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Post by Victor on Jan 12, 2020 18:40:13 GMT
Maybe I'm a softie Viv but reading those final chapters today, when he has space to talk more in depth and openly about his feelings, which are complex, I do think this is genuine. He comes over as someone who gets angry when backed into a corner but when he has pace to speak calmly, he is very fair. And that was the case just after the reunion. We were all desperate for more gigs but he didn't want to do them. And he lashed out. His love for Rick, even at the end and post his passing feels very real to me and my own experiences of loss. I was also surprised at how hard he is on those albums that get slagged off on here, made in the David Walker era. I know the more cynical of our community, and I'm not counting you as one of them, would say that he's covering up. And that's your right. But haven't we've all lashed out at times and then regretted what we said. And that is another reason why I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I've long thought he was reacting ( and possibly over-reacting ) to how he was treated by some fans particularly on the old official message board. He said he stopped reading it just because of that, and I think that was before the Reunion. One of my earliest memories of the Rossi Personality, long before I became a true fan, was John Peel saying something nice about Paper Plane, and Rossi retaliating in an interview (as an aside) that it was just a pose, or something of that kind. (I think he learned better later as Peel was a true supporter.) This was Francis over reacting to someone being nice about them. I think he has fragile nerves, and (unlike some artists but not all) has never been able to separate public reactions/critics from his personal feelings. They say it is a really bad idea to take what critics or fans say, seriously, and I think he does. Carrying the weight of other people's expectations and desires arising from the deep past is not a very healthy situation, I think. He was chasing people away when he maybe "should" have been making "positive" noises while ignoring them.
Maybe he's been confronted with too much bad critisism and it made/makes (?) him question it when people do say positive things about him, just a thought...too much bad critisism can lead to a lot of distrust.... |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jan 12, 2020 19:55:40 GMT
Thanks for your posts in this thread CG  Now I really want to read the book myself as well and I will get a copy of it I bought it from The Works for £6, looked at their website just now and it's not there - could still be some in their shops I bought it from their website months ago after a tip off here, the shops were out. Try eBay ... (seriously, someone is advertising it at £6.31.)
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 12, 2020 20:20:21 GMT
Good point Victor, about the amount of criticism he's experienced over the years being a reason why he keeps lashing out. That is something you realise as you read his book. |
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Post by Victor on Jan 12, 2020 20:36:03 GMT
Good point Victor , about the amount of criticism he's experienced over the years being a reason why he keeps lashing out. That is something you realise as you read his book. Age makes one realize a lot of things, CG ... |
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 13, 2020 10:11:07 GMT
Good point Victor , about the amount of criticism he's experienced over the years being a reason why he keeps lashing out. That is something you realise as you read his book. Age makes one realize a lot of things, CG ... He is a man where his glass is always half full. Always has been. Its interesting that in the recent Quo magazine he infers the lyric of 4500 times was at least in part wrote by him about Rick. His quote was... 'There's nobody on the end of my line, I'm in time but somebody's missing'. For whatever reason he has and always has had trust issues with those he worked with. |
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 13, 2020 13:59:07 GMT
Age makes one realize a lot of things, CG ... He is a man where his glass is always half full. Always has been. Its interesting that in the recent Quo magazine he infers the lyric of 4500 times was at least in part wrote by him about Rick. His quote was... 'There's nobody on the end of my line, I'm in time but somebody's missing'. For whatever reason he has and always has had trust issues with those he worked with. An interesting observation PF and an example of how we all experience others differently. In his own words of the book, I experienced a man who is determined, obsessive, and a big worrier who felt the pressure to keep the band on the road as his responsibility. Not saying it is what he wanted but because he wrote some of their early hits and in those days it was hit records which kept a band alive, he felt that pressure. And once the drugs took over, he became an arrogant dickhead. But glass half full is not what I experienced. Didn't know that about 4500x. Interesting. I think I know which article that was but I clearly didn't read it thoroughly.  |
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Post by americanquo on Jan 14, 2020 16:58:20 GMT
They always seem to do that. I like watching US cop shows (some) and the English guy always either sounds like that. Wherever he comes from. Unless he's a Toff. There's only one English accent, right?
Just kidding. My grandad was born in Sittingbourne, and one of my ancestors was knighted. I know there's actually two different English accents, the one Americans can understand and the one they can't.
So anybody who listens to my next audiobook, don't bash me because Simon Vance is English. He did the Harry Potter audios.
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Post by jaynieeee on Jan 14, 2020 21:11:36 GMT
They always seem to do that. I like watching US cop shows (some) and the English guy always either sounds like that. Wherever he comes from. Unless he's a Toff. There's only one English accent, right?
Just kidding. My grandad was born in Sittingbourne, and one of my ancestors was knighted. I know there's actually two different English accents, the one Americans can understand and the one they can't.
So anybody who listens to my next audiobook, don't bash me because Simon Vance is English. He did the Harry Potter audios.
You could have tried Gaz, he could have read it in English, with an Aussie accent |
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Post by Victor on Jan 14, 2020 22:45:36 GMT
Age makes one realize a lot of things, CG ... He is a man where his glass is always half full. Always has been. Its interesting that in the recent Quo magazine he infers the lyric of 4500 times was at least in part wrote by him about Rick. His quote was... 'There's nobody on the end of my line, I'm in time but somebody's missing'. For whatever reason he has and always has had trust issues with those he worked with.Or was it in crtain cases not trust issues but simple worry issues ? Worry doesn't always mean distrust... |
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Post by derryquo on Jan 14, 2020 23:37:23 GMT
Thanks for your posts in this thread CG Now I really want to read the book myself as well and I will get a copy of it I have no interest in reading it. He is in many ways my ying and yang. He ruined my favourite band but also wrote some of my favourite songs. I think at this point, I don’t want to read what he has to say. The past can’t be changed nor how I feel about it from afar. I don’t drink his koolaid. This and i would never trust a word he ever says again, particularly when it comes to Rick. He has failed to ever honour him,that is unforgiveable for me.. |
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Post by Gaz on Jan 15, 2020 5:23:36 GMT
There's only one English accent, right?
Just kidding. My grandad was born in Sittingbourne, and one of my ancestors was knighted. I know there's actually two different English accents, the one Americans can understand and the one they can't.
So anybody who listens to my next audiobook, don't bash me because Simon Vance is English. He did the Harry Potter audios.
You could have tried Gaz, he could have read it in English, with an Aussie accent ooh I don't know about that Jayniiee.....I have the most terrible stutter and it may take months before the poor listener finishes it. (..just kkidding  ) |
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Post by Gaz on Jan 15, 2020 5:36:26 GMT
They always seem to do that. I like watching US cop shows (some) and the English guy always either sounds like that. Wherever he comes from. Unless he's a Toff. There's only one English accent, right?
Just kidding. My grandad was born in Sittingbourne, and one of my ancestors was knighted. I know there's actually two different English accents, the one Americans can understand and the one they can't.
So anybody who listens to my next audiobook, don't bash me because Simon Vance is English. He did the Harry Potter audios.
WHAAT...a Pommie reading Angriff's parts? You gotta be kidding me. He may get away with speaking for,say, Frances Rossi, Rick Parfist, Nuff, Spud, or Col. Bob Young...but Angriff? (just quietly I reckon a character called Rhino would fit in the Brigade as well) Actually I've finished reading the Hell's Gate book and, as a Quo fan, had a chuckle when reading the scene set in Ma Kelly's. The book finished quite abruptly and left us hanging for the next book, Bill, so any idea when it'll be released? Sorry for going off topic....back to Francis |
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Post by kevtic on Jan 15, 2020 10:14:53 GMT
I read it before xmas and was surprised how much i enjoyed it. Came across as honest as these things ever can be. It's one side of a story and sadly in Rick's case we won't hear the other side. Clearly a complicated relationship that had lots of highs and lows and like many relationships at some point they took different paths and this clearly caused some friction but they did still step on a stage together for many years and there was still some chemistry there.
I must admit I've got over Quo continuing and realised that it was his job so he can do what he likes really and whatever I think doesn't matter. It's not for me but they do what they do. I did see them supporting Skynyrd last year just to see what they were like and although it's clearly not the same without Rick there the old songs still get the head going.
Many of us have our different opinions on Rossi and this book was unlikely to really change them one way or another but it did provide his reasons for some of his actions and also an insight into how the band ended up doing some of the things it did.
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Post by 4th Chord on Jan 16, 2020 21:41:01 GMT
I read it before xmas and was surprised how much i enjoyed it. Came across as honest as these things ever can be. It's one side of a story and sadly in Rick's case we won't hear the other side. Clearly a complicated relationship that had lots of highs and lows and like many relationships at some point they took different paths and this clearly caused some friction but they did still step on a stage together for many years and there was still some chemistry there. I must admit I've got over Quo continuing and realised that it was his job so he can do what he likes really and whatever I think doesn't matter. It's not for me but they do what they do. I did see them supporting Skynyrd last year just to see what they were like and although it's clearly not the same without Rick there the old songs still get the head going. Many of us have our different opinions on Rossi and this book was unlikely to really change them one way or another but it did provide his reasons for some of his actions and also an insight into how the band ended up doing some of the things it did. It's a very long road he's travelled. |
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Now I really want to read the book myself as well and I will get a copy of it 
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