mortified
4500 Timer
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Favourite Quo Album: Hello!
Favourite other bands.: Talking Heads, Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, Gary Numan, Alabama 3, ZZ Top, Paul van Dyk, Jeff Beck, Bowie, Gerry Rafferty, Band of Skulls, UFO, S.A.H.B
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Post by mortified on Oct 15, 2021 13:49:42 GMT
Small wonder, Johnny Thunders & The Heartbrakers is to the New York Dolls what Rainbow was to Deep Purple (surely the first time those four bands are named in unison! ), Johnny Thunders was the lead guitarist of the Dolls. He's the black-haired guy/guitarist who sings/screams in the first NYD vid I posted ('Chatterbox'). For his post-NYD career, he got himself a haircut and was indeed pivotal to early British Punk as his band had relocated to London around that time. "And Bram Tchaikovsy, the bassist, went on to record a couple of very good albums in the same vein. Much more consistent than the band he left."In the Dancing The Night Away vid, co-writer (together with guitarist Nick Garvey) Andy McMaster plays the bass, Bram is the lanky lead guitarist to the right (not the one singing, that is Garvey). Bram is mostly a guitarist though I've seen pictures of him playing bass (but not with The Motors). To add to the confusion, Andy McMaster would play keyboards with The Motors once Bram had left (frustrated that there was no room for his songwriting within The Motors), with a new bassist (Martin Ace, more known as a member of MAN) joining. We need some rock family trees here - where is Peter Frame when you need him? (And forgive me for being such a smart Alec, but as a Purple fan, being line-up change savvy comes with the affliction! ) Thanks for keeping me right I never saw The Motors live but I did see Bram Tchaikovsky's Battleaxe supporting Rory Gallagher in the late 70's and I thought he played bass then. But it was a long time ago to be fair There could be errors in my account He obviously didn't stay with The Motors long because their biggest hits were around 1978.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 15, 2021 20:17:46 GMT
Traditionally, there are three records that are cited as the “first” punk rock releases: the first Ramones album (April 1976), the “New Rose” 45 by the Damned (October '76), and the Saints debut album, (I'm) Stranded (September '76). However, there was a fourth...
I second that. I was getting over a bad boss with Better Way and Pretty Vacant at the same time.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 15, 2021 21:22:52 GMT
Phil Collins once said that music fans had eclectic tastes and likely to go and see Genesis one week and then Siouxsie and the Banshees the next and that it was the media that put up the barricades. Possibly a grain of truth in that, though my experience in the 70s and into the 80s had been that music fans tended to gravitate to specific genre and would wear the expected uniforms eg Denim n' Leather of their chosen bands and fairly blinkered.
Generalising I know, but musicians do tend to be of eclectic tastes, part of their condition but they are also aware of keeping up appearances in terms of 'credibility' of the times. The Weller syndrome of not being able to say that he had been taught his first few chords by Rick Parfitt or that Quo had lent them some amps. Many years had to pass before they could be open and honest.
Lydon enjoyed Prog rock in a Van Der Graaf Generator kind of a way and his first love was Cliff Richard.
Steve Jones of the Pistols has (in more recent times!) said that he was influenced by Tom Scholz of the band Boston in terms of guitar sounds.
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uwe
Rocker Rollin'
Other than Quo? Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Blue Öyster Cult, Wishbone Ash, Be-Bop Deluxe, Sparks ...
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Post by uwe on Oct 15, 2021 22:23:10 GMT
Punk (the music) was to me mostly hard rock with an overly loud rhythm guitar and no solos. I greatly enjoyed the Ramones debut and bought Never Mind The Bollocks in the week it came out (I was stunned how "glam rock"ish the guitar sounded, I had expected something far more disparate). I'd buy Judas Priest and Be-Bop Deluxe one week and The Dictators (lauded as the new MC5 by Brit music weeklies) and The New York Dolls the next, but also the Bay City Roller's Dedication album (BCR were underrated as a band, there I said it!) and Sweet the week after (and of course also Status Quo, Quo albums were mandatory!). I drew it all in, ABBA to Zappa really. I had an inquisitive music taste as a teenager and my wife thinks it has gotten worse over the years ("You're totally indiscriminate! Miles Davis followed by Hot Chocolate! The Carpenters and then Black Sabbath." ).
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Post by freewilly on Oct 15, 2021 23:58:06 GMT
Music is for everyone! Taste is the enemy of art!
The media plays a massive part in it though. I've lost count at the amount of artists who have been on the receiving end of an attack from the media that has led to people putting distance between themselves and certain artists to gain "credibility" in their social circles. Quo are one, Queen were another in the 70s and 80s until Live Aid...George Michael got hammered and vilified by the media for being horny and liking a joint, Michael Jackson before any allegation was made (which are false going by the latest court hearings) was subjected to a serious amount of racist and untruthful abuse from the media, Gary Barlow was abused because Robbie Williams became the star from Take That, Agnetha Faltskog from ABBA was at the centre of media scrutiny for wanting to lead a quiet life, making her out to be a weirdo and a danger to society.
All of this feeds into the public imagination and the media know it.
Simpler example...There's a guitar teacher on YT who played the chord progression from Quo's A Year on one of his videos yesterday and used it to solo over. Said he always jammed over this progression, loved it but didn't know where it came from. I had to fucking point it out to him! I commented and he ignored it. The only comment to be ignored...
Can't have the little three chord wonders ruining his image now can we? Can make money and an audience of them though...
Fucking wankers...
In terms of Lydon...He's a Quo fan...To that I say, "Cool" It shouldn't be a big deal. Quo are one of the best rock bands ever!
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quodec
Veteran Rocker Rollin'
Twelve bar blues is now alright.
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Favourite Quo Album: Blue For You
Favourite other bands.: early AC/DC, Angel City, Blackfoot, Rose Tattoo, Slade
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Post by quodec on Oct 15, 2021 23:58:53 GMT
From my 1977 diary: The singles I bought in August: Rah Band 'The Crunch', Eddie & The Hot Rods 'Do Anything you Wanna Do', Baccarat, 'Yes Sir, I Can Boogie', Showaddywaddy 'You Got what it Takes', Mink Deville 'Spanish Stroll' and The Stranglers 'Something Better Change.' I was some mixed-up teenager with all that going on!!! But as Uwe says above, all this stuff was coming on the radio and you dug their groove and the swing (I know, Baccarat! What was I thinking!), listened out for the song title, then you went to the record shop and bought what you liked. There was no niche music then - it was all just MUSIC!
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Post by freewilly on Oct 16, 2021 0:15:02 GMT
From my 1977 diary: The singles I bought in August: Rah Band 'The Crunch', Eddie & The Hot Rods 'Do Anything you Wanna Do', Baccarat, 'Yes Sir, I Can Boogie', Showaddywaddy 'You Got what it Takes', Mink Deville 'Spanish Stroll' and The Stranglers 'Something Better Change.' I was some mixed-up teenager with all that going on!!! But as Uwe says above, all this stuff was coming on the radio and you dug their groove and the swing (I know, Baccarat! What was I thinking!), listened out for the song title, then you went to the record shop and bought what you liked. There was no niche music then - it was all just MUSIC! Exactly! It's music! You don't have to justify it to anyone...Your soul does that for you. A group of girls sent me a link to Ed Sheeran's latest recently and they said, "Now you can't tell me this is a shit song! It's amazing!!" I never listened, I just wrote back and said, "If you're trying to justify your taste to a bollocks like me, it must be shit!"
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mortified
4500 Timer
Posts: 5,841
Favourite Quo Album: Hello!
Favourite other bands.: Talking Heads, Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, Gary Numan, Alabama 3, ZZ Top, Paul van Dyk, Jeff Beck, Bowie, Gerry Rafferty, Band of Skulls, UFO, S.A.H.B
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Post by mortified on Oct 16, 2021 7:44:49 GMT
From my 1977 diary: The singles I bought in August: Rah Band 'The Crunch', Eddie & The Hot Rods 'Do Anything you Wanna Do', Baccarat, 'Yes Sir, I Can Boogie', Showaddywaddy 'You Got what it Takes', Mink Deville 'Spanish Stroll' and The Stranglers 'Something Better Change.' I was some mixed-up teenager with all that going on!!! But as Uwe says above, all this stuff was coming on the radio and you dug their groove and the swing (I know, Baccarat! What was I thinking!), listened out for the song title, then you went to the record shop and bought what you liked. There was no niche music then - it was all just MUSIC! Exactly! It's music! You don't have to justify it to anyone...Your soul does that for you. A group of girls sent me a link to Ed Sheeran's latest recently and they said, "Now you can't tell me this is a shit song! It's amazing!!"I never listened, I just wrote back and said, "If you're trying to justify your taste to a bollocks like me, it must be shit!" And if you do listen to it, you may find your opinion justified I agree whole-heartedly with the more open minded approach to music and always tried to ignore media bias. But it took a couple of years heading to my late teens before I cottoned on to the fact that each publication - and journalist - had their own agenda. And, of course, the music papers competed with each other. One would love Quo for a while and another would slag them off mercilessly. Eventually I just stopped reading. Ed Sheerin's 'song' might be amazing (I can offer no opinion on that) but melodically and vocally it reminds me of Usher. Unfortunately an artist I never had any time for. Just not my cup of cookie. I think this sort of style used to be called urban. No idea what it's called now. And back to John Lydon....
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quodec
Veteran Rocker Rollin'
Twelve bar blues is now alright.
Posts: 1,211
Favourite Quo Album: Blue For You
Favourite other bands.: early AC/DC, Angel City, Blackfoot, Rose Tattoo, Slade
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Post by quodec on Oct 16, 2021 9:07:04 GMT
I remember the first time I saw the Sex Pistols on TOTP with 'Pretty Vacant' (June '77). That intro and Lydon's long torn sleeves and the curled lip to the camera and then the explosion of sound. To me as a 16 year old, it was phenomenal hair-raising stuff, a life-changing moment music-wise! But the media wern't long in turning him and the band into this anti-music perversion, with McLaren and Co quick to exploit the possibilities - the music feeding on the media and vice-versa. Though they imploded pretty quickly I always had time for John. You knew he had so much more to offer and more to say than anything McLaren had set up for him!
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Post by charles on Oct 16, 2021 13:42:38 GMT
From my 1977 diary: The singles I bought in August: Rah Band 'The Crunch', Eddie & The Hot Rods 'Do Anything you Wanna Do', Baccarat, 'Yes Sir, I Can Boogie', Showaddywaddy 'You Got what it Takes', Mink Deville 'Spanish Stroll' and The Stranglers 'Something Better Change.' I was some mixed-up teenager with all that going on!!! But as Uwe says above, all this stuff was coming on the radio and you dug their groove and the swing (I know, Baccarat! What was I thinking!), listened out for the song title, then you went to the record shop and bought what you liked. There was no niche music then - it was all just MUSIC! One of the two singers passed away only last month. Always found that Spanish accent supersexy. RIP
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Post by 4th Chord on Oct 16, 2021 13:48:16 GMT
From my 1977 diary: The singles I bought in August: Rah Band 'The Crunch', Eddie & The Hot Rods 'Do Anything you Wanna Do', Baccarat, 'Yes Sir, I Can Boogie', Showaddywaddy 'You Got what it Takes', Mink Deville 'Spanish Stroll' and The Stranglers 'Something Better Change.' I was some mixed-up teenager with all that going on!!! But as Uwe says above, all this stuff was coming on the radio and you dug their groove and the swing (I know, Baccarat! What was I thinking!), listened out for the song title, then you went to the record shop and bought what you liked. There was no niche music then - it was all just MUSIC! Always found that Spanish accent supersexy. Here you go.
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Post by charles on Oct 16, 2021 14:05:42 GMT
Always found that Spanish accent supersexy. Here you go. I've always been more partial to this:
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 16, 2021 16:29:51 GMT
With the chat about The Motors in this thread reminded me of the Reading Festival line up in '78
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Post by vivfromcov on Oct 16, 2021 21:16:55 GMT
F off 😉
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 17, 2021 10:39:50 GMT
Lydon faker than a three pound note. Who cares what he likes or doesnt like. The guy is pure gammon.
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