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Post by Gaz on Oct 29, 2019 5:48:19 GMT
Some of you could be talking piffle...quo could have been proper stadium rock. Acdc...sabbath.preist Just to name a few But events took a different turn did they not? If only they had cracked the States with,say, Mystery Song....could've been a different road
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Post by tqontq on Oct 29, 2019 5:53:47 GMT
In my opinion, Alan would have kept Rossi and Parfitt from continuing with the name but the band would have ceased to exist in any shape or form - both on record and live. That would have been it.
They 'may' have reunited a number of years later but that too would not have lasted much more than, ultimately, what we had in 13/14.
Despite that I enjoy some of the material from HT, QPQ and a couple of other albums, I don't think we would have lost a lot to be honest. For me, Quo were 1970-1984 despite the slide in the last couple of years and beyond that they simply released extremely mediocre, bland, uninspiring middle of the road pop music that bore no resemblance or association with their greatness of former years. There was nothing to really hold onto, except the name and what it stood for.
So, I would have been content if they called it quits compleltey in 86, seen a reunion a number of years later and to remember with extreme fondness and admiration of their glory years as exactly that, with little to taint it (bar only a few naff albums).
Only that is not what happened and they became a laughing stock .... but Rossi and Parfitt got to make a living out of it so it is hard to argue with that at the end of the day.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Oct 29, 2019 9:29:34 GMT
Some of you could be talking piffle...quo could have been proper stadium rock. Acdc...sabbath.preist Just to name a few But events took a different turn did they not? If only they had cracked the States with,say, Mystery Song....could've been a different road By 1981 Quo were doing great in Europe, winning new fans off the back of NTL and the back catalogue. America wasnt going to be cracked, but they were in an amazing position. Hard rock live, amazing fans but with the luxory of hit singles Let's say they followed an ACDC approach from there.... Disappointing very occasional albums with the usual sound, the same old thing live,touring less. Like Francis now admits, they'd now be a far bigger live band than they are, comparable in Europe to acdc. Let's remember that in 81, Quo were the biggest live rock band in Europe
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Post by Detroit on Oct 29, 2019 18:32:34 GMT
In my opinion, Alan would have kept Rossi and Parfitt from continuing with the name but the band would have ceased to exist in any shape or form - both on record and live. That would have been it. They 'may' have reunited a number of years later but that too would not have lasted much more than, ultimately, what we had in 13/14. Despite that I enjoy some of the material from HT, QPQ and a couple of other albums, I don't think we would have lost a lot to be honest. For me, Quo were 1970-1984 despite the slide in the last couple of years and beyond that they simply released extremely mediocre, bland, uninspiring middle of the road pop music that bore no resemblance or association with their greatness of former years. There was nothing to really hold onto, except the name and what it stood for. So, I would have been content if they called it quits compleltey in 86, seen a reunion a number of years later and to remember with extreme fondness and admiration of their glory years as exactly that, with little to taint it (bar only a few naff albums). Only that is not what happened and they became a laughing stock .... but Rossi and Parfitt got to make a living out of it so it is hard to argue with that at the end of the day. After having full custody of the name Status Quo, Alan could have sold it back to Rossi for alot of cash.
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Post by wolfman on Oct 29, 2019 21:00:46 GMT
Some of you could be talking piffle...quo could have been proper stadium rock. Acdc...sabbath.preist Just to name a few But events took a different turn did they not? I think the only way they would have achived that would have been to have got a new "Rock" singer and actually made in in America. Neither Rick or Alan had the "Voice" to make it in America, nor did Francis TBH. By 1984 all of the above had made it there and were part of the Rock/Metal furniture. Though Sabbath in 84 were on the slide big time and never really got back until 97/98 with the reuinion with Ozzy. Quo without Francis may have got some inital interest but with Rick in the mess that he was in back then even he would not have managed to pull himself together with Alan to make a serious record that would have appealed. Lets not forget either that the dislkike of Francis with some of the fan base has taken place since 1984. Back then he was still the top guy for lots of the fans. Would they have accpeted a new singer/lead guitar. Or would they feel that Alan/Rick pushed Francis out like many regard that Alan was pushed out. interesting
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Post by azza200 on Oct 29, 2019 21:30:43 GMT
what did francis say back in 1984 which had an effect on some of the fanbase?
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 29, 2019 22:18:45 GMT
what did francis say back in 1984 which had an effect on some of the fanbase? Nothing as far as I can remember but that's the starting date, from when the old band ended and the swap over to the new one began.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 29, 2019 23:05:44 GMT
In my opinion, Alan would have kept Rossi and Parfitt from continuing with the name but the band would have ceased to exist in any shape or form - both on record and live. That would have been it. They 'may' have reunited a number of years later but that too would not have lasted much more than, ultimately, what we had in 13/14. Despite that I enjoy some of the material from HT, QPQ and a couple of other albums, I don't think we would have lost a lot to be honest. For me, Quo were 1970-1984 despite the slide in the last couple of years and beyond that they simply released extremely mediocre, bland, uninspiring middle of the road pop music that bore no resemblance or association with their greatness of former years. There was nothing to really hold onto, except the name and what it stood for. So, I would have been content if they called it quits compleltey in 86, seen a reunion a number of years later and to remember with extreme fondness and admiration of their glory years as exactly that, with little to taint it (bar only a few naff albums). Only that is not what happened and they became a laughing stock .... but Rossi and Parfitt got to make a living out of it so it is hard to argue with that at the end of the day. After having full custody of the name Status Quo, Alan could have sold it back to Rossi for alot of cash. Rossi would not have been bothered really. He was done with Quo. Both he and Rick had their solo material due for release in 1985. Ricks was scheduled to be released in May. Had Alan won the rights over the name, the band would have been sued regardless. Alan wanted them to go over to Australia to record the next album which Rick and Francis weren't going to do, so the 3 albums they were contracted to do wouldn't have happened and the record label would have seriously f*cked them in the arse with a lawsuit. That would have also caused a bigger drift between the band and I doubt a reunion would have ever happened.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 30, 2019 1:37:15 GMT
Some of you could be talking piffle...quo could have been proper stadium rock. Acdc...sabbath.preist Just to name a few But events took a different turn did they not? If only they had cracked the States with,say, Mystery Song....could've been a different road Could have been a very different road Gaz. The band used to say that perhaps it was a good thing they didn't go big time in the States as most likely it would have killed them, what with their addictive personalities etc. Everything on tap and too much temptation. Interesting 'what if' question about a Rossi replacement had Alan and Rick been given the go ahead with Quo mk2. Perhaps they would have settled for a guitarist and a vocalist in the way JC's Diesel Band often had Micky Moody on guitar and Jackie Lynton on vocals. I wonder if they would have considered getting in touch with John Coghlan in that scenario?
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Post by daipembs on Oct 30, 2019 6:40:40 GMT
It's all what's and if's but conversely I wonder what the outcome would've been if things had stayed as they were regarding the court case but Francis and Rick had brought on board Cozy Powell and Neil Murray as a rhythm section. (I'm sure I read somewhere at the time that they were linked by the press?)
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Post by Gaz on Oct 30, 2019 6:42:51 GMT
If only they had cracked the States with,say, Mystery Song....could've been a different road Could have been a very different road Gaz. The band used to say that perhaps it was a good thing they didn't go big time in the States as most likely it would have killed them, what with their addictive personalities etc. Everything on tap and too much temptation. Interesting 'what if' question about a Rossi replacement had Alan and Rick been given the go ahead with Quo mk2. Perhaps they would have settled for a guitarist and a vocalist in the way JC's Diesel Band often had Micky Moody on guitar and Jackie Lynton on vocals. I wonder if they would have considered getting in touch with John Coghlan in that scenario? John may have if the touring schedule was reduced somewhat. He was so burnt out when he left Quo by the sound of it. I’m no muso but in a band like Quo, who would be knackered the most after a gig? Does a drummer use more energy?
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Oct 30, 2019 12:33:39 GMT
Could have been a very different road Gaz. The band used to say that perhaps it was a good thing they didn't go big time in the States as most likely it would have killed them, what with their addictive personalities etc. Everything on tap and too much temptation. Interesting 'what if' question about a Rossi replacement had Alan and Rick been given the go ahead with Quo mk2. Perhaps they would have settled for a guitarist and a vocalist in the way JC's Diesel Band often had Micky Moody on guitar and Jackie Lynton on vocals. I wonder if they would have considered getting in touch with John Coghlan in that scenario? John may have if the touring schedule was reduced somewhat. He was so burnt out when he left Quo by the sound of it. I’m no muso but in a band like Quo, who would be knackered the most after a gig? Does a drummer use more energy? I'm no muso either....but drummer or Rick I would say.
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Post by dennis on Oct 30, 2019 12:38:53 GMT
A better what if might be: "What if Quo had been managed by someone of the calibre of Peter Grant through their career?" They might have cracked USA, they would probably have had more money in their bank accounts & the internal relationships in the Quo camp may have been quite different. By the '80s they'd have been in a different place & the splits we saw may not have happened at all.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 30, 2019 12:56:56 GMT
Could have been a very different road Gaz. The band used to say that perhaps it was a good thing they didn't go big time in the States as most likely it would have killed them, what with their addictive personalities etc. Everything on tap and too much temptation. Interesting 'what if' question about a Rossi replacement had Alan and Rick been given the go ahead with Quo mk2. Perhaps they would have settled for a guitarist and a vocalist in the way JC's Diesel Band often had Micky Moody on guitar and Jackie Lynton on vocals. I wonder if they would have considered getting in touch with John Coghlan in that scenario? John may have if the touring schedule was reduced somewhat. He was so burnt out when he left Quo by the sound of it. I’m no muso but in a band like Quo, who would be knackered the most after a gig? Does a drummer use more energy? You're right, John had hit the buffers with the workload, travelling etc. A drummer does do a workout in a sense on stage and John certainly wasn't enjoying playing the extended 4500X by this time. Though it was possibly less about the 2+ hours on stage but more about the other stuff that goes with being in a band of Quo's stature that brought things crashing down for John. He had been out on a limb and out of step with the band in general as the others were smoking etc and he wasn't. By the 80s he wasn't involved in the songwriting as it was becoming less about jamming in the studio. Francis had been getting frustrated with John's playing for whatever reasons. He clearly needed to change the scenery and not play for a time. Though it didn't take long for him to get the bug again in the early/mid 80s and pursue a few gigs with his Diesel Band. I saw them a few times in the mid 80s. He also had a couple of things on the go at that time with 'The Rockers' and his own 'Partners In Crime' band with some top level musicians and John Eden Producing his album. JC always used to say he preferred small venues, small hotels etc (Francis never understood that, as for him,why would a band strive to 'make it' then go back to clubs etc) What if 'Partners In Crime' had taken off?!
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 31, 2019 15:07:30 GMT
In my opinion, Alan would have kept Rossi and Parfitt from continuing with the name but the band would have ceased to exist in any shape or form - both on record and live. That would have been it. They 'may' have reunited a number of years later but that too would not have lasted much more than, ultimately, what we had in 13/14. Despite that I enjoy some of the material from HT, QPQ and a couple of other albums, I don't think we would have lost a lot to be honest. For me, Quo were 1970-1984 despite the slide in the last couple of years and beyond that they simply released extremely mediocre, bland, uninspiring middle of the road pop music that bore no resemblance or association with their greatness of former years. There was nothing to really hold onto, except the name and what it stood for. So, I would have been content if they called it quits compleltey in 86, seen a reunion a number of years later and to remember with extreme fondness and admiration of their glory years as exactly that, with little to taint it (bar only a few naff albums). Only that is not what happened and they became a laughing stock .... but Rossi and Parfitt got to make a living out of it so it is hard to argue with that at the end of the day.
Stopping Francis and Rick from using the name without him was IIRR what Alan was trying to achieve. He would never have got (as some have thought) the rights to the band for himself, I never heard anyone suggest that is what he was trying to achieve. There would be no grounds for it. At least in trying to stop them going ahead without him, he would have laid grounds for negotiation. But the court judged (on the basis of what the record company, that is,the customer) was saying, that if Francis and Rick (in particular Francis) were not free to go ahead, then the brand would die.
Quo never became a laughing stock after 1984 except to a minor sector of the population who thought they should be. Taking into account that they were already a laughing stock nearly from the start, thanks to sections of the press (not everyone) having a good go at the three chords, dandruff, denim, headbanging fans etc etc, the remaining members of Quo were not very likely to be interested in the idea that a few more people thought they were a laughing stock.
In a sort of way, Quo, to the public, are "Our national treasure, the Laughing Stock Status Quo!" And they continued to go to the gigs, even buy some of the records. Hardly a losing position for the band! I reckon the last laugh is on everyone else so far ...
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