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Post by madturk on Jan 8, 2021 19:14:39 GMT
In the past I was guilty of not listening to anything other than Quo. So I got accustomed to having rhythm guitar in the mix.
Consequently I couldn’t get my head around the stripped down sound of Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath, ZZ Top when listening to live stuff. (I know they multitrack rhythm and lead in the studio).
I always thought Zep needed a rhythm guitar player to fill out the sound.
But the more I listened to other stuff over the years. I appreciated that not every band needs a Rick Parfitt.
Put it this way, I don’t see anyone queuing up asking for a refund for a Zep gig they saw.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 8, 2021 19:36:42 GMT
In the past I was guilty of not listening to anything other than Quo. So I got accustomed to having rhythm guitar in the mix. Consequently I couldn’t get my head around the stripped down sound of Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath, ZZ Top when listening to live stuff. (I know they multitrack rhythm and lead in the studio). I always thought Zep needed a rhythm guitar player to fill out the sound. But the more I listened to other stuff over the years. I appreciated that not every band needs a Rick Parfitt. Put it this way, I don’t see anyone queuing up asking for a refund for a Zep gig they saw. You make an interesting point. It’s odd really because I love bands that are 3 piece, 4 piece and 5 or more. I have never really limited my listening to the band and went for years without listening to them much at all. However my point in response to you is this. I never really appreciated Ricks playing till the reunion. Whatever others may say he was the star of the reunion. He showed how important he was when he was in a four piece. Absolutely vital to the sound, whereas a 5 piece he could put his feet up, have a tab and coast so much more and perform more.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 8, 2021 20:44:10 GMT
I would have liked to have heard Parfitt playing on Strange Kind Of Woman from Made In Japan.
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Jan 8, 2021 21:23:10 GMT
Though I disagree by a fair margin that Rick was the greatest rhythm player of all time, he was solid as a baked rock and when he tried he really shone, i.e. Hold You Back, Mystery Song, Don't Think It Matters.
In terms of the 3-piece bands, it all really depends on how you approach it. The Police and U2 for example have a larger emphasis on pop and melody, using simplicity to a massive advantage, throwing in many chord variations and lead lines to make something as simple as Every Breath You Take or Where The Streets Have No Name as immersive as possible, with massive credit to Andy Summers and Edge respectively.
The case with these bands also blends into the likes of ZZ Top and Zepp, with monster rhythm sections to boot. I'd have to tip my hat more to ZZ in terms of tight as fuck and making the simplicity soar to whole other levels of brilliance.
In the case of Zepp, I always found the simpler stuff to be much more interesting, as I do with a lot of music now after abusing prog and various forms of electronic music over the years to the point of forgetting how good straight-ahead rock music really is. Houses of the Holy, with the more stripped back, folk in places sound is Zepp's best 40 mins in my opinion, the pompous pushed to the side and writing songs in a way that make getting lost in them worth every second.
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Post by freewilly on Jan 9, 2021 0:20:21 GMT
Though I disagree by a fair margin that Rick was the greatest rhythm player of all time, he was solid as a baked rock and when he tried he really shone, i.e. Hold You Back, Mystery Song, Don't Think It Matters. In terms of the 3-piece bands, it all really depends on how you approach it. The Police and U2 for example have a larger emphasis on pop and melody, using simplicity to a massive advantage, throwing in many chord variations and lead lines to make something as simple as Every Breath You Take or Where The Streets Have No Name as immersive as possible, with massive credit to Andy Summers and Edge respectively. The case with these bands also blends into the likes of ZZ Top and Zepp, with monster rhythm sections to boot. I'd have to tip my hat more to ZZ in terms of tight as fuck and making the simplicity soar to whole other levels of brilliance. In the case of Zepp, I always found the simpler stuff to be much more interesting, as I do with a lot of music now after abusing prog and various forms of electronic music over the years to the point of forgetting how good straight-ahead rock music really is. Houses of the Holy, with the more stripped back, folk in places sound is Zepp's best 40 mins in my opinion, the pompous pushed to the side and writing songs in a way that make getting lost in them worth every second. There is a lot going on in U2's music, in terms of sound. so when it comes to doing some of them live, to make them sound as big as they do, a lot of songs have backing tracks and Edge playing keyboards with his feet, along with his guitar effects that create this enormous sound. Where The Streets Have No Name for example, the organ intro is a backing track and the padded bass notes are played by Adam Clayton with his feet on some keyboard pedal. ZZ Top also use backing tracks Queen also had Spike Edney on keyboards off stage to fill up the sound. Morgan Fisher from Mott The Hoople was their first keyboard player. Led Zeppelin's live sound benefitted a lot from John Paul Jones' talent. Kashmir being an obvious example. It sounds huge thanks to him Quo used tracks on BB, Army and the absolute eye roll that was the DS tour.
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Post by quovadis on Jan 9, 2021 11:34:23 GMT
Rush & sabbath a prime example Gr8 bands in their day🦆🎸
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jan 9, 2021 12:50:30 GMT
I will never understand how Rush can create the sounds they do with just the 3 of them.
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col
Rocker Rollin'
Posts: 604
Favourite Quo Album: Dog Of Two Head, Piledriver, Hello, Quo, Live
Favourite other bands.: Ramones, Warrior Soul, Soundgarden, King Buffalo, Small Faces, Motorhead, UFO, Screaming Trees, Kyuss, Clutch
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Post by col on Jan 10, 2021 15:24:54 GMT
In the past I was guilty of not listening to anything other than Quo. So I got accustomed to having rhythm guitar in the mix. Consequently I couldn’t get my head around the stripped down sound of Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath, ZZ Top when listening to live stuff. (I know they multitrack rhythm and lead in the studio). I always thought Zep needed a rhythm guitar player to fill out the sound. But the more I listened to other stuff over the years. I appreciated that not every band needs a Rick Parfitt. Put it this way, I don’t see anyone queuing up asking for a refund for a Zep gig they saw. You make an interesting point. It’s odd really because I love bands that are 3 piece, 4 piece and 5 or more. I have never really limited my listening to the band and went for years without listening to them much at all. However my point in response to you is this. I never really appreciated Ricks playing till the reunion. Whatever others may say he was the star of the reunion. He showed how important he was when he was in a four piece. Absolutely vital to the sound, whereas a 5 piece he could put his feet up, have a tab and coast so much more and perform more. Totally agree on the re-union tour, and totally agree on the coasting issue, makes you wonder!! As for Zep, saw them twice, sorry but I thought they were weak......but I saw the Page & Plant tour, which was 5 piece band with no 26 min drum solo, and I loved it!!
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Post by madturk on Jan 10, 2021 19:39:34 GMT
I love Zep, love Bonzo AND I can play drums. But I can’t stand long drum solos. Spud’s drum solo on Live! is about right. Not too long. But John Bonham was taking the pi$$.
I read somewhere that sales at the hotdog stand went through the roof during the drum solo.
Ridiculous 😴
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Post by sqcollector on Jan 10, 2021 21:28:28 GMT
I'm also a drummer and I don't like long drum solos. I much prefer the drummer going nuts playing the drums while the other instruments are playing (for example, during an outro). Just having the drums literally solo is a bit boring, if it's more than just a couple of minutes. For instance, Jeff Rich's drum "solo" during the Roadhouse medley or during 4500x is fine. Now, starting hitting the snare quieter, then louder, first slow, then fast, hitting the toms at random, etc. and going at it during 5 minutes or more, ends up being a bit boring. And I love drums more than any other instrument.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jan 16, 2021 2:36:29 GMT
I love Zep, love Bonzo AND I can play drums. But I can’t stand long drum solos. Spud’s drum solo on Live! is about right. Not too long. But John Bonham was taking the pi$$. I read somewhere that sales at the hotdog stand went through the roof during the drum solo. Ridiculous 😴 He was but he did it better than anyone else.
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