gav
Veteran Rocker Rollin'
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Favourite Quo Album: On The Level
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Post by gav on Aug 14, 2017 18:01:39 GMT
You know something.... I've thought that in the past...Which, if is true, is very fucking stupid from his point of view... Mark Knopfler? Dave Gilmour? The Edge anyone? Sure but hey never really had an image, Rossi was all about image, stick thin, waist coat and principally the hair. It was going right through the 70's but somehow he kept enough to be able not to detract from his stage image up to 1982. By 83 however the game was up, and I'm sure that influenced his attitude. You mean he wanted to get out the public eye because he was balding? Hence EOTR? Interesting take! |
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Post by freewilly on Aug 15, 2017 8:35:16 GMT
Sure but hey never really had an image, Rossi was all about image, stick thin, waist coat and principally the hair. It was going right through the 70's but somehow he kept enough to be able not to detract from his stage image up to 1982. By 83 however the game was up, and I'm sure that influenced his attitude. You mean he wanted to get out the public eye because he was balding? Hence EOTR? Interesting take! Nope.
What he means is, Rossi's image was that of a rock star. The long hair, guitar, jeans, headbanging etc Losing his hair meant his image for that music was gone, hence the ponytail, suit jacket, shoes, white socks and pop/country music.
Even on stage is persona changed. He was skipping around the stage, as if he was a child in the school yard, during the 86 and 88 tours.
It would certainly go some way to explaining why he demanded Alan compromise but, wouldn't compromise on Alan and Rick's wants and needs.
Either that or, he's a power hungry, manipulative, control freak
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Post by clonesydney on Aug 20, 2017 18:59:39 GMT
You mean he wanted to get out the public eye because he was balding? Hence EOTR? Interesting take! Nope.
What he means is, Rossi's image was that of a rock star. The long hair, guitar, jeans, headbanging etc Losing his hair meant his image for that music was gone, hence the ponytail, suit jacket, shoes, white socks and pop/country music.
Even on stage is persona changed. He was skipping around the stage, as if he was a child in the school yard, during the 86 and 88 tours.
It would certainly go some way to explaining why he demanded Alan compromise but, wouldn't compromise on Alan and Rick's wants and needs.
Either that or, he's a power hungry, manipulative, control freak
You're right, that's exactly what I meant! |
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Post by freewilly on Aug 21, 2017 9:14:05 GMT
For the record, I'm receding/balding.
I am in my bollix going to change my attitude towards music because of it.
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Post by 4th Chord on Aug 21, 2017 9:36:50 GMT
For the record, I'm receding/balding. I am in my bollix going to change my attitude towards music because of it. Explain THIS on your Facebook page then? |
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Post by freewilly on Aug 21, 2017 11:19:39 GMT
For the record, I'm receding/balding. I am in my bollix going to change my attitude towards music because of it. Explain THIS on your Facebook page then? I almost would post it for the laugh.
Although, I did post a Rick Astley performance with the Foo Fighters this morning
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Post by kachunk on Aug 22, 2017 0:08:00 GMT
There was a story years ago by one of Rossi's ex's (Liz Gernon if I remember correctly) that Francis was given some foul smelling hair loss cream by Colin Johnson,who was also using it at the time.
There was also a 1968 article,reprinted in the 1979 biography,about Rossi's greatest fear:It was,of course,going bald.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 22, 2017 13:45:56 GMT
There was a story years ago by one of Rossi's ex's (Liz Gernon if I remember correctly) that Francis was given some foul smelling hair loss cream by Colin Johnson,who was also using it at the time. There was also a 1968 article,reprinted in the 1979 biography,about Rossi's greatest fear:It was,of course,going bald. I remember that article from 1968. I thought he was rather brave then to even think about it (other pop stars didn't). I have to say that the "projected hairless Rossi" looked a lot dodgier than the real hairless Rossi of today. IN reality hair loss is about as stoppable as the Common Cold. Francis was quite sensible to use it as a publicity stunt a few times, it's the only benefit he will ever get from it! |
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 6, 2017 13:03:16 GMT
You mean he wanted to get out the public eye because he was balding? Hence EOTR? Interesting take! Nope.
What he means is, Rossi's image was that of a rock star. The long hair, guitar, jeans, headbanging etc Losing his hair meant his image for that music was gone, hence the ponytail, suit jacket, shoes, white socks and pop/country music.
Even on stage is persona changed. He was skipping around the stage, as if he was a child in the school yard, during the 86 and 88 tours.
It would certainly go some way to explaining why he demanded Alan compromise but, wouldn't compromise on Alan and Rick's wants and needs.
Either that or, he's a power hungry, manipulative, control freak
I haven't seen a lot of the 80s footage. However what did catch my eye on some 1982 clips was how much Alan's stage presence seemed at odds with Francis' and Rick's. To an extent, I can see where the "image" conflict came from. And it isn't just Francis that changed. Alan doesn't look so overtly 'macho' (yeah I know  ) in the 70s clips. Make of that what you will. I see it as both pulling in different directions, neither of which was all that well suited to good ol' Quo... |
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 6, 2017 13:03:57 GMT
I agree totally that a few mistakes playing wise is ok with a rock band like quo used to be. It added to the character of what the band was and never used to bother me in the slightest, especially that day/night at Milton Keynes bowl. It was such a great party atmosphere all day, i got pissed and fell asleep laying on the grass for about an hour before quo came on, and woke up to the "drone" and people cheering. Would love to have a DVD of the ABSOLUTE full show, with all the inane (at times) banter and all the fuck-ups, warts and all. Sadly that's never gonna happen if it's true about the tapes being lost in a fire or something.Some of the full audio tapes has been discovered, I think. It'll take time to put it all together though. |
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Post by freewilly on Sept 6, 2017 13:07:03 GMT
Nope.
What he means is, Rossi's image was that of a rock star. The long hair, guitar, jeans, headbanging etc Losing his hair meant his image for that music was gone, hence the ponytail, suit jacket, shoes, white socks and pop/country music.
Even on stage is persona changed. He was skipping around the stage, as if he was a child in the school yard, during the 86 and 88 tours.
It would certainly go some way to explaining why he demanded Alan compromise but, wouldn't compromise on Alan and Rick's wants and needs.
Either that or, he's a power hungry, manipulative, control freak
I haven't seen a lot of the 80s footage. However what did catch my eye on some 1982 clips was how much Alan's stage presence seemed at odds with Francis' and Rick's. To an extent, I can see where the "image" conflict came from. And it isn't just Francis that changed. Alan doesn't look so overtly 'macho' (yeah I know ) in the 70s clips. Make of that what you will. I see it as both pulling in different directions, neither of which was all that well suited to good ol' Quo... Picture recently posted of Rick, Alan and Francis on stage at Donington in 1982
Francis looked like he was in the wrong band compared to the two of them, which funnily enough, turned out to be very true 
The 70's footage, Wembley and Madrid, topless wearing a biker leather jacket and a muscle vest and chains in the other.....Can't see how that's any different to wearing a sleeveless t shirt in 82 and 84 and a denim shirt in 85 at Live Aid
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 6, 2017 13:08:54 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of the 80s footage. However what did catch my eye on some 1982 clips was how much Alan's stage presence seemed at odds with Francis' and Rick's. To an extent, I can see where the "image" conflict came from. And it isn't just Francis that changed. Alan doesn't look so overtly 'macho' (yeah I know ) in the 70s clips. Make of that what you will. I see it as both pulling in different directions, neither of which was all that well suited to good ol' Quo... Picture recently posted of Rick, Alan and Francis on stage at Donington in 1982
Francis looked like he was in the wrong band compared to the two of them.
The 70's footage, Wembley and Madrid, topless wearing a biker leather jacket and a muscle vest and chains in the other.....Can't see how that's any different to wearing a sleeveless t shirt in 82 and 84 and a denim shirt in 85 at Live Aid
I don't mean looks/cloths so much as what you were on about before - stage presence. Alan looks like he's desperately trying to be cool in some of those live vids I've seen. Okay, maybe he had to, standing next to Francis. But still... |
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Post by freewilly on Sept 6, 2017 13:21:27 GMT
Picture recently posted of Rick, Alan and Francis on stage at Donington in 1982
Francis looked like he was in the wrong band compared to the two of them.
The 70's footage, Wembley and Madrid, topless wearing a biker leather jacket and a muscle vest and chains in the other.....Can't see how that's any different to wearing a sleeveless t shirt in 82 and 84 and a denim shirt in 85 at Live Aid
I don't mean looks/cloths so much as what you were on about before - stage presence. Alan looks like he's desperately trying to be cool in some of those live vids I've seen. Okay, maybe he had to, standing next to Francis. But still... Jesus And you and others give me grief for looking too much into things with Francis? Hypocritical much no?
Give me an example then?
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Post by frozenhero on Sept 6, 2017 13:32:43 GMT
I don't mean looks/cloths so much as what you were on about before - stage presence. Alan looks like he's desperately trying to be cool in some of those live vids I've seen. Okay, maybe he had to, standing next to Francis. But still... Jesus And you and others give me grief for looking too much into things with Francis? Hypocritical much no?
Give me an example then?
No, just bringing balance to the force - as I always try to do (when I can be bothered) It was a general impression based on my watching of the XS All Areas DVD. I just felt AL comes across as very grimly serious whereas the others take everything a bit more light-heartedly. Of course you can say my impression of Quo is coloured from being more familiar with the post-AL live 'stance', which emphasized that 'fun' element even more. It just seems like the visual manifestation of what Francis has (exaggeratedly so) explained as AL trying to make the band go with the hard rock / heavy metal trend of the era. People blame this or that for the commercialization of Quo, the cheap stunts, etc., but I think a lot of these elements were in place long before they really became obvious. "Dreamin'" was written in the early 70s after all. |
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Post by curiousgirl on Sept 6, 2017 13:42:35 GMT
I think looking at things with hindsight is often 20/20.
Growing up with the band, I didn't notice them pulling in different directions.
However, I think the creative tension and differences between them were behind the creation of that amazing sound which Rossiwaistcoat's thread on Hello beautifully illustrates.
It is simply sad to me that they couldn't tolerate their differences to create the music. But that is what happened and I accept that.
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) in the 70s clips. Make of that what you will. I see it as both pulling in different directions, neither of which was all that well suited to good ol' Quo...
