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Post by azza200 on Jun 2, 2018 19:08:40 GMT
Crazy to think Rick backed down on BDL yet Rossi had Rick play the nonsense soft shite Rossi was producing and putting on albums for decades.
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Post by Victor on Jun 2, 2018 19:27:07 GMT
Thirsty Work and Under The Influence were far far worse in my opinion, Quo lurching between Pip Williams and Mike Paxman only resulted in alternating between the overly poppy and the mind numbingly bland, I liked Francis's production on RTYD but he seemed to drop the baton completely on Thirsty Work, coupled with the direst of the Rossi/Frost output. Another proof that the Quo fan base is a very wide church cos I personally think Perfect Remedy doesn't get anywhere close to Under the Influence. I love the latter !
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 2, 2018 19:52:23 GMT
Wasn't like it was a one-off....Lean Machine had happened the year before. It was something that happened with just about every album after that. Heavy Daze, mysteries of the ball, madness....list goes on. Rhino said the mysteries of the ball was is his top 5 Quo songs....amazing that a band member can love a new song so much and still find the band leader says no to it being on the album. I get the impression that Rick quietly seethed, and thought sod him, let him do what he wants. No wonder he didn't bother writing a single song for TW I guess Rick felt like he was in a One Man Band
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 20:35:38 GMT
Thirsty Work and Under The Influence were far far worse in my opinion, Quo lurching between Pip Williams and Mike Paxman only resulted in alternating between the overly poppy and the mind numbingly bland, I liked Francis's production on RTYD but he seemed to drop the baton completely on Thirsty Work, coupled with the direst of the Rossi/Frost output. Another proof that the Quo fan base is a very wide church cos I personally think Perfect Remedy doesn't get anywhere close to Under the Influence. I love the latter ! i think it happens with bands who have been around for so long and have evolved so far soundwise, fans come on board at different points and for them that's their classic period. I first got told about Quo mid 70s so that for me was the highpoint, though I still enjoy hearing the songs live. TW, UTI and BQ are the only Quo albums I've listened to once after first receiving them and then shelved them and never bothered again, even the covers albums have had a few plays over the years but those three, TW in particular, left me despairing.
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Post by Victor on Jun 2, 2018 20:38:40 GMT
Another proof that the Quo fan base is a very wide church cos I personally think Perfect Remedy doesn't get anywhere close to Under the Influence. I love the latter ! i think it happens with bands who have been around for so long and have evolved so far soundwise, fans come on board at different points and for them that's their classic period. I first got told about Quo mid 70s so that for me was the highpoint, though I still enjoy hearing the songs live. TW, UTI and BQ are the only Quo albums I've listened to once after first receiving them and then shelved them and never bothered again, even the covers albums have had a few plays over the years but those there TW in particular left me despairing. Yea works different for everyone...I got familiarized with Quo around 75 and became a fan in 77... but where you feel the way you do about UTI, for me that album was like a breather after AC, PR and TW...
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Post by freewilly on Jun 3, 2018 1:03:50 GMT
I am absolutely baffled here...
1986: Army....An album filled full of covers and Rick's solo output.
1988: AC....An album full of Rick, Andy, Rhino/Jeff and Pip's songs...
1989: PR....An album written mostly by Rossi...His chance to show off, stick it to Alan and prove he was right....One of the worst flops and worst sounding albums ever under the name Quo
Not having a pop at the guy...Just, don't get it anymore
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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 3, 2018 2:36:31 GMT
Here's a piece of info from Pip himself;
"I believe Blondes Don't Lie was one of a whole batch of songs written by Rick and myself in my home studio around '88/'89. It was probably not considered good enough at the time for the PR album, but as you observe, some might consider it a darn sight better than some of the material that did make it!"
Talking also about Rock n' Roll Floorboards and Ricks solo album;
"To be honest, I don't remember anything about Rock 'n' Roll Floorboards!! Unfortunately, all I have to hand is an old cassette of the Recorded Delivery album.
I may well have a copy master tucked away in storage somewhere.
I can't be sure where the bootlegs emanated from. Copies get sent out to various territories and it's hard to keep track of them. These then get copied and before you know it, the copies get copied and are three or more generations circulating.
Certainly, the final mixes I delivered were as close to finished as damn it- ready for Rick and I to live with them and make final decisions.
After that, when the issue of Quo doing another album came along, the album was shelved, probably to focus all attention on any subsequent Quo release.
It was a bit of a shame that so many tracks were lifted for B-sides etc. Nice from a songwriter's financial point of view, but this effectively put paid to any chance of it being released as an album intact."
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Post by paradiseflats on Jun 3, 2018 8:25:21 GMT
Amazing really....one half of the duo, the co owner of SQ plc, and the producer....still not influential enough to get one of Rick's songs on an album. With hindsight, I wonder how much it hacked Rick off? Had it been finished, it would have been a killer of a track... Probably hacked him off quite a bit, and rightly so Killer track ? The vocal is shit, the sound is pish. All filler no killer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:09:23 GMT
I am absolutely baffled here... 1986: Army....An album filled full of covers and Rick's solo output. 1988: AC....An album full of Rick, Andy, Rhino/Jeff and Pip's songs... 1989: PR....An album written mostly by Rossi...His chance to show off, stick it to Alan and prove he was right....One of the worst flops and worst sounding albums ever under the name Quo Not having a pop at the guy...Just, don't get it anymore Me neither. Like when he insisted on doing ITAN, you would think he'd have wanted to take the band in that direction, but by AC, everybody else was writing the AOR stuff. Then the country songs on PR... Not one of them was released as a single and he had the say-so! Presumably because the record company couldn't give a f**k anymore. The management/RC helped create mixed messages about what fans wanted. RTYD was a great album but let down badly by the singles and overall promotion. If only Francis and the rest of the band could have seen that then we wouldn't have had TW.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jun 3, 2018 11:14:38 GMT
I am absolutely baffled here... 1986: Army....An album filled full of covers and Rick's solo output. 1988: AC....An album full of Rick, Andy, Rhino/Jeff and Pip's songs... 1989: PR....An album written mostly by Rossi...His chance to show off, stick it to Alan and prove he was right....One of the worst flops and worst sounding albums ever under the name Quo Not having a pop at the guy...Just, don't get it anymore Me neither. Like when he insisted on doing ITAN, you would think he'd have wanted to take the band in that direction, but by AC, everybody else was writing the AOR stuff. Then the country songs on PR... Not one of them was released as a single and he had the say-so! Presumably because the record company couldn't give a f**k anymore. The management/RC helped create mixed messages about what fans wanted. RTYD was a great album but let down badly by the singles and overall promotion. If only Francis and the rest of the band could have seen that then we wouldn't have had TW. RTYD a great album....was let down by largely pish songs. The promotion must have been ok. As I knew about the album even though I had given up on them by then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 12:01:50 GMT
Me neither. Like when he insisted on doing ITAN, you would think he'd have wanted to take the band in that direction, but by AC, everybody else was writing the AOR stuff. Then the country songs on PR... Not one of them was released as a single and he had the say-so! Presumably because the record company couldn't give a f**k anymore. The management/RC helped create mixed messages about what fans wanted. RTYD was a great album but let down badly by the singles and overall promotion. If only Francis and the rest of the band could have seen that then we wouldn't have had TW. RTYD a great album....was let down by largely pish songs. The promotion must have been ok. As I knew about the album even though I had given up on them by then. CGYM was going to be used on a TV ad but I doubt it would have charted much higher anyway because the single was sent round all the stations, so despite airplay only just scraped into the chart. Proof that it indeed was a pish song. RTYD (the single) was a late swap for Fakin' The Blues, on the advice from Radio 1 that FTB "sounded too much like Quo". Still only scraped into the chart whatever airplay it got. I can't understand why Quo bothered pandering to Radio 1. And the fact that they waited four years to do something about not getting paid for Party In The Park was ludicrous. Walker should have been sacked. The overall promotion Quo got at the time was OK but it was more about the charity aspect than the album.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jun 3, 2018 12:34:05 GMT
RTYD a great album....was let down by largely pish songs. The promotion must have been ok. As I knew about the album even though I had given up on them by then. CGYM was going to be used on a TV ad but I doubt it would have charted much higher anyway because the single was sent round all the stations, so despite airplay only just scraped into the chart. Proof that it indeed was a pish song. RTYD (the single) was a late swap for Fakin' The Blues, on the advice from Radio 1 that FTB "sounded too much like Quo". Still only scraped into the chart whatever airplay it got. I can't understand why Quo bothered pandering to Radio 1. And the fact that they waited four years to do something about not getting paid for Party In The Park was ludicrous. Walker should have been sacked. The overall promotion Quo got at the time was OK but it was more about the charity aspect than the album. Maybe if they hadn’t become a joke to any right thinking rock fan they could have done better. The Anniversary Waltz. Utter pish. It’s live sonny. No it’s shit Francis.
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Post by 4th Chord on Jun 3, 2018 12:42:57 GMT
Here's a piece of info from Pip himself;"I believe Blondes Don't Lie was one of a whole batch of songs written by Rick and myself in my home studio around '88/'89. It was probably not considered good enough at the time for the PR album, but as you observe, some might consider it a darn sight better than some of the material that did make it!" Talking also about Rock n' Roll Floorboards and Ricks solo album;
"To be honest, I don't remember anything about Rock 'n' Roll Floorboards!! Unfortunately, all I have to hand is an old cassette of the Recorded Delivery album. I may well have a copy master tucked away in storage somewhere. I can't be sure where the bootlegs emanated from. Copies get sent out to various territories and it's hard to keep track of them. These then get copied and before you know it, the copies get copied and are three or more generations circulating. Certainly, the final mixes I delivered were as close to finished as damn it- ready for Rick and I to live with them and make final decisions. After that, when the issue of Quo doing another album came along, the album was shelved, probably to focus all attention on any subsequent Quo release. It was a bit of a shame that so many tracks were lifted for B-sides etc. Nice from a songwriter's financial point of view, but this effectively put paid to any chance of it being released as an album intact." Did you save Pip’s posts from the old board?
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Post by 4th Chord on Jun 3, 2018 12:50:23 GMT
PR was the end of that version of Quo for me, although I did go see them a few times live afterwards, including the PR tour. Rick remained a phenom live.
The album went Cardboard in the UK I think?
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jun 3, 2018 13:21:59 GMT
Cheers. So was it recorded as a band with the other songs, or is this a Rick demo that Francis didn't like? "This Rick Parfitt & Pip Williams composition was recorded in 1989, in Nassau, in the Bahamas, during the sessions for the Perfect Remedy album. Despite producer Pip's belief that it was a stronger track than most on the finished article, it was somehow overlooked and remains unreleased to this day." - From the inner sleeve of the Japan release So yeah, a Rick demo that Rossi didn't like Remastered Version;-
I quite like that, it's got a bit of a "Big Man" feel about it, echoey voice and techno beat. I don't think I've heard this before. It's not Quo sound, though, more "Rick in a tin can." They never could "Do 80s".
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