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Post by Victor on Apr 17, 2016 13:17:32 GMT
Yep. I kept listening too after 82, in the false hope something would get better again... I even went to a few gigs back then... but it just was nothing like it had been before 83... It never came back untill the reunion. Yes, there are some CQ albums I do like (UTI, QPQ) but it never ever was nor will be the same as the FF If CQ had made the Live experience more exciting in terms of actually playing much more of their better back catalogue I would have definitely gone to more gigs than I have. It is this that is my beef with them more than anything - much as seems to repeatedly annoy those who go to see the band out of that complete loyalty that dennis mentions, irrespective of either their promotion or Live product.
Besides, money isn't always easy to come by for all of us. That means that such decisions as to where it is spent if and when it becomes available take on even more importance.
However, if I did have more money to burn, I would still not be choosing to go to the last electric tour (let alone follow CQ around Europe) based on the stance that they have taken to the finish
All this makes the memories of what it was like as a fan back in the 70's even more stark.
Agreed completely Catlady Let's not even go to the darn setlist...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 13:32:45 GMT
If CQ had made the Live experience more exciting in terms of actually playing much more of their better back catalogue I would have definitely gone to more gigs than I have. It is this that is my beef with them more than anything - much as seems to repeatedly annoy those who go to see the band out of that complete loyalty that dennis mentions, irrespective of either their promotion or Live product.
Besides, money isn't always easy to come by for all of us. That means that such decisions as to where it is spent if and when it becomes available take on even more importance.
However, if I did have more money to burn, I would still not be choosing to go to the last electric tour (let alone follow CQ around Europe) based on the stance that they have taken to the finish
All this makes the memories of what it was like as a fan back in the 70's even more stark.
Agreed completely Catlady Let's not even go to the darn setlist... Some point to the fact that the FF didn't change their set list much and therefore criticism of CQ is not legitimate.
The difference back in the 70's was that much of the material, was the product of studio jam session without the priority on mechanical means of production to produce songs as 'smaller packages' that increasingly started appearing afterwards. This theme was then wholeheartedly embraced and accelerated through the CQ regime. Songs that appeared on albums became more and more the product of processed individual layers of members playing and singing, rather than a raw total sum of all members in a 'magic circle' putting their all into the hat.
On the basis of much more ad-libbing (geared towards live sound) it made it possible to structure a set around such songs very flexibly. With a healthy proportion of newer material being added to the set with each album release, it further made it possible to keep the gig spontaneous and exciting. Plus of course the material was original and not copied by a previous incarnation of themselves. The copies that did exist as such, were copies of other artists - and were re-created right into this ad-libbed live approach. Look at RHB as an obvious example.
A much different approach to 'entertain' the 70's fan compared to the approaches and techniques employed by the modern day management and band.
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Post by dennis on Apr 17, 2016 15:18:04 GMT
Yep. I kept listening too after 82, in the false hope something would get better again... I even went to a few gigs back then... but it just was nothing like it had been before 83... It never came back untill the reunion. Yes, there are some CQ albums I do like (UTI, QPQ) but it never ever was nor will be the same as the FF If CQ had made the Live experience more exciting in terms of actually playing much more of their better back catalogue I would have definitely gone to more gigs than I have. It is this that is my beef with them more than anything - much as seems to repeatedly annoy those who go to see the band out of that complete loyalty that dennis mentions, irrespective of either their promotion or Live product.
Besides, money isn't always easy to come by for all of us. That means that such decisions as to where it is spent if and when it becomes available take on even more importance.
However, if I did have more money to burn, I would still not be choosing to go to the last electric tour (let alone follow CQ around Europe) based on the stance that they have taken to the finish
All this makes the memories of what it was like as a fan back in the 70's even more stark.
It has amazed me how much of the set is still rooted in the '70s, how little it has evolved to reflect the bands output over the last 3-3.5 decades. Howver, it wouldn't have made much difference to me as by '86 they just didn't sound sufficiently like Quo to me so I never went to another gig, until the reunions.
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Post by curiousgirl on Apr 17, 2016 15:31:24 GMT
Didn't sound right to me neither Dennis. And I doubt I would have continued much past 86, if I'd stayed with them. The first full CQ gig I heard was the R2 in 2011. It was fun but I knew something wasn't right and I couldn't put my finger on it. Until I came to these boards and then the mystery was revealed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 15:55:48 GMT
I think probably in my case if I had lost interest in them completely post 86 and didn't like any of the recorded product, I probably wouldn't be a member of this, or the previous mb's.
As it was, I kept a lower gear background interest in them than the one pre 85, bought a fair amount of the recorded product (destined to be largely untouched live) and essentially had put the best glory years right in the past as been and gone.
However, joining up to a Quo mb, reading a whole panorama of views I didn't know existed, and then most especially seeing the reunions take place against what had seemed like very small odds, has rather put the last 30 yrs into quite a different perspective to the previous one held - and made me wistful once more about the best era back in the 70's once again!
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Post by 37 on Apr 17, 2016 16:01:12 GMT
To get a feeling what it was to be a Quo fan in the 1970s you only have to watch a BBC4 (?) programme from a couple of years ago. It was about culture in popular music and this one episode had a Quo fan interviewed. The segment lasted for about 10 minutes and it summed up everything that has been written on this post and others of its like. I don't know if it is on YouTube, but if it is, watch it. It made for great TV if you were a fan from those wonderful days.
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Post by tqontq on Apr 18, 2016 2:54:30 GMT
The way i look at it, and always have, is that it is two totally different bands. Not just in terms of period, youth etc...yes that is a good part of it but at the end of the day we have two different bands playing a different type of music with different players, different marketing, different crowd, different perception, different brand. The only similarity is that two of the original band members are still there and they kept the name as the only thing they could do to make money. Hence why being a Quo fan in the 70's and even early eighties was TOTALLY different to being a Quo fan post EOTR.
If the real Quo had taken a couple of years off to clear the air and came back playing their signature brand of rock with quality material I dare say there would have been little difference between the 70's and the 80's in terms of being a fan and the atmosphere that was generated at the gigs. We only have to fast forward to 2013 and 14 to see what had been missing all these years but was STILL there.
But yes, being a fan in the seventies meant their was little to complain about until Rockin' came about. But even then it was still Quo until JC left. From then on we had plenty to complain about as it wasn't Quo anymore, no matter what spin on it Rick and Frame want to give. Hats off to them for making a success of the following 30 years though as a different band (at the detriment of quality)- although they have relied on their heyday material and past successes to see them through each and every year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 7:48:35 GMT
we have two different bands playing a different type of music with different players From a live show perspective we have different players playing (mostly) the same music as the original was up to 45 yrs previously
Their own music, beyond the close fan base, is largely unknown
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Post by dennis on Apr 18, 2016 9:09:59 GMT
we have two different bands playing a different type of music with different players From a live show perspective we have different players playing (mostly) the same music as the original was up to 45 yrs previously
Their own music, beyond the close fan base, is largely unknown
Much of the set may come from the '70s but the way it's played has a notably different feel, so even live they sound like a different band, to me.
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Post by Victor on Apr 18, 2016 9:27:47 GMT
From a live show perspective we have different players playing (mostly) the same music as the original was up to 45 yrs previously
Their own music, beyond the close fan base, is largely unknown
Much of the set may come from the '70s but the way it's played has a notably different feel, so even live they sound like a different band, to me. Oh yes ! Very true. The last gig I had was in 86 and then I didn't see them again untill 2009. Concerts were enjoyable enough, but...it was indeed nothing like the gigs I have been to in the early eighties
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 12:29:03 GMT
I like a lot of CQ material - even if it doesn't meet the dizzy heights of the golden FF age.
So I wouldn't have minded at all them sounding different to the FF if they attempted to actually represent their own music. It would then put just enough space them and the original band to give them credibility in their own right, beyond just being copyists and appearing like a karaoke entertainment band.
It is this which has alienated me from CQ more than anything else.
Even if nothing replaces being a fan in the 70's - most who have been around long enough, and from whatever angle they come from, accept this.
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Post by 37 on Apr 18, 2016 14:28:21 GMT
I have found the BBC4 programme featuring a great Quo segment. If you cant be bothered watching it all, go to the 41.30 part. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 17:44:01 GMT
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I have found the BBC4 programme featuring a great Quo segment. If you cant be bothered watching it all, go to the 41.30 part. Cheers. Thanks a lot for posting, 37. Fantastic to see it all again. Very interesting. I enjoyed that. I used to love Marc Bolan and T. Rex, too, at the time, but I never dressed like him. Denim became the uniform of my everyday life, too. I took one look at Quo and, like so many others, thought, That's the band for me. And Whoppa Choppa, there was the Levi's poster we were talking about!
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Post by wallden on Apr 19, 2016 7:06:32 GMT
I have found the BBC4 programme featuring a great Quo segment. If you cant be bothered watching it all, go to the 41.30 part. Cheers. Thanks for this link. Great to watch this. Have watched the Quo part but will watch the remaining parts tonight. Unfortunately my job requires my attention now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 12:30:39 GMT
I thought that the part about the guy who was inspired in the way he was by Quo was nice.
But to be honest I wasn't too sure about the rest of it.
I know Quo and fans are down to earth (and a good thing that is too for sure) but, maybe its just me, but I found the way that section was presented as a whole was not especially flattering to the intelligence quota of both the band and fans.
Do Francis and Rick sometimes act up a bit too much to this thing of being thick and a bit primitive? The narrator seemed to play up this anyway
Thanks for downloading it anyway
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