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Post by cactuspete on Oct 10, 2024 18:06:30 GMT
Coghlan.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Oct 10, 2024 18:57:47 GMT
American drummer reacts
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Post by 37 on Oct 10, 2024 19:05:19 GMT
In my top 5 Quo songs. I loved it in 1972 and still love it now!
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Post by Gaz on Oct 12, 2024 9:26:40 GMT
My memory of seeing them in a theatre back in 75 is fantastic but to see them in a small venue as Marquee is/was would’ve been mind bending and guaranteed deafness for a week.
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Post by roadhouse on Oct 16, 2024 4:16:04 GMT
Is it just me or did it seem better before they became a "loveable institution"? Or am I just wallowing in nostalgia like some old bloke thinking 'fings ain't wot they used to be'? No I agree. Thinking about it, did they peak commercially with Down Down, then after that it was the start of the lovable institution? I always thought the slide was when they recorded the RAOTW album. Suddenly everyone outside wanted to tell the band what to do and how to sound. They tried to fix what wasn't broken.
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Post by mortified on Oct 16, 2024 4:44:09 GMT
Is it just me or did it seem better before they became a "loveable institution"? Or am I just wallowing in nostalgia like some old bloke thinking 'fings ain't wot they used to be'? No I agree. Thinking about it, did they peak commercially with Down Down, then after that it was the start of the lovable institution? I always thought the slide was when they recorded the RAOTW album. Suddenly everyone outside wanted to tell the band what to do and how to sound. They tried to fix what wasn't broken. Not sure they peaked commercially with Down Down. In terms of chart position, yes, but not with sales I don't think. Rockin' is the obvious line in the sand but, even then, that 'institution' thing hadn't kicked in. It seems to have crept up more since they've got older. Francis and Rick in particular. And the decisions to go on light entertainment and variety programmes took them down that path. I'd never have believed it when I was about 18 but Francis has become, almost by default, the Bruce Forsyth of rock. I think he'd be happy with that.
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Post by roadhouse on Oct 16, 2024 5:12:55 GMT
No I agree. Thinking about it, did they peak commercially with Down Down, then after that it was the start of the lovable institution? I always thought the slide was when they recorded the RAOTW album. Suddenly everyone outside wanted to tell the band what to do and how to sound. They tried to fix what wasn't broken. Not sure they peaked commercially with Down Down. In terms of chart position, yes, but not with sales I don't think. Rockin' is the obvious line in the sand but, even then, that 'institution' thing hadn't kicked in. It seems to have crept up more since they've got older. Francis and Rick in particular. And the decisions to go on light entertainment and variety programmes took them down that path. I'd never have believed it when I was about 18 but Francis has become, almost by default, the Bruce Forsyth of rock. I think he'd be happy with that. Yeah I'm inclined to agree with that. I suppose on the one hand they became the lovable institution, but on the other hand to some they long out stayed their welcome. I don't think Quo get the air play they should on various radio stations, when you think of all their hits, theres loads to choose from, but if Quo do get played its normally the same ol' songs, like Caroline, Down down, sometimes Whatever you want and Rockin'. I never hear any of their 80's hits. Quite odd really.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 16, 2024 5:46:03 GMT
Is it just me or did it seem better before they became a "loveable institution"? Or am I just wallowing in nostalgia like some old bloke thinking 'fings ain't wot they used to be'? No I agree. Thinking about it, did they peak commercially with Down Down, then after that it was the start of the lovable institution? I always thought the slide was when they recorded the RAOTW album. Suddenly everyone outside wanted to tell the band what to do and how to sound. They tried to fix what wasn't broken. Probably around the mid 70s, as the record label wanted an American producer to mix the Live! recordings, from memory, and that idea was nixed. No one ever seems to mention how polished the Blue For You album is, compared to albums prior. Not as produced as the Rockin album, but not as rough / raw as what came before.
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Post by mortified on Oct 16, 2024 6:08:01 GMT
No I agree. Thinking about it, did they peak commercially with Down Down, then after that it was the start of the lovable institution? I always thought the slide was when they recorded the RAOTW album. Suddenly everyone outside wanted to tell the band what to do and how to sound. They tried to fix what wasn't broken. Probably around the mid 70s, as the record label wanted an American producer to mix the Live! recordings, from memory, and that idea was nixed. No one ever seems to mention how polished the Blue For You album is, compared to albums prior. Not as produced as the Rockin album, but not as rough / raw as what came before. I don't think that's something I've ever noticed. All of the albums from Dog to Blue For You had a different 'sound' to them; a different feel. Rockin', of course, took that to another level. It's interesting that they (or someone) felt they had to change to break into the American market. Rather than just be what they were type thing. Maybe that was the way back then; you had to bend to get US airplay. Or was this just Quo? Did other bands consciously change their approach? I guess maybe Slade did. Not sure I would count Fleetwood Mac because they had become an entirely different outfit. All water under the bridge. I'm just glad it never happened for them. We'd have got Thirsty Work much earlier
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Post by roadhouse on Oct 16, 2024 6:09:00 GMT
No I agree. Thinking about it, did they peak commercially with Down Down, then after that it was the start of the lovable institution? I always thought the slide was when they recorded the RAOTW album. Suddenly everyone outside wanted to tell the band what to do and how to sound. They tried to fix what wasn't broken. Probably around the mid 70s, as the record label wanted an American producer to mix the Live! recordings, from memory, and that idea was nixed. No one ever seems to mention how polished the Blue For You album is, compared to albums prior. Not as produced as the Rockin album, but not as rough / raw as what came before. Personally I don't find the Blue for you album polished at all, certainly no more than On the level, and the Live at the Apollo album is as raw as it gets. I think it all changed on the RAOTW album for me. The polished production values and a feeling for the first time things were not so frantic anymore. Its almost as if they released the live album to draw a line in the sand, and that was the real Frantic Four period more or less over. Ok they we're still awesome live, but suddenly on record they are a very different band. It couldn't continue the way it did though. Some fans thought If you cant stand the heat was a step too far, and the band had to come up with something better. And thankfully with the WYW album it sounded more like a band again.
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Post by mortified on Oct 16, 2024 6:21:12 GMT
Live! to Rockin' is the obvious line in the sand but I have always thought that was in retrospect. Which is easy. It means eras of the band can be compartmentalised to suit whatever argument you're trying to make.
Rockin' went wrong. No question about that. Which is why it was remixed decades later. Successfully in my book. But I have to admit I liked the album at the time; warts, muffled sound and all.
Baby Boy was a million miles from Paper Plane, of course, but then so was Umleitung. Quo have always diversified more than they've ever been given credit for.
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Post by roadhouse on Oct 17, 2024 13:07:42 GMT
Probably around the mid 70s, as the record label wanted an American producer to mix the Live! recordings, from memory, and that idea was nixed. No one ever seems to mention how polished the Blue For You album is, compared to albums prior. Not as produced as the Rockin album, but not as rough / raw as what came before. I don't think that's something I've ever noticed. All of the albums from Dog to Blue For You had a different 'sound' to them; a different feel. Rockin', of course, took that to another level. It's interesting that they (or someone) felt they had to change to break into the American market. Rather than just be what they were type thing. Maybe that was the way back then; you had to bend to get US airplay. Or was this just Quo? Did other bands consciously change their approach? I guess maybe Slade did. Not sure I would count Fleetwood Mac because they had become an entirely different outfit. All water under the bridge. I'm just glad it never happened for them. We'd have got Thirsty Work much earlier I find it ironic that it seemed over night sometime after the Blue for you album suddenly there was all these people telling the band how to sound, and the urge to crack America had ramped up, hence the need for a more slicker polished sound. I say ironic because I have a mate in America who has a very successful youtube channel and knows his stuff about music, his channel is all about reviewing music, but hes a true American. So I sent him a selection of Quo tracks to play and review. I sent at least two tracks from every album from Dog of two head to Never too late. And his reply was quite surprising. He actually rated the tracks from DOTH highest, and pretty much all the tracks from Piledriver, and the albums through to Blue for you, then rated the tracks I sent from RAOTW to Never to late the lowest. So this is ironic I thought because Quo altered their sound for the American market from Rockin onwards, yet an American guy favoured those tracks less than before. How ironic is that?
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Post by mortified on Oct 17, 2024 13:35:08 GMT
It is ironic, I suppose, but it's also not 1977. Different world; different thinking.
Do we know that the band were being told how to sound? There was obviously an attempt to crack America, although that had been ongoing for quite a few years. It's just what bands were advised to do. The decision may have been their own, who knows?
Personally, I think Rockin' was a good album. And it doesn't sound like it was made for the American market at all. It just had sound issues, the technical reasons for which seem to have varied over the years; from squeezing the tracks on to very thin vinyl to general production and arrangement. I'm not clued up enough to understand the ins and outs.
....Heat was a different ball game. The sound issues were sorted but in came horns, female backing singers and pretty lame material by their standards. Complete change.
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Post by roadhouse on Oct 17, 2024 14:53:41 GMT
It is ironic, I suppose, but it's also not 1977. Different world; different thinking. Do we know that the band were being told how to sound? There was obviously an attempt to crack America, although that had been ongoing for quite a few years. It's just what bands were advised to do. The decision may have been their own, who knows? Personally, I think Rockin' was a good album. And it doesn't sound like it was made for the American market at all. It just had sound issues, the technical reasons for which seem to have varied over the years; from squeezing the tracks on to very thin vinyl to general production and arrangement. I'm not clued up enough to understand the ins and outs. .... Heat was a different ball game. The sound issues were sorted but in came horns, female backing singers and pretty lame material by their standards. Complete change. I seem to remember reading something years ago, that the Rockin album was the first real conscious attempt to crack the States. Rick heard the Rockin song on a radio nearly when the album was already finished. The original title was going to be Rockers Rollin' then I guess the rest is history. I seem to remember the WYW album had two versions, one was designed purely for the American market, I forget the title for a minute, but it wasn't Whatever you want.
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Post by dennis on Oct 17, 2024 15:29:46 GMT
It is ironic, I suppose, but it's also not 1977. Different world; different thinking. Do we know that the band were being told how to sound? There was obviously an attempt to crack America, although that had been ongoing for quite a few years. It's just what bands were advised to do. The decision may have been their own, who knows? Personally, I think Rockin' was a good album. And it doesn't sound like it was made for the American market at all. It just had sound issues, the technical reasons for which seem to have varied over the years; from squeezing the tracks on to very thin vinyl to general production and arrangement. I'm not clued up enough to understand the ins and outs. .... Heat was a different ball game. The sound issues were sorted but in came horns, female backing singers and pretty lame material by their standards. Complete change. I seem to remember reading something years ago, that the Rockin album was the first real conscious attempt to crack the States. Rick heard the Rockin song on a radio nearly when the album was already finished. The original title was going to be Rockers Rollin' then I guess the rest is history. I seem to remember the WYW album had two versions, one was designed purely for the American market, I forget the title for a minute, but it wasn't Whatever you want.
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