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Post by viza on May 6, 2020 9:49:10 GMT
Did some research and came up with some interesting statistics regarding writing credits. I was curious about the division of the credits and how it was changing over the years from 1968-1984. This is how I calculated it: If there is 10 songs on an album each track will be worth 10 %. If the song has one writer he is credited those 10 %. If the song has two writers each writer is credited 5 % and so on. For example: Little Lady earns Parfitt 10 % while Most of the Time earns Rossi and Young 5 % each. The most interesting about this is that Rossi is not at all as dominant as songwriter as I thought. Of course he contributed to more songs but since he never wrote anything on his own that impacts the credit division. Actuality there is four albums in a row where he doesn't have the highest score: Quo - Parfitt and Lancaster On the Level - Parfitt and Young Blue For You - Lancaster Rockin'All Over the World - Lancaster From Never to Late to Back to Back he shares the 1st place with Frost (and Lancaster on 1+9+8+2).
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Post by MrWaistcoat on May 17, 2020 17:51:35 GMT
Thats a very impressive graph viza !!
Gerdundula. Anyone know the story of the songwriting credits? My guess is that bob and francis must have worried that the lead guitar melody wasn't original, so used Manston/James. But is it original ? Sounds like a traditional jig type thing, but I couldn't identify it
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Post by viza on May 18, 2020 19:50:29 GMT
Thats a very impressive graph viza !! Gerdundula. Anyone know the story of the songwriting credits? My guess is that bob and francis must have worried that the lead guitar melody wasn't original, so used Manston/James. But is it original ? Sounds like a traditional jig type thing, but I couldn't identify it I was actually counting that one as Rossi/Young.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on May 18, 2020 20:48:03 GMT
Thats a very impressive graph viza !! Gerdundula. Anyone know the story of the songwriting credits? My guess is that bob and francis must have worried that the lead guitar melody wasn't original, so used Manston/James. But is it original ? Sounds like a traditional jig type thing, but I couldn't identify it Does sound like a jig that we should all know but can't nail. Copyright issues seem to be the preferred reasons given for the Manston/James credits aka Rossi/Young. The song had been originally published by EMI and not Valley Music. There a number of incarnations of Gerdundula from Quo on different recordings.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on May 18, 2020 22:27:24 GMT
Thats a very impressive graph viza !! Gerdundula. Anyone know the story of the songwriting credits? My guess is that bob and francis must have worried that the lead guitar melody wasn't original, so used Manston/James. But is it original ? Sounds like a traditional jig type thing, but I couldn't identify it I believe it comes out of a classical piece, at about half speed. I heard it on Radio 4 one day but entirely failed to remember what the where. Paul Hirsh might know. PS the Status Quo version is the best.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on May 18, 2020 22:28:45 GMT
PS early in my Quofandom I did a little survey of who wrote the best songs (hits/ones I liked) and it came out (to my surprise) pretty even between Francis, Rick Alan and Bob.
Another demonstration of how they really were stronger as a unit.
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Post by viza on May 19, 2020 7:03:06 GMT
Was thinking about Young, it's interesting that he is doing a "come back" on WYW after IYCSTH. Wasn't he even fired as a tour manager in 79? I think they used a lot of old material on WYW, JS and NTL. Even heard a Swedish collector talked about a peace of paper that he owns. I think it was the original lyrics sheet of Fine Fine Fine, hand written by Young. On the backside there was parts of Shady Lady. So maybe it was written as early as 74, at least parts of it.
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Post by mortified on May 19, 2020 7:52:38 GMT
Thats a very impressive graph viza !! Gerdundula. Anyone know the story of the songwriting credits? My guess is that bob and francis must have worried that the lead guitar melody wasn't original, so used Manston/James. But is it original ? Sounds like a traditional jig type thing, but I couldn't identify it I believe it comes out of a classical piece, at about half speed. I heard it on Radio 4 one day but entirely failed to remember what the where. Paul Hirsh might know. PS the Status Quo version is the best. I never knew that
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Post by mortified on May 19, 2020 7:55:22 GMT
Thats a very impressive graph viza !! Gerdundula. Anyone know the story of the songwriting credits? My guess is that bob and francis must have worried that the lead guitar melody wasn't original, so used Manston/James. But is it original ? Sounds like a traditional jig type thing, but I couldn't identify it Does sound like a jig that we should all know but can't nail. Copyright issues seem to be the preferred reasons given for the Manston/James credits aka Rossi/Young. The song had been originally published by EMI and not Valley Music. There a number of incarnations of Gerdundula from Quo on different recordings. Very true. So they obviously like it Even played it on a revamped version of "Tiswas" a few years back as I recall. There's also the cover of it by Argentinian outfit, Luar Na Lubre. Not bad that version either
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Post by mortified on May 19, 2020 7:58:57 GMT
As for the whole writing credit thing, I think Francis has obviously been the most prolific but he rarely wrote on his own. Only in the very early days I think. Alan and Rick wrote on their own quite a lot; certainly more than Francis but when they wrote together it was usually blinding. Same with Parfitt/Edwards compositions. Francis and Rick rarely wrote together but when they did, it was usually a belter as well. Nice graph by the way. It's like reading the daily Covid-19 stats
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Post by nino on May 19, 2020 9:00:41 GMT
Very, very interesting, Viza! In their heyday Francis doesn't seem to be as prominent, as you've shown, but I think the graph/the curve would increase heavily in the following years. Regarding Gerdundula: I seem to remember that Francis (or Bob) once said, they were just messing around and having fun, so there's no significant reason for Manston/James. Apart from the wonga or whatever they were doing round this time
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on May 19, 2020 9:55:44 GMT
Was thinking about Young, it's interesting that he is doing a "come back" on WYW after IYCSTH. Wasn't he even fired as a tour manager in 79? I think they used a lot of old material on WYW, JS and NTL. Even heard a Swedish collector talked about a peace of paper that he owns. I think it was the original lyrics sheet of Fine Fine Fine, hand written by Young. On the backside there was parts of Shady Lady. So maybe it was written as early as 74, at least parts of it. Even to this day, I believe Bob Young writes all his lyrics out by hand on bits of paper and in books. I imagine he would have scribbled down any ideas that came to mind at any given time and then perhaps the right time came to use them.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on May 19, 2020 10:17:25 GMT
Very, very interesting, Viza! In their heyday Francis doesn't seem to be as prominent, as you've shown, but I think the graph/the curve would increase heavily in the following years. Regarding Gerdundula: I seem to remember that Francis (or Bob) once said, they were just messing around and having fun, so there's no significant reason for Manston/James. Apart from the wonga or whatever they were doing round this time They did mention that recently so it may well have been them messin' around under the influence. The official line at one time may have been copyright stuff but Quo were given to moments of silly-ness. How else can you explain the lyrics to 'In My Chair' and 'Paper Plane'?! No idea if the tapes still exist or if long confined to the bin, but when Bob had been writing stuff with Micky Moody, in a hotel room in Bayswater, they had been consuming large amounts of Irish Stout and cheese and onion sandwiches and how, unsurprisingly, their legendary fart tape came to be recorded.
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Post by wolfman on May 19, 2020 10:31:51 GMT
Very, very interesting, Viza! In their heyday Francis doesn't seem to be as prominent, as you've shown, but I think the graph/the curve would increase heavily in the following years. Regarding Gerdundula: I seem to remember that Francis (or Bob) once said, they were just messing around and having fun, so there's no significant reason for Manston/James. Apart from the wonga or whatever they were doing round this time They did mention that recently so it may well have been them messin' around under the influence. The official line at one time may have been copyright stuff but Quo were given to moments of silly-ness. How else can you explain the lyrics to 'In My Chair' and 'Paper Plane'?! No idea if the tapes still exist or if long confined to the bin, but when Bob had been writing stuff with Micky Moody, in a hotel room in Bayswater, they had been consuming large amounts of Irish Stout and cheese and onion sandwiches and how, unsurprisingly, their legendary fart tape came to be recorded. Jackie lynton recordings of the fart tapes still make me chuckle like a school kid..
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Post by dennis on May 19, 2020 11:04:35 GMT
It's particularly interesting when you consider the hit singles. Rossi peaked in the early '70s, with very little to show after '74 apart from a brief flurry with Frost in '80 & a couple of efforts later in the '80s. It was just as well Parfitt came up with a few decent efforts in the late '70s, but even so, they depended on a fair few songs that weren't written/co-written by the band once the Rossi/Young hits well dried up.
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