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Post by 4th Chord on Oct 23, 2021 9:19:01 GMT
More woke crap...nobody singing it at the top of their lungs in Havana looked offended. Lola will go soon as it offends LGBTWTF Quo will lose ROLD for mysogyny. So glad I will always have my physical collection of music. That's right, utter woke crap. It is astonishing how close to book burning our woke world is coming. Seemingly from the left, but with a suffocating narrative of such censorship and ironically, intolerance. Lola is a good example, is this next? If you seek offence obsessively enough you will find it in all manner of art. When bands like the Stones 'take a knee' and capitulate, fear of "cancellation" or acquiescing to prevalent demands, it displays how powerful these people are getting. 50 years of Brown Sugar, played a billion times on radio, to millions in concert, yet it is the latest to incite the hysterical pants wetting from the woke brigade. Will all art in the future be bland, general and beige? I suppose so, as any edge of any kind will offend. Dull, bland, and acceptable to every demographic or sensibility. All art will first need to tick every acceptable box- is the language used in the song/film/book acceptable to every race and demographic? Are the subjects being portrayed inclusive enough and diverse enough? One person does not like the slang terms contained in a song, that would be a problem and those edges would need to be sanded down. It's a bit self serving though - I don't see any hysteria anywhere about it? Who are 'these people'? Intolerance isn't limited to 'left' or 'right' wing. Terms that themselves have become pejorative, just like 'woke'. There is a danger that we generate 'outrage' over things that actually, when you look into it, are media generated bluster.
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Post by paradiseflats on Oct 23, 2021 11:11:39 GMT
That's right, utter woke crap. It is astonishing how close to book burning our woke world is coming. Seemingly from the left, but with a suffocating narrative of such censorship and ironically, intolerance. Lola is a good example, is this next? If you seek offence obsessively enough you will find it in all manner of art. When bands like the Stones 'take a knee' and capitulate, fear of "cancellation" or acquiescing to prevalent demands, it displays how powerful these people are getting. 50 years of Brown Sugar, played a billion times on radio, to millions in concert, yet it is the latest to incite the hysterical pants wetting from the woke brigade. Will all art in the future be bland, general and beige? I suppose so, as any edge of any kind will offend. Dull, bland, and acceptable to every demographic or sensibility. All art will first need to tick every acceptable box- is the language used in the song/film/book acceptable to every race and demographic? Are the subjects being portrayed inclusive enough and diverse enough? One person does not like the slang terms contained in a song, that would be a problem and those edges would need to be sanded down. It's a bit self serving though - I don't see any hysteria anywhere about it? Who are 'these people'? Intolerance isn't limited to 'left' or 'right' wing. Terms that themselves have become pejorative, just like 'woke'. There is a danger that we generate 'outrage' over things that actually, when you look into it, are media generated bluster. Balanced and sensible posts no future in them. I have said my piece on it…. Not going any further down the rabbit hole.
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Post by asthequoflies on Oct 23, 2021 11:29:26 GMT
Again, this is about cancel culture, which is not simply a media construct. Far more prevalent in the US than here. The growing culture of censorship, idea suppression, and a binary right/wrong of opinion.
In 2019, former President Barack Obama decried cancel culture and “woke” politics, framing the phenomenon as people “be[ing] as judgmental as possible about other people” and adding, “That’s not activism.”
“Case Against Cancel Culture: former ACLU president Nadine Strossen expressed great concern over cancel culture’s chilling effect on the non-famous. “I constantly encounter students who are so fearful of being subjected to the Twitter mob that they are engaging in self-censorship"
Too many wielding the cudgel of ‘cancel culture’ have decided that certain forms of censorship and speech and idea suppression are positive things that will advance social justice.
To deny it exists is gas lighting itself.
SQ message board not the place for politics; like yourselves I've said my piece too.
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Post by 4th Chord on Oct 23, 2021 12:15:09 GMT
Again, this is about cancel culture, which is not simply a media construct. Far more prevalent in the US than here. The growing culture of censorship, idea suppression, and a binary right/wrong of opinion. In 2019, former President Barack Obama decried cancel culture and “woke” politics, framing the phenomenon as people “be[ing] as judgmental as possible about other people” and adding, “That’s not activism.” “Case Against Cancel Culture: former ACLU president Nadine Strossen expressed great concern over cancel culture’s chilling effect on the non-famous. “I constantly encounter students who are so fearful of being subjected to the Twitter mob that they are engaging in self-censorship" Too many wielding the cudgel of ‘cancel culture’ have decided that certain forms of censorship and speech and idea suppression are positive things that will advance social justice. To deny it exists is gas lighting itself. SQ message board not the place for politics; like yourselves I've said my piece too. The majority on this board or elsewhere wouldn't have known anything about this 'outrage' were it not for the media headlines. Many media outlets LOVE this ad and revenue generating scandal, whether it's about statues or songs, and much of it would be far less impactful if it was not for this amplification. Some might even consider 'cancel' culture, 'consequence' culture, i.e if someone is a bigot and racist, then there is a choice whether to ignore that person and/or boycott their product. Often the bottom line is whether something is considered right or wrong, something humans have struggled with since the dawn of time. Cancel culture has been rife on the SQMB since the original, with Alan's contribution being 'cancelled' by many, or Quo post '76 not being recognised by some. 😁
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Post by asthequoflies on Oct 23, 2021 12:20:26 GMT
I agree media highlight it, but the problem simply seems to be a growing intolerance or censorship.
Cancel culture may have had its genesis in seeking accountability, but those ideals were usurped by subsequent hate campaigns against people who offer an opinion contrary to the notionally "acceptable". Suppression and censorship, a binary way of viewing issues.
Not as prevalent here, moreso in the US.
Perhaps should leave it there, as paradise said, this leads to a rabbit hole for whatever side of the argument one falls into.
Back to music...!
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 23, 2021 13:11:58 GMT
It's a burlesque. But it's not a good burlesque, and I was relieved when they said they were dropping it. It relies on the sexy lyrics and the references to young girls and whipping (never mind that the full lyrics show it, so to speak, from all angles ... ) It's a great rock tune, they should get some mroe lyrics, but I suspect, if they dropped the sex angle, it suddenly would not be so popular ... Jumpin Jack Flash is much better anyway ... now tell me, what have I missed? PS I am an old Stones fan, but some of their songs were a bit nasty about women.
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Post by asthequoflies on Oct 23, 2021 15:19:21 GMT
You may not like it because of the lyrics, but for others it is simply a great rock song. I do not think we can take an axe to some songs simply as the lyrics are misogynistic. There are far more provocative songs than Brown Sugar. I may not like some of them lyrically, but I do not wish to excise them from history.
The original point was, if songs are to be retroactively banned or cancelled (Brown Sugar was just one example), where does that end? That's it. Was just an argument on censorship.
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Post by Gaz on Oct 24, 2021 7:51:20 GMT
Seems a shame they are to drop Brown Sugar as, the times I’ve seen the Stones, it’d be up there with the most popular song played by the reaction of the crowd. It’s such a highlight of their show with everyone up n shouting Brown Sugaaar! I’ve actually never known the lyrics, along with I guess most people there at the gigs, but upon reading the lyrics, they are rather risqué and eyebrow raising. There are so many rock songs that I don’t understand the lyrics but simply love the music as a whole. That goes for many Quo songs for example Roll Over Lay Down. Back when it was released I had no idea what Francis was saying as in the opening lines but simply loved the music and, along with my school mates, we all just singing away with ‘roll over lay down and let me in…. etc’ I only found out about the note pinned to the door a few years later when I stumbled across a Quo lyric book. I like many foreign band songs where I wouldn’t have a clue what they’re singing about but just love the music.
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