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 22, 2016 11:26:16 GMT
No, I doubt they did. Alan had just taken them to court. John had precipitated his own leaving. This is not the moment people become magnanimous, even if they have anything to be magnanimous with. At the time it was sink or swim for both Francis and Rick, personally professionally and financially. And all three of them were learning that nobody is expendable ... Francis turned out to be the least expendable, at that place and time, but it must have been a bit of an eye-opener for him too.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 22, 2016 11:31:59 GMT
I must have read half a dozen different takes on how these songs came into the band, and they don't really contradict, they are just different viewpoints. Of course they "knew" Roadhouse Blues, who didn't? But seeing someone dance to it in a club, different angle, everyone has had ephph ephif eppy wake up moments like that with music. As for "nice people", nobody is nice people when you get up close to them in stressed situations (like work, the music business, life etc.). It's taken me 50 years to learn that, and I'm still having difficulty knowing what to do with it. I'm nice - a git, but nice According to someone I knew at school, a git is a pregnant camel  But she tended to make things up. (I think she became a politician in the end.) |
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Post by dennis on Mar 22, 2016 11:43:11 GMT
I'm nice - a git, but nice According to someone I knew at school, a git is a pregnant camel But she tended to make things up. (I think she became a politician in the end.) One hump or two? |
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Mar 22, 2016 13:41:53 GMT
Whoppa Choppa brought this to my attention.... Francis in the XS autobiography: "Alan had brought in this bluesy shuffle called 'Junior's wailing' (written by a London band called Steamhammer) that he suggested we do, and that kind of set the template for the new blues-rock sound we started to explore. I admit I wasn't sure at first...". Rick on "Rock on" radioshow 82: "I think the first track that brought about the initial change was Junior's wailing... Nuff came in with it actually, he suggested it, and I remember I never wanted to do it..." Taken from this website www.freewebs.com/quolive/So after all these years, after all those bullshit stories from Rick and Francis about being in a club in Germany and discovering Roadhouse Blues and they just knew they had to do this sort of music because the song turned them on so much, it turns out Alan was the one from who suggested and brought forward the change in style?! Rick and Francis vomit_100_107 ....I feel even more sorry for Alan and John I agree with Inna. I don't it's a case of lying outright. Things often aren't black and white, there's usually a big grey area. I think in this case there was probably a number of things that happened, a number of key moments in the led up to the change of style. It just depends which part of the story you choose to tell. Of course if you've fallen out with someone and you're taking each other to court, you're obviously not going to big them up in interviews, that's human nature; you wouldn't do it and I wouldn't do it. You're not necessarily telling lies (although they could be, who knows), you're just conveying a different angle or different part of the story, and missing out the part you no longer want to tell. I think there almost certainly has been a 'different take' on a lot of things over the past 30 years (until the reconciliation with Alan), and that's perfectly understandable, if a little annoying to the person involved. I think they've been more willing to include Alan (and John, although they've been in touch with him for longer) in stories and interviews over the past 3 or 4 years. Alan was very bitter and derogatory to them as well (without wanting to start a debate about who started it and who did what to whom). XS All Areas was written in 2004 don't forget, so Francis was still willing to tell that part of the story then, before the reconcilliation. I'm sure the Roadhouse Blues Club story did happen. And even if it did come after the Juniors Wailing story, it probably still helped them to decide that was the direction they wanted to go in. As for them not being nice people; as Mrs F said, it's show business and that's what happens. I think in all work related or stressful situations, there's a time where hard decisions have to be made, or people say or do things they aren't very proud of. A lot of very successful business people (top managers etc) aren't very nice people. But on the other side; a lot of people in the music industry say that Quo are very nice people and are a joy to work with, unpretentious etc. Again I think it comes down to falling out with people (Alan & John), and very few people in the world show their best side when they've fallen out with someone. If you've fallen out with someone, you don't feel like you owe them any favours, and sometimes that includes the truth....that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person per se, just not a saint (and neither of them profess to be saint's)! |
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But she tended to make things up. (I think she became a politician in the end.)