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Post by Quoincidence on Jun 19, 2017 22:46:20 GMT
Yep....Bono and Madonna can't carry a tune at all I'm guessing Pavarotti was a karaoke singer and Barcelona was done on auto-tune for you yes? All that does is prove I'm right. They're shite. Bonio is so bad, his band have to detune their instruments by a half step because the annoying fat prick can't sing in standard pitch. Madge is just as feckin bad. She sounds like a sack of cats getting pushed through a mangle. But hey - if you like them, knock yourself out. Makes no difference to me. Not everyone has a wide vocal range. there's no point Bono forcing himself to try and sing in a pitch thats out of his range and damaging his voice. My band have had to change the key of a song plenty of times for it to fit the singers vocal range... I don't see how their singing can be judged from that? |
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Jun 20, 2017 7:08:54 GMT
Not everyone has a wide vocal range. there's no point Bono forcing himself to try and sing in a pitch thats out of his range and damaging his voice. My band have had to change the key of a song plenty of times for it to fit the singers vocal range... I don't see how their singing can be judged from that? Changing the key ain't the same as dropping the tuning half a step. Bonio is flat...that's a fact. But hey....music is subjective - one man's meat is another man's mutton. Millions of folk like the pretentious ringpiece. I'm not one of them. The let's changed as a lot of singers from the 20th century can't hit the same high notes that they used to. I don't see what you don't understand about that to be honest. |
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 7:50:50 GMT
Not everyone has a wide vocal range. there's no point Bono forcing himself to try and sing in a pitch thats out of his range and damaging his voice. My band have had to change the key of a song plenty of times for it to fit the singers vocal range... I don't see how their singing can be judged from that? Changing the key ain't the same as dropping the tuning half a step. Bonio is flat...that's a fact. But hey....music is subjective - one man's meat is another man's mutton. Millions of folk like the pretentious ringpiece. I'm not one of them. Actually yep, one of their recent setlists shows he's always in flat keys.
Out of Control was played in A Major I Will Follow in E major Vertigo in E Major Iris in E major Raised By Wolves in Dm Until The End Of The World in G major Even Better Than The Real Thing in A Major Angel Of Harlem in B major Where The Streets Have No Name in D Major Pride in D Major Beautiful Day in A Major Ultraviolet in E Major Elevation in E Major Every Breaking Wave in A Major Bad in G major Sunday Bloody Sunday in Am Running To Stand Still in D major
You're right....Always singing in flat keys. Made me look a right tit
Btw, changing the tuning of your instrument is the exact same as changing the key 
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 7:59:25 GMT
Actually yep, one of their recent setlists shows he's always in flat keys.
Out of Control was played in A Major I Will Follow in E major Vertigo in E Major Iris in E major Raised By Wolves in Dm Until The End Of The World in G major Even Better Than The Real Thing in A Major Angel Of Harlem in B major Where The Streets Have No Name in D Major Pride in D Major Beautiful Day in A Major Ultraviolet in E Major Elevation in E Major Every Breaking Wave in A Major Bad in G major Sunday Bloody Sunday in Am Running To Stand Still in D major
You're right....Always singing in flat keys. Made me look a right tit
So what?....the guitars were all tuned DOWN ONE HALF STEP! Therefore, if you play an A chord on the fifth fret, it LOOKS like you are playing A, but you are actually playing A flat. I thought you were a guitarist? Put your U2 CDs on, pick up your standard tuned guitar and try to play along. You won't be able to do it, unless you play everything in flats. Thin Lizzy were the same. Maybe it's an Irish thing. What key is this in?
What tuning is that?
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 9:40:55 GMT
What key is this in?
What tuning is that?
That song is in the key of E major, played on a standard tuned guitar. So what?...it doesn't change facts, as this little piece proves. I draw your attention to the seven words after the guitar tuning notation....  You said every U2 song is tuned half a step down. You said it was a fact.
I have shown it's not a fact.
As for the recording side
Three examples of recordings not tuned down and all in major keys. Again, it's not a fact what you say.
Apologies for anyone who finds this tedious but, it's better than talking about Aquostic at Glastonbury
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Post by Gaz on Jun 20, 2017 10:00:46 GMT
Detuned, flat, sharp, chords.. whatever, you should hear me singing karaoke. You all would appreciate Bono, Madonna, even Kylie Minogue after my attempts at singing eh
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 10:56:41 GMT
freewilly ....nowhere in this thread did I say "EVERY U2 SONG"....go through the thread again, and copy and paste on here exactly where I said that. What I DID say, was that U2 detune their guitars by a half step - something I have now categorically proved...or are you telling me that The Edge himself is talking shite?...and the magazine in which he spoke? You've been proved wrong (which wasn't difficult) and now you are trying to deflect by putting words in my mouth. Go read the peice I posted again, but this time, try to understand it. You said they have to re-tune their guitars because he can't sing in standard pitch...Thus meaning they can't play any song in standard pitch and I have proved you wrong.
Only person here who has been proved wrong, is you. I know they de-tuned their guitars for certain songs. I'm fully aware of that...But, I never said they had to because he can't sing in standard pitch
More to the point, The Edge plays a lot of open notes and harmonics...He has to re-tune his guitar for that on certain songs, never mind Bono's vocal. Same way Rick done that tuning for Mystery Song, Backwater etc. It's not always about vocals
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 11:10:49 GMT
You said they have to re-tune their guitars because he can't sing in standard pitch...Thus meaning they can't play any song in standard pitch and I have proved you wrong.
Only person here who has been proved wrong, is you. I know they de-tuned their guitars for certain songs. I'm fully aware of that...But, I never said they had to because he can't sing in standard pitch
More to the point, The Edge plays a lot of open notes and harmonics...He has to re-tune his guitar for that on certain songs, never mind Bono's vocal. Same way Rick done that tuning for Mystery Song, Backwater etc. It's not always about vocals
I see...so now you're saying I DIDN'T say "every U2 song is detuned"?....thanks, but I already knew that. The FACT remains - U2 detuned their guitars by half a step on the "majority of their recorded output". A fact confirmed by the Edge himself, more than once. Anybody who plays the guitar knows this to be true. As for harmonics, you don't need to detune a guitar to play those, as I'm sure you know. Rick's tunings are for effect and ease of playing - nothing to do with modelling them around vocals. None of them are tuned flat, except for Over the Edge, which is his GG tuning dropped half a step into F#(G flat). I'm not arguing the point that they did or didn't. I know they did. I'm arguing the point you said he can't sing in standard pitch, which he clearly can and clearly does. If you say he can't, it means they had to re-tune on all their songs.
Yeah you do...I Will Follow was recorded in D#...It's now played in E...He's going to have to retune the guitar to play them, unless he wants to do it the complicated way.
True but, Mystery Song and Backwater and Just Take me would not be the same without them
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 11:25:36 GMT
I'm not arguing the point that they did or didn't. I know they did. I'm arguing the point you said he can't sing in standard pitch, which he clearly can and clearly does. If you say he can't, it means they had to re-tune on all their songs.
Yeah you do...I Will Follow was recorded in D#...It's now played in E...He's going to have to retune the guitar to play them, unless he wants to do it the complicated way.
True but, Mystery Song and Backwater and Just Take me would not be the same without them
Of course he can sing. Everybody can sing. I just think he's feckin shite. As for the harmonics, it doesn't matter what key it was written in (D# is Eb, you know)....if the guitar is tuned down half a step, and you play a harmonic note, it will still be in exactly the same place on the fretboard when you tune back up to standard. It won't move around. Correct....those songs need that tuning, but it wasn't done to suit a vocalist - it was done to suit the song. Maybe the Edge just likes to detune his guitar, or maybe Bonio PREFERS singing half a step down, who knows? Or cares? The point is, they do it and have always done it. From "Boy" to the present day. If the song is in E, you can't play the harmonics in that key, on a guitar tuned down. Unless you do it the complicated way. That's my point! I'm fully aware how harmonics work!
Nah, they stopped doing it in the 90's onwards
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jun 20, 2017 11:34:46 GMT
I recall interviews with Francis from the 70's where he would stoutly defend Quo fans - saying they were intelligent and also listened to stuff like Floyd. I took that to mean he liked them.
Think he's been chasing controversy in his interviews for some years now.
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 12:23:05 GMT
If the song is in E, you can't play the harmonics in that key, on a guitar tuned down. Unless you do it the complicated way. That's my point! I'm fully aware how harmonics work!
Nah, they stopped doing it in the 90's onwards
If your guitar is in standard tuning, your E string harmonic is on the 12th fret. It's an E note. If you detune the same string to Eb, the harmonic Eb flat note is STILL on the 12th fret, it's now an Eb harmonic, bit it's in the same place on the fretboard. Same with all the other strings. The harmonics the Edge plays in "I Will Follow" for example, whatever strings he plays them on, will all be in the same place on the fretboard no matter if his guitar is in standard tuning, or dropped to Eb. Nothing complicated about that. It makes no difference at all. Fucking hell... If they're playing I Will Follow in E, The Edge can't use a guitar tuned half a step down to play the harmonics in that key... That's what I was saying |
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 12:47:42 GMT
Fucking hell... If they're playing I Will Follow in E, The Edge can't use a guitar tuned half a step down to play the harmonics in that key... That's what I was saying If they're playing I Will Follow in E, why the fuck would the Edge be using a guitar tuned a half step down??? He would be using a standard tuned guitar, wouldn't he?...you're just rambling now. I said sometimes it's not always on the vocal, the reason for tuning down the guitars. I said The Edge plays a lot of harmonics and open strings and that's not possible for him to do so when the guitar is tuned for a different key. He can play the chords and solo but, can't play the open strings and harmonics for that key
So therefore, it's not always just because of a singer's vocal range as to why a guitar is tuned differently to standard tuning. That's what I was saying
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 13:03:19 GMT
I said sometimes it's not always on the vocal, the reason for tuning down the guitars. I said The Edge plays a lot of harmonics and open strings and that's not possible for him to do so when the guitar is tuned for a different key. He can play the chords and solo but, can't play the open strings and harmonics for that key
So therefore, it's not always just because of a singer's vocal range as to why a guitar is tuned differently to standard tuning. That's what I was saying
For fuck sake, Freewilly.....what part of this aren't you getting? The Edge uses more than one guitar on stage - one is tuned as standard, one is tuned a half step down. When he is playing songs in standard pitch, he uses a standard tuned guitar - no problem with harmonics in ANY key. When he is playing songs that they recorded half a step down, he changes to the detuned guitar - again, no problem with harmonics in ANY key on that guitar either. Why would he even CONTEMPLATE performing a song in flats on a standard tuned guitar? Answer - he wouldn't. While all this going on, Adam Clayton either changes from his standard tuned bass, or plays it in flats. Easier for a bass player. I don't get what you aren't grasping about this.....playing harmonics doesn't even enter the equation, as long as he is using the correctly tuned guitar for whatever particular song he's playing. As a very rich, experienced, gigging musician, I'm fecking sure he would be. So basically you're after telling me exactly what I've been saying the last page or so, whilst trying to make me sound like an incompetent guitarist, who hasn't a clue and you're Jimi Hendrix?
There's a word in my head right now...
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 13:11:31 GMT
So basically you're after telling me exactly what I've been saying the last page or so, whilst trying to make me sound like an incompetent guitarist, who hasn't a clue and you're Jimi Hendrix?
There's a word in my head right now...
Nope. You've been rabbiting pish about not being able to play harmonics because of a detuned guitar, and/or not being able to play harmonics because of a standard tuned guitar. Not my problem if you can't explain yourself properly, is it? Oh and show me where I insulted your playing capability? Get a fucking grip, for fuck sake. Get to fuck ya absolute ignorant shite.
I explained myself properly. Not my fault you couldn't understand it or decided to talk to me as if I'm a novice for a WUM
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Post by freewilly on Jun 20, 2017 13:26:50 GMT
Get to fuck ya absolute ignorant shite.
I explained myself properly. Not my fault you couldn't understand it or decided to talk to me as if I'm a novice for a WUM
Aah...it's abuse time, is it?....you really want to go down that road? You explained fuck all, as anyone reading this can see. You came on, all guns blazing, saying U2 don't detune their guitars, putting up wee videos like a feckin madman. I proved to you that they DO detune their guitars, and have been doing so from day one. You finally admitted that yes, they do. Then you started rabbiting horseshite about the Edge not being able to play his harmonics on a detuned guitar if the song was in standard tuning - as if ANY fucking guitar player would play a song in standard pitch on a detuned guitar. Then you claimed you weren't saying that at all! Away and lie in yer own pish, ya bawsack. I'm away to chill in the garden with a few coldies. I suggest you do the same. That's my fucking point you absolute gobshite! When song is in a flat key, he has to use a guitar tuned differently but of course, you can't help it can you?! You're big bad, "my balls are so big I need a wheelbarrow and everything is shite" Davy..
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