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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 17, 2017 12:50:16 GMT
I actually find it easier to be objective about Quo because their albums even in the hey-day had plenty of light and shade. If the albums had all been decibels and 100mph throughout then I am not sure I would have become a fan as easily back in the 1970's. I never saw them even back then as an especially heavy rock band, so I haven't had expectations of them to be this or that in any black or white sort of way.
I like AC/DC but find after listening to too many of the songs that there is too little variation and that is the same impression with a lot of heavy rock bands. Its just my own impression of course, not saying what is right or wrong. Simply that probably my own music tastes are probably less hard rock orientated than many fans.
Somehow with Quo though, the melodies, the boogie theme broken up with the country and other influences, the different vocals that Francis, Rick and Alan brought in the early days, made them stand out as quite different from the bands they were compared with and its always puzzled me over all these years why they have this black and white appeal of having to fit a particular expectation with the music they play.
In this way, I didn't have too much problem with the increased variation and changes that happened beyond 1985 - although of course the unique dynamics had gone. The unique dynamics which make why plenty of other fans didn't want to know about them anymore beyond the hey-day, which is quite understandable.
CQ went wrong for me for not being true to the different dynamic and accepting it for what it was, so as to be true to themselves. Instead they insisted on trying to copy the old dynamic, more especially live and inevitably magnify their shortfalls to the original. It also meant that they continued to be compared to the original which further amplified the disaffection with alienated fans from the 70's. If they had drawn a line in the sand a long time back, the expectations of living up to the original would at least have been reduced.
But all this has got me back to talking about the past yet again. It does partly explain though why I would give them a chance even after being alienated myself in the 21st century.
dont you mean QUO was a under rated band back in the day...to be honest if I was dead right now...I would be turning in my grave ..cursing what rossi is doing to my boyhood heroes... I don't know how old you are Wolfy but you would have had to be dead a long time. Walloper and co have been turning graves since '76.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 12:52:55 GMT
He's done his best to alienate me also. But though it requires a radical attitude and perspective transplant to change things for the better on his behalf, this isn't just about him. Its the rest of the band showing what they are capable of beyond the straight-jacket of a rigid and soulless set. Other than you tube video, its difficult to judge Ritchie whilst he is only allowed to act as a session musician. But there is enough evidence away from his inhibited role with LNOTE to show he could make a significant difference if the same old was ditched and FR and management woke up to it all.
Come to think of it, the rest of the band are rather like session musicians, such is the extremely limited and unambitious remit of the band.
Unshackling them and starting to be innovative is not going to bring back the 1970's in any shape or form, but that is no longer the point because its all gone for good. It sure *could* make a difference to the here and now however. Subject to opinion of course.
Look at Rick and compare his playing on the reunion tours compared to after and before. Without a safety net, he was much improved. So yes it could change for the better. But I personally doubt whether Rhino or Andy want anything other than there comfortable shoes. Rhino couldn't challenge himself for some reason on the Aquostic shows and only played an electric bass. Both Rick and Francis were elevated by the reunion experiences. Its only Francis for his own unfathomable reasons who is determined to deny this. Rick was blown away by it.
This being a large part of the problem in terms of animating the LNOTE band and where an attitude and perspective transplant seems to be required. If your doubts about Rhino and Andy also prove correct then the (deliberate) objective of this thread is clearly in trouble.
That will be a highly disappointing squib for sure, and another opportunity spurned on top of previous spurned opportunities - but, for the time being at least, innocent on that until or if proven guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 12:58:04 GMT
I actually find it easier to be objective about Quo because their albums even in the hey-day had plenty of light and shade. If the albums had all been decibels and 100mph throughout then I am not sure I would have become a fan as easily back in the 1970's. I never saw them even back then as an especially heavy rock band, so I haven't had expectations of them to be this or that in any black or white sort of way.
I like AC/DC but find after listening to too many of the songs that there is too little variation and that is the same impression with a lot of heavy rock bands. Its just my own impression of course, not saying what is right or wrong. Simply that probably my own music tastes are probably less hard rock orientated than many fans.
Somehow with Quo though, the melodies, the boogie theme broken up with the country and other influences, the different vocals that Francis, Rick and Alan brought in the early days, made them stand out as quite different from the bands they were compared with and its always puzzled me over all these years why they have this black and white appeal of having to fit a particular expectation with the music they play.
In this way, I didn't have too much problem with the increased variation and changes that happened beyond 1985 - although of course the unique dynamics had gone. The unique dynamics which make why plenty of other fans didn't want to know about them anymore beyond the hey-day, which is quite understandable.
CQ went wrong for me for not being true to the different dynamic and accepting it for what it was, so as to be true to themselves. Instead they insisted on trying to copy the old dynamic, more especially live and inevitably magnify their shortfalls to the original. It also meant that they continued to be compared to the original which further amplified the disaffection with alienated fans from the 70's. If they had drawn a line in the sand a long time back, the expectations of living up to the original would at least have been reduced.
But all this has got me back to talking about the past yet again. It does partly explain though why I would give them a chance even after being alienated myself in the 21st century.
dont you mean QUO was a under rated band back in the day...to be honest if I was dead right now...I would be turning in my grave ..cursing what rossi is doing to my boyhood heroes... They were my heroes and most other fans heroes also. And yes, for reasons I gave I think they were highly underrated. Always have been. It seems absurd that they were tagged as always sounding for the same for the very reason I gave that to me they always had light and shade, plus melody to combine with rhythm and energy, and the variation with vocals on top.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Aug 17, 2017 13:09:14 GMT
I just don't think Francis got on very well with the other three. I don't think he and Rick have got on for years.
So he must have performed on stage with the FF through gritted teeth. You could see him really getting into the music, and playing some amazing guitar solos, but I don't think he really wanted to be on stage with any of them individually, and especially not when the other three were so into it. It must have just created a massive division between Frame and PLC, which ultimately resulted in the announcement of LNOTE, because Frame & Rick had had enough of each other. The pressure was on to do more FF gigs, but Frame stuck to his guns and said No means No.
Re the new band, with Richie: I think they're a really tight band. I think Rhino is a talented bass player - I enjoy his work with Rhino's Revenge, which shows him off as a very capable musician. The trouble is he is straight-jacketed by playing the Same Old Same Old set list. They must be able to do it in their sleep.
No way will Richie be given the chance to sing Big Fat Mama or Rain - that would be too much like trying to recreate Rick's style to the show.
I'd like to see them have a bash at Dust to Gold, but it won't happen.
They are trapped into keeping the setlist flowing along as is. Status Quo by name and Status Quo by nature.
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Post by freewilly on Aug 17, 2017 13:23:22 GMT
Nah sorry. Francis Rossi has alienated me, to the point where I don't care anymore. It's not Status Quo and never will be and I don't really care what the others do, with the exception of Andy. He's done his best to alienate me also. But though it requires a radical attitude and perspective transplant to change things for the better on his behalf, this isn't just about him. Its the rest of the band showing what they are capable of beyond the straight-jacket of a rigid and soulless set. Other than you tube video, its difficult to judge Ritchie whilst he is only allowed to act as a session musician. But there is enough evidence away from his inhibited role with LNOTE to show he could make a significant difference if the same old was ditched and FR and management woke up to it all.
Come to think of it, the rest of the band are rather like session musicians, such is the extremely limited and unambitious remit of the band.
Unshackling them and starting to be innovative is not going to bring back the 1970's in any shape or form, but that is no longer the point because its all gone for good. It sure *could* make a difference to the here and now however. Subject to opinion of course.
Being honest, I don't care what they are capable of.
Malone can't play the songs the way Rick could. Rhino can't play the songs the way Alan can Leon can't play the drums the way John can Andy can't sing like Rick could Rhino can't sing like Rick could.
I don't want the 70's back. I wasn't alive in the 70s so, why would I want them back?
So long as they are pretending to be Status Quo, nothing is going to interest me. It's always going to be compared to how Rick, Alan and John wrote and performed...And anything they do under that comparison, under the name Status Quo, is going to be labelled as shite.
Anyone wants to hear what Leon does, go buy his album Anyone wants to hear what Rhino does, go buy his album Same with Malone
Under the name Status Quo, there's two choices....Do Rossi's stuff or, try write something that sounds like the 70s stuff. Rossi already hates that and has made his feelings clear to Rhino about that (See his comments on Bad News)
Plus, Rossi said Radio 2 came up with the idea for Aquostic and the lead singles etc....
The whole thing about keeping the crew in work is rubbish too....I know the score, you really think that this band is their only line of work? You think the drum and guitar technicians rely on this band for work all year round?
It ain't going to change. Nothing is going get unleashed, nothing is going to broadcast other aspects of the musicians' talents in the band, it's done!
Time to put it to bed.
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Post by freewilly on Aug 17, 2017 13:24:08 GMT
He's done his best to alienate me also. But though it requires a radical attitude and perspective transplant to change things for the better on his behalf, this isn't just about him. Its the rest of the band showing what they are capable of beyond the straight-jacket of a rigid and soulless set. Other than you tube video, its difficult to judge Ritchie whilst he is only allowed to act as a session musician. But there is enough evidence away from his inhibited role with LNOTE to show he could make a significant difference if the same old was ditched and FR and management woke up to it all.
Come to think of it, the rest of the band are rather like session musicians, such is the extremely limited and unambitious remit of the band.
Unshackling them and starting to be innovative is not going to bring back the 1970's in any shape or form, but that is no longer the point because its all gone for good. It sure *could* make a difference to the here and now however. Subject to opinion of course.
Look at Rick and compare his playing on the reunion tours compared to after and before. Without a safety net, he was much improved. So yes it could change for the better. But I personally doubt whether Rhino or Andy want anything other than there comfortable shoes. Rhino couldn't challenge himself for some reason on the Aquostic shows and only played an electric bass. He couldn't/won't play Alan's bass lines right either
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 17, 2017 13:27:39 GMT
He's done his best to alienate me also. But though it requires a radical attitude and perspective transplant to change things for the better on his behalf, this isn't just about him. Its the rest of the band showing what they are capable of beyond the straight-jacket of a rigid and soulless set. Other than you tube video, its difficult to judge Ritchie whilst he is only allowed to act as a session musician. But there is enough evidence away from his inhibited role with LNOTE to show he could make a significant difference if the same old was ditched and FR and management woke up to it all.
Come to think of it, the rest of the band are rather like session musicians, such is the extremely limited and unambitious remit of the band.
Unshackling them and starting to be innovative is not going to bring back the 1970's in any shape or form, but that is no longer the point because its all gone for good. It sure *could* make a difference to the here and now however. Subject to opinion of course.
Being honest, I don't care what they are capable of.
Malone can't play the songs the way Rick could. Rhino can't play the songs the way Alan can Leon can't play the drums the way John can Andy can't sing like Rick could Rhino can't sing like Rick could.
I don't want the 70's back. I wasn't alive in the 70s so, why would I want them back?
So long as they are pretending to be Status Quo, nothing is going to interest me. It's always going to be compared to how Rick, Alan and John wrote and performed...And anything they do under that comparison, under the name Status Quo, is going to be labelled as shite.
Anyone wants to hear what Leon does, go buy his album Anyone wants to hear what Rhino does, go buy his album Same with Malone
Under the name Status Quo, there's two choices....Do Rossi's stuff or, try write something that sounds like the 70s stuff. Rossi already hates that and has made his feelings clear to Rhino about that (See his comments on Bad News)
Plus, Rossi said Radio 2 came up with the idea for Aquostic and the lead singles etc....
The whole thing about keeping the crew in work is rubbish too....I know the score, you really think that this band is their only line of work? You think the drum and guitar technicians rely on this band for work all year round?
It ain't going to change. Nothing is going get unleashed, nothing is going to broadcast other aspects of the musicians' talents in the band, it's done!
Time to put it to bed.
It should have been put to bed in '84 if you use your logic. I wish it had in some ways. Enjoyed nights out but like say Zeppelin glad they packed in when they did.
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Post by freewilly on Aug 17, 2017 14:04:18 GMT
Being honest, I don't care what they are capable of.
Malone can't play the songs the way Rick could. Rhino can't play the songs the way Alan can Leon can't play the drums the way John can Andy can't sing like Rick could Rhino can't sing like Rick could.
I don't want the 70's back. I wasn't alive in the 70s so, why would I want them back?
So long as they are pretending to be Status Quo, nothing is going to interest me. It's always going to be compared to how Rick, Alan and John wrote and performed...And anything they do under that comparison, under the name Status Quo, is going to be labelled as shite.
Anyone wants to hear what Leon does, go buy his album Anyone wants to hear what Rhino does, go buy his album Same with Malone
Under the name Status Quo, there's two choices....Do Rossi's stuff or, try write something that sounds like the 70s stuff. Rossi already hates that and has made his feelings clear to Rhino about that (See his comments on Bad News)
Plus, Rossi said Radio 2 came up with the idea for Aquostic and the lead singles etc....
The whole thing about keeping the crew in work is rubbish too....I know the score, you really think that this band is their only line of work? You think the drum and guitar technicians rely on this band for work all year round?
It ain't going to change. Nothing is going get unleashed, nothing is going to broadcast other aspects of the musicians' talents in the band, it's done!
Time to put it to bed.
It should have been put to bed in '84 if you use your logic. I wish it had in some ways. Enjoyed nights out but like say Zeppelin glad they packed in when they did. Was different for me. I grew up with the post 86 line up live. Sadly, never had the chance to see peak Quo so, I was clueless until 2013
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 15:02:07 GMT
He's done his best to alienate me also. But though it requires a radical attitude and perspective transplant to change things for the better on his behalf, this isn't just about him. Its the rest of the band showing what they are capable of beyond the straight-jacket of a rigid and soulless set. Other than you tube video, its difficult to judge Ritchie whilst he is only allowed to act as a session musician. But there is enough evidence away from his inhibited role with LNOTE to show he could make a significant difference if the same old was ditched and FR and management woke up to it all.
Come to think of it, the rest of the band are rather like session musicians, such is the extremely limited and unambitious remit of the band.
Unshackling them and starting to be innovative is not going to bring back the 1970's in any shape or form, but that is no longer the point because its all gone for good. It sure *could* make a difference to the here and now however. Subject to opinion of course.
Being honest, I don't care what they are capable of.
Malone can't play the songs the way Rick could. Rhino can't play the songs the way Alan can Leon can't play the drums the way John can Andy can't sing like Rick could Rhino can't sing like Rick could.
I don't want the 70's back. I wasn't alive in the 70s so, why would I want them back?
So long as they are pretending to be Status Quo, nothing is going to interest me. It's always going to be compared to how Rick, Alan and John wrote and performed...And anything they do under that comparison, under the name Status Quo, is going to be labelled as shite.
Anyone wants to hear what Leon does, go buy his album Anyone wants to hear what Rhino does, go buy his album Same with Malone
Under the name Status Quo, there's two choices....Do Rossi's stuff or, try write something that sounds like the 70s stuff. Rossi already hates that and has made his feelings clear to Rhino about that (See his comments on Bad News)
Plus, Rossi said Radio 2 came up with the idea for Aquostic and the lead singles etc....
The whole thing about keeping the crew in work is rubbish too....I know the score, you really think that this band is their only line of work? You think the drum and guitar technicians rely on this band for work all year round?
It ain't going to change. Nothing is going get unleashed, nothing is going to broadcast other aspects of the musicians' talents in the band, it's done!
Time to put it to bed.
The comparisons you made involved Alan and John from the 70's. But its not important, I get what you are saying - and it can all go round in circles for ever anyway.
I agree with a lot of your sentiments about the past. Its been frustrating, relative to being on Quo mb, anyway. I'm not angry about it because none of it can be changed. Its fine you think nothing is going to change looking ahead either, and I am only talking about some short term curiosity to see if there can be an improvement, in relative terms, from an underwhelming position. I've just decided I would prefer to do that while I am here than keep repeating what I don't like about it. Its as much boredom with me, almost as much as boredom with them.
Its not as if have been a raving supporter of anything for quite a while, I'm just trying to make the best of a bad job. Maybe it does seem pointless to quite a few here, but its my choice and just something else to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:56:31 GMT
Rock bands have always been like a bottle of orange cordial, they gradually get more and more diluted to the point where there's only a vague hint of the original, however the label on the bottle will always read "Orange". Agree with you there in the main but for a band like AC/DC they've dodged many bullets and tend to be more akin to whisky... I guess through not only their thumping rock but the genius of Angus. I think ACDC is an interesting point, when it was announced that Brian was having to retire on medical grounds and was being replaced by Axl Rose the hardcore fans went into complete meltdown about throwing away the band's legacy and how it would never work, I was sceptical knowing his unreliable reputation. When i saw them play though the whole band and Axl especially blew me away, yes the sound was different but they were rocking harder than I'd seen in the last few tours. Another point I often wonder is how ACDC would have turned out had they been able to secure the lead vocalist they really wanted after the death of Bon Scott, however Noddy Holder was too loyal to Slade even though they were in the musical doldrums, to accept the job.
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Post by Railroad17 on Aug 17, 2017 22:10:28 GMT
They're releasing an album containing ten new tracks in time for xmas. With the working title of "Rock Your Fucking Bollocks Off" the management hope to put the band back onto the hard rock road and put and end to the twiddle diddle "woe is me" era. The album will contain guest appearances from Alan Lancaster, who has a song called "Nutting The Ice Cream Man" on the album, and John Coghlan on drums.
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Post by townsvillequo on Sept 2, 2017 9:49:56 GMT
The funny thing is, probably many people have been turned off by Quo's use of keyboards. Yet despite being a big annoyance it wasn't enough for most of us to ditch Quo . On the other hand those who actually liked the keyboard sound has probably added to Quo's fan base.
Imo Francis was completely out of touch with what traditional Quo fans liked about Quo's music. Alan was totally in touch. Yeah it isn't a perfect world and so, it is what it is.
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