sincity
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Post by sincity on Mar 9, 2023 19:44:54 GMT
Better Times shouldve been on the album, at what point i wonder did someone think that Tommy was a better track & should be on the album?  It's not on the album, it's a bonus track on cassette and CD versions. I know thats why i said " it shouldve been on the album" |
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Post by iamcomplaining88 on Mar 10, 2023 15:20:11 GMT
It's not on the album, it's a bonus track on cassette and CD versions. I know thats why i said " it shouldve been on the album" I wasn't quoting you about Better Times, I was quoting the comment about Tommy being on the album when it isn't on the album, it's a bonus track. |
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Post by frozenhero on Mar 14, 2023 10:06:16 GMT
I know thats why i said " it shouldve been on the album" I wasn't quoting you about Better Times, I was quoting the comment about Tommy being on the album when it isn't on the album, it's a bonus track. Arguably the CD of RTYD is "the album" since by 1991 the CD format had pretty much dominated over LP, and the other CD exclusive tracks don't strike me as filler. |
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Post by iamcomplaining88 on Mar 23, 2023 12:15:48 GMT
I wasn't quoting you about Better Times, I was quoting the comment about Tommy being on the album when it isn't on the album, it's a bonus track. Arguably the CD of RTYD is "the album" since by 1991 the CD format had pretty much dominated over LP, and the other CD exclusive tracks don't strike me as filler. We'll have to agree to disagree then, if the full CD version is "the album" as you say, then it would've been a double LP. Even though I don't hate Tommy like others do, it would still be considered a filler track if included on Vinyl, as would Price Of Love in my opinion. |
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Apr 3, 2023 20:42:29 GMT
Arguably the CD of RTYD is "the album" since by 1991 the CD format had pretty much dominated over LP, and the other CD exclusive tracks don't strike me as filler. We'll have to agree to disagree then, if the full CD version is "the album" as you say, then it would've been a double LP. Even though I don't hate Tommy like others do, it would still be considered a filler track if included on Vinyl, as would Price Of Love in my opinion. The 16 track version is the normal/full album, not just a deluxe version as this is what it was on cassette tape (which was very popular at the time) not just CD. I was surprised that the record only contained 10 tracks, although vinyl was already on the decline. Maybe one of our friends in the know could find out why? A bit like WYW for me, a lot of slower tempo tracks which I love, not a particularly frantic album. Plenty of fillers though so not up there with WYW in my favourites. |
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mortified
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Post by mortified on Apr 4, 2023 6:08:11 GMT
I was surprised to see that the vinyl only had 10 tracks on it. I didn't buy it at the time because by then I was only really buying CD's other than the odd cassette single. I have managed to grab a copy since though. I imagine that if they'd included the other tracks it would have to have been extended to a double album and the record company or whoever didn't want to go down that road; costs would have been the main reason probably. Although that's just a guess on my part. Does anyone have the vinyl of Thirsty Work? How many tracks are on that? The full 16? Because that would blow my theory out of the water  |
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Post by col on Apr 4, 2023 6:25:03 GMT
I was surprised to see that the vinyl only had 10 tracks on it. I didn't buy it at the time because by then I was only really buying CD's other than the odd cassette single. I have managed to grab a copy since though. I imagine that if they'd included the other tracks it would have to have been extended to a double album and the record company or whoever didn't want to go down that road; costs would have been the main reason probably. Although that's just a guess on my part. Does anyone have the vinyl of Thirsty Work? How many tracks are on that? The full 16? Because that would blow my theory out of the water I do have Thirsty Work on vinyl and it has all sixteen tracks on it, some may say unfortunately, I couldn't possibly comment. Mind you, I do remember a review of RTYD and the comment about the packaging was "no expense spent". |
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Post by Dark on Apr 4, 2023 9:11:25 GMT
I was surprised to see that the vinyl only had 10 tracks on it. I didn't buy it at the time because by then I was only really buying CD's other than the odd cassette single. I have managed to grab a copy since though. I imagine that if they'd included the other tracks it would have to have been extended to a double album and the record company or whoever didn't want to go down that road; costs would have been the main reason probably. Although that's just a guess on my part. Does anyone have the vinyl of Thirsty Work? How many tracks are on that? The full 16? Because that would blow my theory out of the water At 75 minutes in length, Rock 'Til You Drop definitely wouldn't fit on to a single piece of vinyl. Thirsty Work is 57 minutes long, which also sounds a bit long for vinyl, a side of which is usually about 25 minutes at the most. But maybe they squeezed some more on, or edited the tracks slightly, or Wikipedia is lying to me and it was less than 57 minutes. |
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Post by roquer on Apr 4, 2023 18:56:25 GMT
I was surprised to see that the vinyl only had 10 tracks on it. I didn't buy it at the time because by then I was only really buying CD's other than the odd cassette single. I have managed to grab a copy since though. I imagine that if they'd included the other tracks it would have to have been extended to a double album and the record company or whoever didn't want to go down that road; costs would have been the main reason probably. Although that's just a guess on my part. Does anyone have the vinyl of Thirsty Work? How many tracks are on that? The full 16? Because that would blow my theory out of the water At 75 minutes in length, Rock 'Til You Drop definitely wouldn't fit on to a single piece of vinyl. Thirsty Work is 57 minutes long, which also sounds a bit long for vinyl, a side of which is usually about 25 minutes at the most. But maybe they squeezed some more on, or edited the tracks slightly, or Wikipedia is lying to me and it was less than 57 minutes. I think most of the fault that it was cut to 10 tracks on vinyl is Forty-Five. I think 15 tracks could be possible to squeeze on one vinyl. I have LPs that have 70 minutes in total (but the sound is VERY compromised). Even thinking about it, it was normal at that time. Off the top of my head, I can say at least 5 LPs which have more than 30 minutes per side (and all of them are live albums!) |
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mortified
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Post by mortified on Apr 5, 2023 5:19:00 GMT
Of course, CD's could handle many more tracks than vinyl and I guess, while the vinyl was still outselling the compact disc, they had to try and match that medium. Impossible in some instances such as Rock 'til You Drop.But, from a personal point of view, I have thought for a long time now that there are too many songs on most CD's. The music companies would no doubt cite value for money and pat themselves on the back but quality suffered as a result. Quality of material that is. Songs that would have been shelved in the past ended up on official new releases. Remember that there were also 2 new B-sides with the singles at that time as well. Maybe Just Supposin' and Never Too Late is a half decent example. Had CD's been on the go at that time, would we have had one album instead of two? Not that I'm saying Never Too Late was full of leftovers and fillers; it wasn't. Or, at least, not for me. But there have been hints of that in interviews I've read fairly recently. Maybe its just me. I used to be able to handle an album that was 40 or so minutes long. Take me to 1¼ hours and my concentration is beginning to drift and I start thinking of my tea |
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Post by frozenhero on Apr 11, 2023 22:04:20 GMT
Of course, CD's could handle many more tracks than vinyl and I guess, while the vinyl was still outselling the compact disc, they had to try and match that medium. Impossible in some instances such as Rock 'til You Drop.But, from a personal point of view, I have thought for a long time now that there are too many songs on most CD's. The music companies would no doubt cite value for money and pat themselves on the back but quality suffered as a result. Quality of material that is. Songs that would have been shelved in the past ended up on official new releases. Remember that there were also 2 new B-sides with the singles at that time as well. Maybe Just Supposin' and Never Too Late is a half decent example. Had CD's been on the go at that time, would we have had one album instead of two? Not that I'm saying Never Too Late was full of leftovers and fillers; it wasn't. Or, at least, not for me. But there have been hints of that in interviews I've read fairly recently. IIRC Francis specifically mentioned in the deluxe liner notes that RTYD was initially meant to be two separate albums á la Just Supposin' and Never Too Late. Not sure why it eventually all got crammed on one CD (and the songs that didn't make the cut got released on b-sides), with only ten tracks on the LP. Thirsty Work also had enough extra material to fill two full LPs. Seems that the CD mentality (many tracks on one disc!) was a factor there. |
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