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Post by roadhouse on Apr 13, 2024 0:46:32 GMT
Bit of an hypothetical question really, but assuming the Live Aid Line up carried on to record the next album in 85/86 as articles of the band suggested was going to happen. Would it be have been simular to the In the army album? Or more a continuation of Back to back?
I remember seeing Lancaster being interviewed about recording with Quo after the EOTR tour is over, as the band promised to continue to make albums as a band as normal, even Rossi announced that during an EOTR gig, and Lancaster said we really want to get back in the studio and work on the technical side, which suggests he was still on board at that stage. Never quite knew what he was referring to as work on the technical side. Did he mean he was hoping for a more rocky less poppy Quo? Perhaps a return to the gutsey Quo we knew them for, instead of trying to cling onto throw away pop songs. Who knows what he meant now.
If thats the case songs like In the army now, Dreaming, In your eyes, probably would never have happened under the Live Aid line up.
Thoughts?
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Post by juansupposin on Apr 13, 2024 13:46:23 GMT
Good Question, All hypotetical and I guess as many on this forum I would have preferred Lancaster and Kircher to continue in the band even if I rate Rhino very High.
If you consider the songs Lancaster contributed with in Back to Back not sure it would have been a big change even if I consider Back to Back far better than in The Army.
Regarding Parfitt and taking into the consideration the duo Lacanster -Parfit was not specially productive I believe he would had contributed with his songs from the Record delivery album.Nothing would have changed, Lets say no songs like in the QUO album (Lancaster- Parfitt) would had been recorded.
And regarding Rossi I believe that with Lancaster being in the band he would had not felt so free to do his Countryesque kind of songs or at least with lancaster-Parfitt counterbalancing, the Army album and the following albums would had been more "Rocky", more balanced.
Summarising I guess something like Perfect Remedy or Thirsty Work would had never been recorded.
All this taking into consideration we were in the 80s , with all the Keybords, 80s production thing etc.
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Post by allyp on Apr 13, 2024 14:34:15 GMT
Despite all the fuss about band direction musically between the band at the time I don’t think it wouldn’t have been too far away from what we got with In the army etc. This sudden return to hard rock was probably a bit miscalculated. Alan’s collaborations after leaving Quo)party boys) weren’t exactly heavy metal.
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Post by roadhouse on Apr 13, 2024 19:08:19 GMT
I have to say that one of my favourite tracks from the Army sessions was Parfitt's track Don't give it up. I actually prefer that to a lot of the album. And it fitted in nicely into the rock of the time, and was able to steer away from keyboard pop.
I think if Quo produced more tracks like Don't give it up it would have been great, and I could imagine the Live Aid Line up doing tracks like that.
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Post by allyp on Apr 13, 2024 20:03:12 GMT
I have to say that one of my favourite tracks from the Army sessions was Parfitt's track Don't give it up. I actually prefer that to a lot of the album. And it fitted in nicely into the rock of the time, and was able to steer away from keyboard pop. I think if Quo produced more tracks like Don't give it up it would have been great, and I could imagine the Live Aid Line up doing tracks like that. That track wasn’t recorded in the album sessions it was a song taken from Rick’s abandoned solo album Recorded Delivery. Long legged girls, late last night and Halloween were the others taken For Quo B sides.👍 It’s a track John Edwards gave to Rick(via pip Williams ?)from a previous band he had played with. Rick and Francis probably got writing credits due to royalty issues.
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Post by gav on Apr 13, 2024 20:40:21 GMT
I have to say that one of my favourite tracks from the Army sessions was Parfitt's track Don't give it up. I actually prefer that to a lot of the album. And it fitted in nicely into the rock of the time, and was able to steer away from keyboard pop. I think if Quo produced more tracks like Don't give it up it would have been great, and I could imagine the Live Aid Line up doing tracks like that. That track wasn’t recorded in the album sessions it was a song taken from Rick’s abandoned solo album Recorded Delivery. Long legged girls, late last night and Halloween were the others taken For Quo B sides.👍 It’s a track John Edwards gave to Rick(via pip Williams ?)from a previous band he had played with. Rick and Francis probably got writing credits due to royalty issues. From memory the band was called Rhino, and Rhino co-wrote it with another band member, Richard Lightman.
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Post by viza on Apr 13, 2024 22:21:48 GMT
I guess there would be a couple of Lancaster songs, like Shes a mystery, on the album. I guess nothing else would be changed.
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Post by mortified on Apr 14, 2024 5:44:27 GMT
The demo, One Of A Kind, gave an indication of where Alan's writing was heading. And, let's be honest, it's pretty dreadful. As Hilly said at the State of Quo gig on Saturday; Alan was a nice bloke but he didn't half write some kach Made me chuckle that did. I just think the band members had run out of ideas and inspiration. Things needed freshened up. In the past, it all gelled despite the differences of musical preferences. By the time the 80's was in full swing, those differences and the fragmentation of the writing led to below par releases from 1+9+8+2 onwards. My songs are better than your songs sort of thing. Back To Back turned out pretty grim and the Rossi/Frost solo material wasn't exactly boom boom shake the room stuff. Rick's was marginally better, but not by much. I personally thought In The Army Now was a big improvement on Back To Back, although it was downhill for a while after that. Studio work and the technical side? Not sure what Alan will have meant by that. But if the suggestion is that any album recorded by Quo in 1986 by the Live Aid line up would have had a harder edge to it, I very much doubt that would have been the case.
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Post by allyp on Apr 14, 2024 8:20:05 GMT
The demo, One Of A Kind, gave an indication of where Alan's writing was heading. And, let's be honest, it's pretty dreadful. As Hilly said at the State of Quo gig on Saturday; Alan was a nice bloke but he didn't half write some kach Made me chuckle that did. I just think the band members had run out of ideas and inspiration. Things needed freshened up. In the past, it all gelled despite the differences of musical preferences. By the time the 80's was in full swing, those differences and the fragmentation of the writing led to below par releases from 1+9+8+2 onwards. My songs are better than your songs sort of thing. Back To Back turned out pretty grim and the Rossi/Frost solo material wasn't exactly boom boom shake the room stuff. Rick's was marginally better, but not by much. I personally thought In The Army Now was a big improvement on Back To Back, although it was downhill for a while after that. Studio work and the technical side? Not sure what Alan will have meant by that. But if the suggestion is that any album recorded by Quo in 1986 by the Live Aid line up would have had a harder edge to it, I very much doubt that would have been the case. Agree 12 bar boogie rock wasn’t selling commercially by then and traditional rock n roll was just being bumped up by acts like Shakin stevens. Most rock music in the charts was either all that euro pop stuff or American soft rock like Heart and early Bon Jovi I suppose? I suppose they could have done what Bryan Adams was doing high tempo rock mixed with the occasional slow ballad. They attempted this slightly with Ain’t complaining but wasn’t a big success. As some point out Alan and Rick weren’t prolific songwriters in the latter years they were in the band so Francis would have produced what he did anyway. Whether it would have all been rocked up is up for debate really.
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Post by roadhouse on Apr 14, 2024 13:54:59 GMT
I have to say that one of my favourite tracks from the Army sessions was Parfitt's track Don't give it up. I actually prefer that to a lot of the album. And it fitted in nicely into the rock of the time, and was able to steer away from keyboard pop. I think if Quo produced more tracks like Don't give it up it would have been great, and I could imagine the Live Aid Line up doing tracks like that. That track wasn’t recorded in the album sessions it was a song taken from Rick’s abandoned solo album Recorded Delivery. Long legged girls, late last night and Halloween were the others taken For Quo B sides.👍 It’s a track John Edwards gave to Rick(via pip Williams ?)from a previous band he had played with. Rick and Francis probably got writing credits due to royalty issues. But didn't Quo record their own versions of Don't give it up, Late last night etc? Surely it's not Rick's actual solo versions which was used as Quo's B-sides?
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 14, 2024 14:01:00 GMT
That track wasn’t recorded in the album sessions it was a song taken from Rick’s abandoned solo album Recorded Delivery. Long legged girls, late last night and Halloween were the others taken For Quo B sides.👍 It’s a track John Edwards gave to Rick(via pip Williams ?)from a previous band he had played with. Rick and Francis probably got writing credits due to royalty issues. But didn't Quo record their own versions of Don't give it up, Late last night etc? Surely it's not Rick's actual solo versions which was used as Quo's B-sides? Nope, they were lifted straight from the Recorded Delivery tapes. Halloween was the only one, of the lot, that recieved a slight remix before being used as a B-Side.
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Post by allyp on Apr 14, 2024 17:36:04 GMT
That track wasn’t recorded in the album sessions it was a song taken from Rick’s abandoned solo album Recorded Delivery. Long legged girls, late last night and Halloween were the others taken For Quo B sides.👍 It’s a track John Edwards gave to Rick(via pip Williams ?)from a previous band he had played with. Rick and Francis probably got writing credits due to royalty issues. But didn't Quo record their own versions of Don't give it up, Late last night etc? Surely it's not Rick's actual solo versions which was used as Quo's B-sides? All ripped straight from the solo album with maybe slight remixes on some of them. Francis and Andy don’t play on these recordings just Rick/John/Jeff/pip and a session keyboard player whose name I have forgotten.
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Post by roadhouse on Apr 14, 2024 20:24:37 GMT
But didn't Quo record their own versions of Don't give it up, Late last night etc? Surely it's not Rick's actual solo versions which was used as Quo's B-sides? All ripped straight from the solo album with maybe slight remixes on some of them. Francis and Andy don’t play on these recordings just Rick/John/Jeff/pip and a session keyboard player whose name I have forgotten. Blimey, I never knew that. I assumed Quo at least recorded their own versions. I suppose in hindsight the whole Army album could have been a selection of Rick and Francis's solo material had they didn't find Jeff and Rhino. I know the record company was demanding an album at that time, so they could have used the Rossi/Frost songs Where are you now, I wonder why, Modern Romance etc. If they were cheeky enough to use Rick's tracks for B-sides, it's not unimaginable to think if they were desperate to push the album out the whole album could have been a miss mash of Ricks solo material, and the Rossi/Frost material. Actually I just remembered Dreaming was used on the album, which was due to be on the Rossi/Frost album with the title Naughty girl.
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 14, 2024 21:12:11 GMT
All ripped straight from the solo album with maybe slight remixes on some of them. Francis and Andy don’t play on these recordings just Rick/John/Jeff/pip and a session keyboard player whose name I have forgotten. Blimey, I never knew that. I assumed Quo at least recorded their own versions. I suppose in hindsight the whole Army album could have been a selection of Rick and Francis's solo material had they didn't find Jeff and Rhino. I know the record company was demanding an album at that time, so they could have used the Rossi/Frost songs Where are you now, I wonder why, Modern Romance etc. If they were cheeky enough to use Rick's tracks for B-sides, it's not unimaginable to think if they were desperate to push the album out the whole album could have been a miss mash of Ricks solo material, and the Rossi/Frost material. Actually I just remembered Dreaming was used on the album, which was due to be on the Rossi/Frost album with the title Naughty girl. It wasn't due to be on the Rossi / Frost album. It's wrongly labelled as an old Rossi / Frost song from the 70's. but that's a different track with the title "Naughty Girl". Naughty Girl obviously being the original title for Dreamin' before they had to change it due to the court case with Alan, and the original return single was cancelled.
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Post by Quoincidence on Apr 14, 2024 21:13:05 GMT
But didn't Quo record their own versions of Don't give it up, Late last night etc? Surely it's not Rick's actual solo versions which was used as Quo's B-sides? All ripped straight from the solo album with maybe slight remixes on some of them. Francis and Andy don’t play on these recordings just Rick/John/Jeff/pip and a session keyboard player whose name I have forgotten. Only Halloween got remixed, the rest are the same mixes Pip did for Recorded Delivery
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