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Post by rossiswaistcoat on Apr 3, 2018 9:59:05 GMT
Now you are changing the goal posts. Personally I’m glad Ricks albums gone well. But it’s not an amazing album to me. A large part is bang average to me. There isn’t one song on there that’ll be a favourite. For me it doesn’t give a fresh appraisal. I haven’t looked at the song writing credits but how much did he actually write? Guess that we will not know. Is he underrated well yes but that’s in some ways his own fault for not writing much good music since the early 80s. If you were to do the best of Rick tape 85-2018, you wouldn’t need much of a tape. Maybe a C30 to fit it all on. He did write and sing some great music. I don’t understand your use of the term rock n roll. As to me that’s music from the 50s. But that’s just me not understanding. But for me the best part is he has gone out on a positive note. Good Reviews and good will. Going out on a positive note. It’s so much better than the bad taste a large part of the Quo audience have been left with from how they are ending. For that alone I will raise a glass to the great man himself. I believe he wrote 8 of the 10, which (for Rick) was an incredible burst of creative energy at the end. Totally agree with you about the positive note I could imagine Rick on primetime ITV playing his album, perhaps as part of "an audience with", and I can truly imagine him entertaining millions with it. Playing rock n roll, I can't think of many who could do that. For me, rock n roll is anything rockin from chuck to motorhead. One of the things I am going to do is put a Rick playlist together. There's quite a lot there that aren't really right for Quo but I could accept as a Parfitt solo offering. When was the last time Francis truly worked on one of his songs, Little White Lies ? Off the top of my head.... BTB is poor, but No Contract is pure Parfitt if not Quo. The same for most albums following..... Overdose Loving Game Man Overboard Good Sign Heavy Days (Ok, nothing from Thirsty Work! But Temporary Friend ok as a solo song, terrible for Quo!) Obstruction Day Driving To Glory Shine On (Nothing from HT as they are all band efforts imo) Bellavista Man Old Familiar Blues Kick Me When I'm Down (cover, but very Rick) Alright Hold Me Reality Cheque Let's Rock All That Money Then there's the solo songs released a b sides - terrible for Quo, but enjoyable as solo outings: Don't Give It Up Heartburn Late Last Night Keep Me Guessing (fab track, sax all wrong for Quo, alright for Rick !) If Rick was here it would be nice to hear him sing his own songs such as too close to the ground and little white lies. Reckon I might need a C90 mate !  |
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 3, 2018 10:19:46 GMT
Now you are changing the goal posts. Personally I’m glad Ricks albums gone well. But it’s not an amazing album to me. A large part is bang average to me. There isn’t one song on there that’ll be a favourite. For me it doesn’t give a fresh appraisal. I haven’t looked at the song writing credits but how much did he actually write? Guess that we will not know. Is he underrated well yes but that’s in some ways his own fault for not writing much good music since the early 80s. If you were to do the best of Rick tape 85-2018, you wouldn’t need much of a tape. Maybe a C30 to fit it all on. He did write and sing some great music. I don’t understand your use of the term rock n roll. As to me that’s music from the 50s. But that’s just me not understanding. But for me the best part is he has gone out on a positive note. Good Reviews and good will. Going out on a positive note. It’s so much better than the bad taste a large part of the Quo audience have been left with from how they are ending. For that alone I will raise a glass to the great man himself. I believe he wrote 8 of the 10, which (for Rick) was an incredible burst of creative energy at the end. Totally agree with you about the positive note I could imagine Rick on primetime ITV playing his album, perhaps as part of "an audience with", and I can truly imagine him entertaining millions with it. Playing rock n roll, I can't think of many who could do that. For me, rock n roll is anything rockin from chuck to motorhead. One of the things I am going to do is put a Rick playlist together. There's quite a lot there that aren't really right for Quo but I could accept as a Parfitt solo offering. When was the last time Francis truly worked on one of his songs, Little White Lies ? Off the top of my head.... BTB is poor, but No Contract is pure Parfitt if not Quo. The same for most albums following..... Overdose Loving Game Man Overboard Good Sign Heavy Days (Ok, nothing from Thirsty Work! But Temporary Friend ok as a solo song, terrible for Quo!) Obstruction Day Driving To Glory Shine On (Nothing from HT as they are all band efforts imo) Bellavista Man Old Familiar Blues Kick Me When I'm Down (cover, but very Rick) Alright Hold Me Reality Cheque Let's Rock All That Money Then there's the solo songs released a b sides - terrible for Quo, but enjoyable as solo outings: Don't Give It Up Heartburn Late Last Night Keep Me Guessing (fab track, sax all wrong for Quo, alright for Rick !) If Rick was here it would be nice to hear him sing his own songs such as too close to the ground and little white lies. Reckon I might need a C90 mate ! From your list there are two decent songs. Such a waste. He isn't alone that he wrote a number of great songs then nothing of note. But 36 years is a long time to go without writing a great song. No wonder they moved on to other music. |
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Post by curiousgirl on Apr 3, 2018 10:51:52 GMT
Interesting list rossiswaistcoat. From the later Quo period, I found many of Rick's songs have really moved me, even if on the surface they seem quite simple. Francis many have written many more but my list of his later songs is about the same length. Shine On, Hold Me, Leave a Little Light on and Go, Go, Go. There are many on your list I don't know - the ones at the start. I discovered Shine On from fans discussing it here. I quite like Bellavista Man but it doesn't grab me in the way the ones I've listed do. Song writing it a curious creative process. I've never done but I do know plenty of songwriters. Some have songs pouring out of them. Others wait for inspiration. I suspect its rather like any creative process, if you have a gift for it, you still need to keep practising to come up with the gold. Don't know if Rick practised enough to keep mining the gold. But I like what he's left us. |
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 3, 2018 11:01:14 GMT
Interesting list rossiswaistcoat . From the later Quo period, I found many of Rick's songs have really moved me, even if on the surface they seem quite simple. Francis many have written many more but my list of his later songs is about the same length. Shine On, Hold Me, Leave a Little Light on and Go, Go, Go. There are many on your list I don't know - the ones at the start. I discovered Shine On from fans discussing it here. I quite like Bellavista Man but it doesn't grab me in the way the ones I've listed do. Song writing it a curious creative process. I've never done but I do know plenty of songwriters. Some have songs pouring out of them. Others wait for inspiration. I suspect its rather like any creative process, if you have a gift for it, you still need to keep practising to come up with the gold. Don't know if Rick practised enough to keep mining the gold. But I like what he's left us. You make a really interesting point. Peter Gabriel, now only writes music during the time he has free when his children are at school. Seems so limiting. As the genre of popular music develops it has led to a cultural divergence in musicians. Those who feel the need to create and produce new music to feel relevant and those who are willing to mine their early works repeatedly as the need or ability to write music has gone. Rick talked about having a block in song writing during the 90s. He appeared to be re energised by Rhino for a while but that ended when he moved to Spain, according to Rhino. In response to your point. Noddy Holder has always been a strange example. Him and Jim Lea were great song writers. Then Noddy at a pretty young age compared to his contemporaries, simply stopped no writing, no gigs. Just nothing. Wonder why the flame went out, never to be kindled. Seems amazing when he was so good and it was such a part of his life. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 12:00:00 GMT
Nod and Jim both just lost their passion for music, Slade had the massive 70s success then the huge dip when punk came along, then the unexpected resurgence in the early and mid 80s, though even when back playing clubs they were still producing fantastic records. For both of them though it was the age of playback and the inexplicable total lack of support from Polydor for their album You Boyz Make Big Noize, which was regarded by many critics and by Nod and Jim as some of their best material since the 70s heyday. The final straw was the complete abandonment of them by the record company for the release of Universe (an amazing song) and Radio Wall of Sound. Nod and Jim couldn't face the gradual decline again and going back to club tours and decided to throw in the towel. Both had interests outside Slade, Noddy doing radio dj-ing and Jim going to study psychology. Also as they did the writing and had earned most royalties they both had enough money not to have to keep working in the band whereas Dave and Don had no choice but to keep soldiering on live.
I do feel though that so much possible great material has been lost all through lack of record company interest. Sad to say they're unlikely to work musically together again due to Jim's health problems now, even if Nod could be persuaded to do one final Slade album and reunion tour.
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 3, 2018 12:14:08 GMT
Nod and Jim both just lost their passion for music, Slade had the massive 70s success then the huge dip when punk came along, then the unexpected resurgence in the early and mid 80s, though even when back playing clubs they were still producing fantastic records. For both of them though it was the age of playback and the inexplicable total lack of support from Polydor for their album You Boyz Make Big Noize, which was regarded by many critics and by Nod and Jim as some of their best material since the 70s heyday. The final straw was the complete abandonment of them by the record company for the release of Universe (an amazing song) and Radio Wall of Sound. Nod and Jim couldn't face the gradual decline again and going back to club tours and decided to throw in the towel. Both had interests outside Slade, Noddy doing radio dj-ing and Jim going to study psychology. Also as they did the writing and had earned most royalties they both had enough money not to have to keep working in the band whereas Dave and Don had no choice but to keep soldiering on live. I do feel though that so much possible great material has been lost all through lack of record company interest. Sad to say they're unlikely to work musically together again due to Jim's health problems now, even if Nod could be persuaded to do one final Slade album and reunion tour. Thank you for that. I have always wondered. As they were relatively young men at the time. |
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Post by rossiswaistcoat on Apr 3, 2018 12:21:33 GMT
Of course, not everyone will rate those Rick songs. But I like em, quite like em, or love em. Most of them have been around decades. When you still like a song from decades before, there's a quality there. Nothing is Rain or Mystery Song, but god, he set himself an impossibly high bar there. Lemmy rated MS as "certainly one of the top 5 rock n roll songs of all time".
Just remembered Lonely, Mysteries from the ball, Bring it on home, and One Man Band. All very enjoyable...
Some of my old mates used to say they didn't like Francis voice, but liked Quo when Rick was singing. Rick certainly could have gone solo.....such a shame the RC shafted him over Recorded Delivery. Francis, Rick and the RC all thought that if Francis couldn't make it solo, then Rick had no chance. They were all wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 16:53:18 GMT
Quo official site still showing #3.
Now why would they do a thing like that?
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Post by americanquo on Apr 11, 2018 19:52:12 GMT
Over and Out is much better than I'd anticipated. Top to bottom it's better than anything Quo has done since AL left.
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Post by rossiswaistcoat on Apr 23, 2018 20:48:31 GMT
Over and Out is much better than I'd anticipated. Top to bottom it's better than anything Quo has done since AL left.You may well be right. I think I need to wait 12 months before I can be sure. I've listened to it loads for month solid - not many new albums have that effect on me. That said, HT, QPQ, UTI and even AC were the same for me. |
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Post by paradiseflats on Apr 23, 2018 20:51:12 GMT
Over and Out is much better than I'd anticipated. Top to bottom it's better than anything Quo has done since AL left.You may well be right. I think I need to wait 12 months before I can be sure. I've listened to it loads for month solid - not many new albums have that effect on me. That said, HT, QPQ, UTI and even AC were the same for me. I think I’ve listened to it for the last time. It’s canny but not great. |
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Post by rossiswaistcoat on Apr 24, 2018 7:37:47 GMT
You may well be right. I think I need to wait 12 months before I can be sure. I've listened to it loads for month solid - not many new albums have that effect on me. That said, HT, QPQ, UTI and even AC were the same for me. I think I’ve listened to it for the last time. It’s canny but not great. I’m also now moving on to other things. For me the test will be whether or not I end up wanting to go back to it in years ahead. For me, that’s a great album. Too soon to tell. But I think I will |
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Post by americanquo on Apr 26, 2018 22:14:38 GMT
I certainly agree with the idea that Rick is the only member of Quo who could possibly have been successful as a solo artist. As for the album, I like it far more than I expected to & think it better than any Quo related studio albums released for at least 35 years - damning with faint praise there! I'm with you here. I kind of cringed thinking it would be embarrassing, but damned if it's not really good. Not FF Quo good, no, but Panto Quo (I still don't know what 'Panto' means) can only dreamed of releasing such a good album. |
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 26, 2018 22:45:16 GMT
Of course, not everyone will rate those Rick songs. But I like em, quite like em, or love em. Most of them have been around decades. When you still like a song from decades before, there's a quality there. Nothing is Rain or Mystery Song, but god, he set himself an impossibly high bar there. Lemmy rated MS as "certainly one of the top 5 rock n roll songs of all time". Just remembered Lonely, Mysteries from the ball, Bring it on home, and One Man Band. All very enjoyable... Some of my old mates used to say they didn't like Francis voice, but liked Quo when Rick was singing. Rick certainly could have gone solo.....such a shame the RC shafted him over Recorded Delivery. Francis, Rick and the RC all thought that if Francis couldn't make it solo, then Rick had no chance. They were all wrong. I think Rick had such a powerful and amazing voice way back when, and it really shows on most of the albums from the 80's! Especially the Army album and his solo material... and that, more than anything, is probably why he would have made it as a solo artist! His voice suited any genre where as Rossi's couldn't due to it being so nasally. and I'll add that Overdose is a fucking belter of a track |
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 26, 2018 22:47:03 GMT
I certainly agree with the idea that Rick is the only member of Quo who could possibly have been successful as a solo artist. As for the album, I like it far more than I expected to & think it better than any Quo related studio albums released for at least 35 years - damning with faint praise there! I'm with you here. I kind of cringed thinking it would be embarrassing I was in the same boat when I first looked at the track listing... Didn't think I'd like it and I thought it would have been cheesy, but nope, I was proven wrong |
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