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Post by Isaac Ryan on Nov 21, 2019 20:20:37 GMT
It's not opinion, it's fact. His bass playing is pedantic and always has been. Alan's was simple, maybe, but it was also far more dynamic. What do you mean with pedantic, here? If he doesn't do anything special, it means he sucks. If he plays something a bit harder or different, it means it's pedantic... He'll never win, in your eyes. He doesn't sing very well, no. But he plays well. He can play whatever Alan played and more. I'd say he is a better bassist than Alan. Could you please give me examples of songs (live or studio) where Rhino played "pedantic" bass lines? This should be interesting, it is after all stated as a fact.
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Post by wolfman on Nov 21, 2019 21:26:22 GMT
What do you mean with pedantic, here? If he doesn't do anything special, it means he sucks. If he plays something a bit harder or different, it means it's pedantic... He'll never win, in your eyes. He doesn't sing very well, no. But he plays well. He can play whatever Alan played and more. I'd say he is a better bassist than Alan. Could you please give me examples of songs (live or studio) where Rhino played "pedantic" bass lines? This should be interesting, it is after all stated as a fact. all of them
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Post by sqcollector on Nov 21, 2019 22:04:52 GMT
The thing is that as an artist you will always get critisism from people and not everone is going to have positive critisism. Some will like what he does, some won't. it's all in how things are said I suppose. Let's take Rhino for instance. I personally don't think most of his singing works very well for Quo 'cos I don't think he has a very good singing voice and I just don't like it. (However as a side not i must say that on Backbone the little bit he does on Better take care doesn't sound all that bad to me). But saying I don't like his voice is not meant as an insult. It's just a personal feeling and opinion I have. I have nothing against the man itself and I have nothing against his bass playing. I don't judge him as a person because that has nothing to do with his singing. On the latest album I personally think his bass playing is quite good at times, for instance in Cut me some slack. Great post, I must say. I respect your opinion. I respect the other fellow's opinion. I'm just asking them to explain why they say what they say, because I don't share the same opinion. Especially when it comes to "pedantic bass lines". I can't get that. So, some enlightenment would be nice. I get and understand all of the rest you say on your post. Everyone can say "I like this, because..."/"I don't like this, because...". Even "I like this."/"I don't like this.". It's fine, it's opinion. But here is different. The user is not saying as an opinion (but, do note, without any justification to back up their "fact"). I am just curious as to why the bass lines are being characterized as pedantic.
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Post by blagult on Nov 21, 2019 22:45:05 GMT
It’s all just a matter of different tastes and opinions within the wide church of 50 odd years of Quo. Within the same context I always found Lon Chaney to be the true and original Wolfman. No offence to our imposter he just isn’t as good as the original ! 😂
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Post by wolfman on Nov 22, 2019 5:51:54 GMT
It’s all just a matter of different tastes and opinions within the wide church of 50 odd years of Quo. Within the same context I always found Lon Chaney to be the true and original Wolfman. No offence to our imposter he just isn’t as good as the original ! 😂 he was my grandad
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Post by paradiseflats on Nov 22, 2019 7:10:25 GMT
What do you mean with pedantic, here? If he doesn't do anything special, it means he sucks. If he plays something a bit harder or different, it means it's pedantic... He'll never win, in your eyes. He doesn't sing very well, no. But he plays well. He can play whatever Alan played and more. I'd say he is a better bassist than Alan. Could you please give me examples of songs (live or studio) where Rhino played "pedantic" bass lines? The thing is that as an artist you will always get critisism from people and not everone is going to have positive critisism. Some will like what he does, some won't. it's all in how things are said I suppose. Let's take Rhino for instance. I personally don't think most of his singing works very well for Quo 'cos I don't think he has a very good singing voice and I just don't like it. (However as a side not i must say that on Backbone the little bit he does on Better take care doesn't sound all that bad to me). But saying I don't like his voice is not meant as an insult. It's just a personal feeling and opinion I have. I have nothing against the man itself and I have nothing against his bass playing. I don't judge him as a person because that has nothing to do with his singing. On the latest album I personally think his bass playing is quite good at times, for instance in Cut me some slack. ‘Quite good’ 😜😜😱. Sums up his time in Status Quo.
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Post by gav on Nov 22, 2019 22:00:31 GMT
The thing is that as an artist you will always get critisism from people and not everone is going to have positive critisism. Some will like what he does, some won't. it's all in how things are said I suppose. Let's take Rhino for instance. I personally don't think most of his singing works very well for Quo 'cos I don't think he has a very good singing voice and I just don't like it. (However as a side not i must say that on Backbone the little bit he does on Better take care doesn't sound all that bad to me). But saying I don't like his voice is not meant as an insult. It's just a personal feeling and opinion I have. I have nothing against the man itself and I have nothing against his bass playing. I don't judge him as a person because that has nothing to do with his singing. On the latest album I personally think his bass playing is quite good at times, for instance in Cut me some slack. Great post, I must say. I respect your opinion. I respect the other fellow's opinion. I'm just asking them to explain why they say what they say, because I don't share the same opinion. Especially when it comes to "pedantic bass lines". I can't get that. So, some enlightenment would be nice. I get and understand all of the rest you say on your post. Everyone can say "I like this, because..."/"I don't like this, because...". Even "I like this."/"I don't like this.". It's fine, it's opinion. But here is different. The user is not saying as an opinion (but, do note, without any justification to back up their "fact"). I am just curious as to why the bass lines are being characterized as pedantic. Could it be the poster was using "pedantic" to characterise a boring or dull type of person? So he finds Rhino's bass playing boring in effect?
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Post by americanquo on Nov 24, 2019 19:27:55 GMT
Great post, I must say. I respect your opinion. I respect the other fellow's opinion. I'm just asking them to explain why they say what they say, because I don't share the same opinion. Especially when it comes to "pedantic bass lines". I can't get that. So, some enlightenment would be nice. I get and understand all of the rest you say on your post. Everyone can say "I like this, because..."/"I don't like this, because...". Even "I like this."/"I don't like this.". It's fine, it's opinion. But here is different. The user is not saying as an opinion (but, do note, without any justification to back up their "fact"). I am just curious as to why the bass lines are being characterized as pedantic. Could it be the poster was using "pedantic" to characterise a boring or dull type of person? So he finds Rhino's bass playing boring in effect? Precisely. Unimaginative and lackluster. Instead of driving the band forward as AL did it just flops around in the background.
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Post by jcb on Nov 24, 2019 21:23:07 GMT
Pedantic! What a load of rubbish. The man is an outrageous bass player. See, I’m old and can remember him playing in Judie Tzuke’s band, he was brilliant then and still is. Singing may not be his strong point though. Then again, having seen Mr. Parfitt steadily going down hill in both the vocal and remembering the words department, Rhino is doing just fine. You get used to a certain voice on a certain song and whenever someone else steps up it’s always going to be a bit odd, for a while. Years ago he had a good stab at “Centrefold “ many, many moons ago...
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Post by quovadis on Nov 24, 2019 23:46:58 GMT
I have to say Alan's bass playing on hello is sublime especially on 45oo times class imo
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Nov 25, 2019 0:50:23 GMT
I like Rhino, but on the recordings in particular I prefer Alan's bass playing. I don't know why, maybe I just like his bass tone better. More 70s-style.
And Alan isn't with either of the bands under discussion ... !
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Post by wolfman on Nov 25, 2019 3:45:31 GMT
Pedantic! What a load of rubbish. The man is an outrageous bass player. See, I’m old and can remember him playing in Judie Tzuke’s band, he was brilliant then and still is. Singing may not be his strong point though. Then again, having seen Mr. Parfitt steadily going down hill in both the vocal and remembering the words department, Rhino is doing just fine. You get used to a certain voice on a certain song and whenever someone else steps up it’s always going to be a bit odd, for a while. Years ago he had a good stab at “Centrefold “ many, many moons ago... in your own words what a load of old rubbish....
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Post by americanquo on Nov 30, 2019 0:35:31 GMT
It's not opinion, it's fact. His bass playing is pedantic and always has been. Alan's was simple, maybe, but it was also far more dynamic. What do you mean with pedantic, here? If he doesn't do anything special, it means he sucks. If he plays something a bit harder or different, it means it's pedantic... He'll never win, in your eyes. He doesn't sing very well, no. But he plays well. He can play whatever Alan played and more. I'd say he is a better bassist than Alan. Could you please give me examples of songs (live or studio) where Rhino played "pedantic" bass lines? Every one of them. As for him being a better bassist than Alan, if you truly believe that then your views make perfect sense. The guy isn't fit to strong Alan's guitar. Then we look at his song-writing, which actually had a couple of high points, but mostly were forgettable. As for what he calls singing, the cows mooing across the highway are more in tune.
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Post by americanquo on Nov 30, 2019 0:38:01 GMT
Pedantic! What a load of rubbish. The man is an outrageous bass player. See, I’m old and can remember him playing in Judie Tzuke’s band, he was brilliant then and still is. Singing may not be his strong point though. Then again, having seen Mr. Parfitt steadily going down hill in both the vocal and remembering the words department, Rhino is doing just fine. You get used to a certain voice on a certain song and whenever someone else steps up it’s always going to be a bit odd, for a while. Years ago he had a good stab at “Centrefold “ many, many moons ago... Pedantic, yes. Perfect word for him.
But hey, if you like his stuff, great! I'm not saying don't listen. But I am saying that Coghlan's Quo is more Quo than Rossi's version.
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Post by unspokenwords on Nov 30, 2019 13:21:12 GMT
I understand the technical ability of Rhino and remember one song 'Two Suns' which from memory displayed this.
I do also however agree about his playing being pedantic.
In my opinion Alan had dynamics in his playing that Rhino does not and totally was the right person for Quo. He was seamlessly perfect with Johns dynamic and powerful drums as the driving force and motion of Quo. They were fundamental to this and I often think on this front that John should get a writing credit on all the Quo songs for the dynamics he added that lifted many songs to a different level.
Alan's playing was musical and suited the songs. He could play simple but powerful staccato style for the 12 bar but also produce complex bass runs and style. He did this from the very start during the psychedelic years and a simple demonstration can be seen with Pictures Of Matchstickmen. Contrast the original version with the pedantic bass on the Aquostic/acoustic version recorded by Rhino. Alan's playing on many songs reveals real style and magic without overstating this, in a way that reminds me of George Harrison's guitar with the Beatles, totally appropriate to the songs without dominating them. Alan never claimed to be a brilliant bass player, a Jaco Pastorius. He was however the bass player, song writer, singer, arranger, producer and performed for Quo and most perfect at that and for this. Rhino has not successful replaced that even if he is professional and technically accomplished. This can be cold and scientific and lacking dynamics and feel.
Just think of the bass lines on Mystery Song, And Its Better Now, A Year (in particular the middle section from 'How can I ever tell you the end is almost here, the sing of love is ringing in my ear...), Lonely Man, Living On An Island, Accident Prone etc etc., etc.,
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