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Post by freewilly on Jul 7, 2016 16:24:39 GMT
Fucking hell  People are actually finding excuses for those videos?! "As disjointed as they sound in these clips, I think criticisms of CQ in terms of live gigs etc stem from what has happened long before the current circumstances." Eh no! I posted a clip of CQ at Donington recently and said it was brilliant. The clips I posted above are utter cock and anyone who says anything different is either lying to themselves to justify the shambles or, they are deluded By describing them as 'disjointed' I am not making excuses for their quality. They are not good. However, I'm tempering that criticism deliberately because I am trying to put some perspective on what seems, to me at least, a sensible suggestion that its not worth getting too animated about the videos because they represent a contingency step simply to honour previous commitments put forward before Rick was taken ill.
It therefore seems pointless making ultra negative face value evaluations/comparisons whether that be CQ, FF or any solo permutation for that matter of Quo.
What exactly do you expect with Rick absent? His playing is integral to the Quo sound, and no-one however good they may be is going to be able to replicate that. Hence I think its pointless getting upset about these videos.
Its bound to also have a knock-on effect to the performance of the other band members in Ricks absence. Francis especially has had to compromise his playing in various ways due to his band mates absence. Why is it such a surprise that the results are not great?
The alternative would have been to have cancelled all the dates and not honoured the gigs. The result of that would have created further different dissatisfactions. Its one gig situation where I would sympathise with CQ management and band because they are in a damned if they do, and damned if they don't (no win) situation.
Gigs should have been cancelled. Simple as! Would they have carried on if it was Francis? Look at the absolute state of Rhino at the start of Down Down. It's embarrassing and lest we forget, we had people on the old forum laughing at Alan for wearing a fucking wristband Harry Kane on rhythm guitar is adequate and that's been very kind to him. The only one coming out of those clips, with any credit, is actually Leon But, more importantly, it's not Status Quo! |
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Post by Detroit on Jul 7, 2016 16:25:11 GMT
Fucking hell People are actually finding excuses for those videos?! "As disjointed as they sound in these clips, I think criticisms of CQ in terms of live gigs etc stem from what has happened long before the current circumstances." Eh no! I posted a clip of CQ at Donington recently and said it was brilliant. The clips I posted above are utter cock and anyone who says anything different is either lying to themselves to justify the shambles or, they are deluded By describing them as 'disjointed' I am not making excuses for their quality. They are not good. However, I'm tempering that criticism deliberately because I am trying to put some perspective on what seems, to me at least, a sensible suggestion that its not worth getting too animated about the videos because they represent a contingency step simply to honour previous commitments before Rick was taken ill.
It therefore seems pointless making ultra negative face value evaluations/comparisons whether that be CQ, FF or any solo permutation for that matter of Quo.
What exactly do you expect with Rick absent? His playing is integral to the Quo sound, and no-one however good they may be is going to be able to replicate that. Hence I think its pointless getting upset about these videos.
It's not just the videos though, it's a combination of terrible decisions and indecisions all rolled into one that made the mess as it stands now, a nightclub act. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 16:32:55 GMT
By describing them as 'disjointed' I am not making excuses for their quality. They are not good. However, I'm tempering that criticism deliberately because I am trying to put some perspective on what seems, to me at least, a sensible suggestion that its not worth getting too animated about the videos because they represent a contingency step simply to honour previous commitments put forward before Rick was taken ill.
It therefore seems pointless making ultra negative face value evaluations/comparisons whether that be CQ, FF or any solo permutation for that matter of Quo.
What exactly do you expect with Rick absent? His playing is integral to the Quo sound, and no-one however good they may be is going to be able to replicate that. Hence I think its pointless getting upset about these videos.
Its bound to also have a knock-on effect to the performance of the other band members in Ricks absence. Francis especially has had to compromise his playing in various ways due to his band mates absence. Why is it such a surprise that the results are not great?
The alternative would have been to have cancelled all the dates and not honoured the gigs. The result of that would have created further different dissatisfactions. Its one gig situation where I would sympathise with CQ management and band because they are in a damned if they do, and damned if they don't (no win) situation.
Gigs should have been cancelled. Simple as! Would they have carried on if it was Francis? Whatever the answer to that is, whatever the correct answer to that is - it would still represent a no win situation either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 16:40:06 GMT
By describing them as 'disjointed' I am not making excuses for their quality. They are not good. However, I'm tempering that criticism deliberately because I am trying to put some perspective on what seems, to me at least, a sensible suggestion that its not worth getting too animated about the videos because they represent a contingency step simply to honour previous commitments before Rick was taken ill.
It therefore seems pointless making ultra negative face value evaluations/comparisons whether that be CQ, FF or any solo permutation for that matter of Quo.
What exactly do you expect with Rick absent? His playing is integral to the Quo sound, and no-one however good they may be is going to be able to replicate that. Hence I think its pointless getting upset about these videos.
It's not just the videos though, it's a combination of terrible decisions and indecisions all rolled into one that made the mess as it stands now, a nightclub act. Rick having another heart attack is not a 'terrible decision'. Its an enforced circumstance that demands difficult choices to be made with scheduled gigs that are set to displease too many people for all the variety of obvious reasons, whichever way, under discussion
Hence why I said already that any problems around CQ being a 'nightclub act' or a karaoke band (as I have referred to them in terms of their promotion and style when it comes to live appearances) are quite independent and separate from, and not a consequence of these videos or any other connected matter related to Ricks unfortunate health scare.
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Post by 4th Chord on Jul 7, 2016 16:49:06 GMT
Fucking hell People are actually finding excuses for those videos?! "As disjointed as they sound in these clips, I think criticisms of CQ in terms of live gigs etc stem from what has happened long before the current circumstances." Eh no! I posted a clip of CQ at Donington recently and said it was brilliant. The clips I posted above are utter cock and anyone who says anything different is either lying to themselves to justify the shambles or, they are deluded By describing them as 'disjointed' I am not making excuses for their quality. They are not good. However, I'm tempering that criticism deliberately because I am trying to put some perspective on what seems, to me at least, a sensible suggestion that its not worth getting too animated about the videos because they represent a contingency step simply to honour previous commitments put forward before Rick was taken ill.
It therefore seems pointless making ultra negative face value evaluations/comparisons whether that be CQ, FF or any solo permutation for that matter of Quo.
What exactly do you expect with Rick absent? His playing is integral to the Quo sound, and no-one however good they may be is going to be able to replicate that. Hence I think its pointless getting upset about these videos.
Its bound to also have a knock-on effect to the performance of the other band members in Ricks absence. Francis especially has had to compromise his playing in various ways due to his band mates absence. Why is it such a surprise that the results are not great?
The alternative would have been to have cancelled all the dates and not honoured the gigs. The result of that would have created further different dissatisfactions. Its one gig situation where I would sympathise with CQ management and band because they are in a damned if they do, and damned if they don't (no win) situation.
I tend to agree with that. Personally, I don't think the gigs should have gone on without Rick. It is what it is however. Would I enjoy it? No. What I do hear are the crowd having a good time. I'm not a fan, but after 30 years, Rhino has earned his place. With some of the gigs the band are doing, it does smack of being about pension plans. As long as Quo are billed above the puppet show I suppose. |
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Post by Detroit on Jul 7, 2016 16:51:28 GMT
It's not just the videos though, it's a combination of terrible decisions and indecisions all rolled into one that made the mess as it stands now, a nightclub act. Rick having another heart attack is not a 'terrible decision'. Its an enforced circumstance that demands difficult choices to be made with scheduled gigs that are set to displease too many people for all the variety of obvious reasons, whichever way, under discussion
Hence why I said already that any problems around CQ being a 'nightclub act' or a karaoke band (as I have referred to them in terms of their promotion and style when it comes to live appearances) are quite independent and separate from, and not a consequence of these videos or any other connected matter related to Ricks unfortunate health scare.
Where was I talking about his heart attack? and where did I say it was a decision? It's not his heart attack I speak of. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 17:03:04 GMT
The alternative would have been to have cancelled all the dates and not honoured the gigs. The result of that would have created further different dissatisfactions. Dissatisfaction for whom? "Fans" who know Quo for 2/3 songs at most and use the band as an opportunity to have a piss-up? If that's the kind of people we're talking about then I'm glad they are being "treated" to pub karaoke quality renditions, as that's what they deserve. But for us - the real fans - it's a kick in the teeth. What else is shameful is that it's just two days until the Scarborough gig (supposed to be Rick's comeback) and not a word from big mouth himself, Simon Porter. |
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Post by freewilly on Jul 7, 2016 17:20:27 GMT
The alternative would have been to have cancelled all the dates and not honoured the gigs. The result of that would have created further different dissatisfactions. Dissatisfaction for whom? "Fans" who know Quo for 2/3 songs at most and use the band as an opportunity to have a piss-up? If that's the kind of people we're talking about then I'm glad they are being "treated" to pub karaoke quality renditions, as that's what they deserve. But for us - the real fans - it's a kick in the teeth. What else is shameful is that it's just two days until the Scarborough gig (supposed to be Rick's comeback) and not a word from big mouth himself, Simon Porter. Fucking hell, you're right and all Two days before a gig and no one knows who will be playing ffs |
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Post by paul70 on Jul 7, 2016 21:49:13 GMT
No RP there
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 11:10:30 GMT
The alternative would have been to have cancelled all the dates and not honoured the gigs. The result of that would have created further different dissatisfactions. Dissatisfaction for whom? "Fans" who know Quo for 2/3 songs at most and use the band as an opportunity to have a piss-up? If that's the kind of people we're talking about then I'm glad they are being "treated" to pub karaoke quality renditions, as that's what they deserve. But for us - the real fans - it's a kick in the teeth. What else is shameful is that it's just two days until the Scarborough gig (supposed to be Rick's comeback) and not a word from big mouth himself, Simon Porter. Fans who don't like CQ full-stop, and find the current gigs minus Rick even worse are one spectrum of the dissatisfaction. The other end of the spectrum is those who do enjoy the CQ gigs (and are more tolerant of the contingencies arranged in Ricks absence) would express dissatisfaction if the gigs were cancelled.
If money was no object I wouldn't go to these gigs, but I am certainly tolerant of the contingency plans and am therefore rather more forgiving of the band for the quality of these videos as discussed.
I was right back from the 70's, and still am, an FF fan first and foremost as what I see without doubt as the best period in Quo's history. But I still really enjoy plenty enough of the CQ catalogue even though much of it has been wasted and their live performances and choices have been an increasing source of frustration and disappointment - especially since the FF reunions have provided a significant comparison between the two to be available. I understand and totally agree with a lot of CQ critics in that respect.
However, I don't find this 'true fan' definition thing acceptable at all personally. Its back to tastes, perceptions, what part of the 50 year SQ career that folk became fans - and various other factors as to why there is a broad church of opinions expressed on these pages. Its not right at all therefore to put down anyone for their expressed tastes, however much they might completely disagree or dislike them.
What I might see as 'karaoke' in terms of the way live performances are conducted too much, may still be an enjoyable performance to someone else. That sure doesn't make me right ('a real fan') and them wrong. Each to their own - and rightly so 
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Post by Gaz on Jul 8, 2016 12:08:40 GMT
By describing them as 'disjointed' I am not making excuses for their quality. They are not good. However, I'm tempering that criticism deliberately because I am trying to put some perspective on what seems, to me at least, a sensible suggestion that its not worth getting too animated about the videos because they represent a contingency step simply to honour previous commitments put forward before Rick was taken ill.
It therefore seems pointless making ultra negative face value evaluations/comparisons whether that be CQ, FF or any solo permutation for that matter of Quo.
What exactly do you expect with Rick absent? His playing is integral to the Quo sound, and no-one however good they may be is going to be able to replicate that. Hence I think its pointless getting upset about these videos.
Its bound to also have a knock-on effect to the performance of the other band members in Ricks absence. Francis especially has had to compromise his playing in various ways due to his band mates absence. Why is it such a surprise that the results are not great?
The alternative would have been to have cancelled all the dates and not honoured the gigs. The result of that would have created further different dissatisfactions. Its one gig situation where I would sympathise with CQ management and band because they are in a damned if they do, and damned if they don't (no win) situation.
Gigs should have been cancelled. Simple as! Would they have carried on if it was Francis? Look at the absolute state of Rhino at the start of Down Down. It's embarrassing and lest we forget, we had people on the old forum laughing at Alan for wearing a fucking wristband Harry Kane on rhythm guitar is adequate and that's been very kind to him. The only one coming out of those clips, with any credit, is actually Leon But, more importantly, it's not Status Quo! Ive read all of this thread and appreciate all views but you did bring up a very interesting point... Would they have carried on if it was Francis that was ill? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:25:33 GMT
catlady, I wasn't meaning you when I referred to "real fans". I know your backstory.
I think it's fair to say the majority of people at Quo gigs nowadays are casual fans. In that respect, if they're dissatisfied because the band cancel a gig because a long-standing and vital band member is ill then, literally, who cares what they think?
If they regard the above performances as adequate then they clearly aren't worth bothering about. They will very likely not be judging these performances on the same basis as yourself (i.e. makeshift changes due to Rick's absence).
Any hardcore in-the-know fans who enjoy/tolerate these performances, good for them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:59:29 GMT
catlady, I wasn't meaning you when I referred to "real fans". I know your backstory. I think it's fair to say the majority of people at Quo gigs nowadays are casual fans. In that respect, if they're dissatisfied because the band cancel a gig because a long-standing and vital band member is ill then, literally, who cares what they think? If they regard the above performances as adequate then they clearly aren't worth bothering about. They will very likely not be judging these performances on the same basis as yourself (i.e. makeshift changes due to Rick's absence). Any hardcore in-the-know fans who enjoy/tolerate these performances, good for them. Yes, I have for a while had the impression of more and more casual fans at CQ gigs these days. Thing is though, if you post such a suggestion, this tends to offend a few regular hardcore-in-the-know fans who go regularly themselves to CQ gigs and who take it as a slur to their own fan status as being undermined - and so becomes yet another source of dissatisfaction.
The exchanges with another member this week of mine are an example of the sort of division being discussed. I tend to express the aspects of what I don't like about CQ gigs in those posts, and contrast that with all that I think is good about the FF, and it appears to attract a negative and overly offended type of reply.
It really comes down to being able to have an opinion about something, but not acting offended or getting argumentative with someone else if they have different opinions or tastes.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 9, 2016 15:53:05 GMT
Always nice to see a young bloke in tight trousers on the staqe. I'd rather see Rick's blonde mop but at present Rick's future is in the hands of the Rocks gods with responsibility for Rick. For a moment I honestly thought that orange thing was descending on Francis' head. Twice. Many things remind me I am no longer in 1975, but then, many other things remind me of that, too, most days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 16:43:01 GMT
Always nice to see a young bloke in tight trousers on the staqe. You're in for a treat on Last Night Of The Electrics then. Rick is being replaced by Chubby Brown. Can't sing for toffee, but as long as the audience go home laughing, who cares? |
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People are actually finding excuses for those videos?! 
