viza
Rocker Rollin'
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Post by viza on Oct 26, 2019 22:35:54 GMT
Rosanna by Toto has a tight swing, on the hats/ride, I'd say, if you really want an example. But it's not as fast as the Quo songs I mentioned. Jeff Porcaro is one of the best rock drummers ever and would probably be rated much higher than JC in most listings. I would never dream about JP replacing JC in Quo though. It would not work. He is a unique drummer.
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Post by swingseat on Oct 27, 2019 12:57:57 GMT
The remaining closure, which is all but complete, is that, live, they persist with a extremely stagnant selection that wastes the vast amount of recordings.. Total boredom with it set in quite some time before the passing of Rick. There is no motivation whatsoever to see constantly re-heated hits and a very small repetitive number (relative to their huge catalogue) of other songs that despite the obvious freshness injected to the band with the new arrival(s) doesn't compensate for the ingrained over familiarity and acute samey-ness. Its very highly unlikely, but if (say) three/four songs from Backbone, plus the appearance of some fresh post 86 songs suddenly appeared like a rabbit out of a hat, then a door would open slightly on that total closure. Especially because the freshness and new energy within the group would then be used to its proper potential. Thing is, I've complained so often about many songs, but when I saw them in Ludwigsburg all of that didn't matter. They played the songs so well and the audience was so into it, The Oriental stood out especially for that reason... do I want a new set? Sure! Still, looking at it on paper isn't everything, I had to realize... As one who has a detached view these days on Quo, I think its great that they are still enjoying what they are doing, and getting on so well together and that they have an audience who also clearly still enjoy it. Its simply that for me it would take the sort of wholesale changes I mentioned to make me start re-thinking revisiting the whole experience. Hypothetically speaking, a song like, for example, Better Take Care would be an excellent replacement for The Oriental. Though I haven't listened or watched anything related to Quo up to about two years up to recently with the release of Backbone, I can still clearly picture-recall in my head all the stage moves and general sequences to The Oriental. As is the case with the order of everything in the song list. This is the thing - the whole occasion is embalmed in seemingly absurdly prehistoric levels of predictability. Such a complete waste of new personnel and a multi-decadal catalogue of songs to choose from ! And now also including Backbone.
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Post by quovadis on Oct 27, 2019 18:29:12 GMT
Get rid of oriental once and for all and put somethings goin on in my head now that wud be a shock to many of us Could you imagine full song live no chance
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Post by dennis on Oct 27, 2019 19:23:09 GMT
Get rid of oriental once and for all and put somethings goin on in my head now that wud be a shock to many of us Could you imagine full song live no chance I would actually go & see them again after all these years if they did that!
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 6, 2019 14:46:19 GMT
I agree with most of what you said (hearing those missing fills in the reunion recordings drives me mad each time) except this bit. And for that, I'd like to know what drummer (in rock) represents "swing" in your opinion well? Not too sure on what you're saying. So, just to clarify, the swing technique is a technical term. To the point that there's no need for someone to actually be able to play it correctly for the concept to exist (this is to say that the swing itself is a concept and not something represented by a person, just to clarify). This is, of course, an in extremis case. Lots of use in jazz. Correctly used. It's no like John Coghlan couldn't perform it, but sometimes it wasn't that good. On these later years (especially the reunions), it was very noticeable that the swing wasn't very good. For old Quo songs, I bet that if he wanted to record it again, he could probably nail it better. I play drums and when I'm a long time without playing, it's hard for me to keep a sturdy swing for a long time. Especially the fast paced one from songs like Mean Girl, Down The Dustpipe, Tune To The Music, Rolling Home (BFY) and possibly some more. But with practice, it goes there. And I'm talking about both the swing only on the hats/ride and the swing on the hats/ride and snare (both hands). Actually, it's the John Coghlan who inspired me to play that kind of swing. As for a rock drummer, I don't know off hand, really. The thing is, I listen a lot to Quo and I've noticed some things in some songs after listening to them only for the 100th time ahah What I said about his swing is one of those things, I'd say. This is also to say that I'd have to go a listen to some rock bands with lots of attention to find you a correct answer, since I don't really have someone in mind that would, like you said, "represent the swing". Rosanna by Toto has a tight swing, on the hats/ride, I'd say, if you really want an example. But it's not as fast as the Quo songs I mentioned. I verbalized myself in that way because, you can't put a swing/jazz drummer in a rock band without it sounding strange. Jazz drumming is very different in that sense but, there are few drummers that manage to swing in a (hard) rock context as JC did, at least in his heyday. Pete, on the other hand, most definitely did not swing, I don't think so. Quo still sounded OK with him but something was missing. I suppose swing, especially in a rock band, isn't only provided by the drummer. ROLD - there isn't really anything that "swings" (or shuffles) in that drum part. The drums are straight-ahead 4-4 rock, but in the combination with the guitars (rhythm and bass) it becomes as infectious as it does. I think that's actually the magic Quo formula.
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Post by sqcollector on Nov 7, 2019 16:02:48 GMT
I verbalized myself in that way because, you can't put a swing/jazz drummer in a rock band without it sounding strange. Jazz drumming is very different in that sense but, there are few drummers that manage to swing in a (hard) rock context as JC did, at least in his heyday. Pete, on the other hand, most definitely did not swing, I don't think so. Quo still sounded OK with him but something was missing. I suppose swing, especially in a rock band, isn't only provided by the drummer. ROLD - there isn't really anything that "swings" (or shuffles) in that drum part. The drums are straight-ahead 4-4 rock, but in the combination with the guitars (rhythm and bass) it becomes as infectious as it does. I think that's actually the magic Quo formula. First of all, I want to apologize for one thing: I made a huge mistake. On my previous post I'm talking mainly about shuffle, not swing. They are different things. John uses mainly shuffle. He uses swing too, but very rarely. Off the top of my head, on Blue For You and Unspoken Words, on a 9/8 base signature, iirc. To clarify: * Swing* ShuffleThe former is more often used in Jazz, than the second. Which is, in turn, more often used in Rock. This clarifies a bit your points about Jazz drummer vs Rock drummer, I'd say. As for a proper reply to your post, I do agree with you regarding Pete Kircher. He played fine, but he just wasn't able to read, interpret and play Quo's songs the way they should be, in my opinion. He didn't risk. Just very simple rhythms and fills (sometimes, the lack of them). The drums on ROLD are the typical shuffle. Quo's sound was always about all of them contributing to the playing style. Rick's parts were always a shuffle (12/8 or 6/8) or a straight 4/4 rnr rhythm, as you said, along with the bass. That created a very heavy, full sound. I perfectly agree with you on that.
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Post by asthequoflies on Jul 22, 2023 13:23:26 GMT
Quid Pro Quo for me is the best post '86. Just ahead of UTI, HT, ISOTFC, with other better than average (Bula, RTYD). QPQ though has such an energy and inspiration. There is just something in this collection that keeps me coming back. I still recall the positive reaction on the boards when TWT debuted. Guitar solos and parts tremendous throughout. Such a quotable (yep!) , quotient (yep again ) of licks peppered all over this My playlist kicks off with four killers - TWT, Frozen Hero, Movin On (love the opening and wonderful riffing throughout), Dust to Gold. Some of the most vital latter day Quo bangers. Followed by a trio of Rossi/Young pop rock nuggets - Its All About You, Better than That, My Old Ways. Those seven in a row are as vibrant and even thrilling as Quo can be. Rick's Keep a Litle Light On is so infectious (particularly the verses and opening guitar parts), it's up there with the playlist opening seven. I understand the light/shade argument, QPQ existing more in shade, but if shade is this cool then shade it be Light returns on next albums. QPQ was released 43 years after the debut; an album of this high quality overall after four decades is quite the achievement.
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