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Post by frozenhero on Jan 8, 2021 19:28:55 GMT
I like the Hello version, I like the EP version. 76 and 82 a bit sloppier but still good, as well as 89... hell, I've heard lots of good versions.
2000s versions I've heard sound more like a parody though, with Francis messing up the solo. It has gotten better again recently - I remember the LNOTE version being very good with the crescendo.
Something I noticed though, that bugs me now, is the changing of the ending. Slowing it down and putting a different chord sequence on doesn't work well, IMO. When did they start this?
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 8, 2021 19:29:56 GMT
There are three that stick in the mind more than any others; the Milton Keynes version (overdubs/drug fuelled or not - the solo is brilliant) Thankfully, the only thing overdubbed about Roll Over Lay Down from that concert is the vocals, and the odd bit of Ricks guitar during the intro when he stopped playing here and there. Rossi's solos that day for ROLD were brilliant. There's a run that he does after the 1st quieter section, before the guitar interplay with him and Rick, that I love. God how I'd love for that show to be remixed. Some solos of his on the day were f*cking shocking simply because half of the time he wasn't paying attention and was missing cues here and there, but when he was in the game he played really well. As others have said, I can't stand the version on the Hello! album either. Can’t stand ? Interesting view. What’s so offensive about it ? |
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 8, 2021 19:30:57 GMT
I like the Hello version, I like the EP version. 76 and 82 a bit sloppier but still good, as well as 89... hell, I've heard lots of good versions. 2000s versions I've heard sound more like a parody though, with Francis messing up the solo. It has gotten better again recently - I remember the LNOTE version being bery good with the crescendo. Something I noticed though, that bugs me now, is the changing of the ending. Slowing it down and putting a different chord sequence on doesn't work well, IMO. When did they start this? 1997 during the Whatever You Want - Very Best Of Tour, when it was put back into the set. I've never liked that ending, and the fact they are still doing it 23 years on  |
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 8, 2021 19:35:18 GMT
Thankfully, the only thing overdubbed about Roll Over Lay Down from that concert is the vocals, and the odd bit of Ricks guitar during the intro when he stopped playing here and there. Rossi's solos that day for ROLD were brilliant. There's a run that he does after the 1st quieter section, before the guitar interplay with him and Rick, that I love. God how I'd love for that show to be remixed. Some solos of his on the day were f*cking shocking simply because half of the time he wasn't paying attention and was missing cues here and there, but when he was in the game he played really well. As others have said, I can't stand the version on the Hello! album either. Can’t stand ? Interesting view. What’s so offensive about it ? Can't stand might have been the wrong thing to say, but it's definitely not a version I like. It just doesn't have any oomf to it like the live versions, and the vocals on the Hello! album just have no power behind them either. One of my biggest dislikes about that version of 4500x. Almost as if the vocals are being whispered |
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 8, 2021 19:41:17 GMT
Interesting, I quite like the vocals on Hello  In fact, I think the harmonies in ROLD have never come across well live. |
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 8, 2021 19:41:37 GMT
Can’t stand ? Interesting view. What’s so offensive about it ? Can't stand might have been the wrong thing to say, but it's definitely not a version I like. It just doesn't have any oomf to it like the live versions, and the vocals on the Hello! album just have no power behind them either. One of my biggest dislikes about that version of 4500x. Almost as if the vocals are being whispered Interesting points. I have to agree the album didn’t capture their live power. I do love those versions. The vocals are quite soft. I much prefer that to Rossi’s voice and how it sounds in the last 25 years of more. Caroline to me is a song that live they didn’t really click with till later on. |
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Post by azza200 on Jan 8, 2021 23:59:56 GMT
ROLD has always been the epitome of a great Quo tune for me, especially live. The FF classic I've never liked is Paper Plane. As for string bending entertaining the audience, the only result of it is more trade for Gaz with people requiring new dentures to replace the ones they've ground down during Francis's solos. Imagine Francis bending these strings with Ian Gillan wailing behind him throughout. Ouch!  nah Robert Plant during his Led Zep days would break some windows or with the Bee Gee's with their screeching like during Stayin Alive |
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Post by gerh on Jan 9, 2021 0:13:53 GMT
'...Robert Palmer during his Led Zep days...' Huh??
I think someone's been near the ol' Columbian Marching Powder!!
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Post by azza200 on Jan 9, 2021 0:15:21 GMT
Hello. Roll Over Lay Down has evolved considerably over the 40 plus years of live performance. I believe Francis plays it the way he does now because he's become more of an entertainer than a musician. The thing about the over-bending of guitar strings is to do with interacting with the audience and putting a smile on people's faces. Everyone knows the song inside out anyway so it doesn't need to be played properly. It's the same with the vocals. We can fill in the gaps that Francis leaves and he can have fun by slurring words. The whole is bigger than the some of the parts so the mistakes (which are deliberate as a matter of fact) are part of the show. It is Quo's appearance on Les Dennis show in 1989 to play Not at All that probably influenced Francis to have a bit more freedom to mess around on guitar. Les Dennis was famous for playing out of tune on the piano on purpose and it was part of the routine. That's what has happened with Francis and his guitar playing and vocals. No one goes to a Quo show for musicality and to write theses or get PHDs. It's about fun and escapism. Ultimately, Francis is an entertainer. As long as the other band members play properly he can have a free rein then to dance with Rhino and do funny facial expressions. That's showbusiness folks. I thank you. I disagree you can still play the song properly and still be an entertainer slurring words over bending strings other people will view it as being sloppy or poor playing and not giving a fuck IMO. I have seen David Gilmour live countless times he does not fuck about unnecessarily in songs even if it is like the 800 time he has played Money, Wish, or the Comfortably Numb final solo he gives it his all every night and makes each solo unique here and there sings every song vocal perfectly even on off nights still better then some of the slurring of words of ott bending of strings what Francis does. Clapton, The Who, The Rolling Stones dont do none of what you said for entertainment value. They are all entertainers same as Francis and give better value for money in their performances without resorting too stuff you have said |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jan 9, 2021 2:02:25 GMT
Songs should be played properly. I don't mean not make any changes, but changes should make the performance better, not worse. Eventually Francis' antics reduced the song, particularly the slurring, maybe he thinks it sounds hilarious (he does it in interviews too) but really it just sounds like someone slurring. What he did somewhere along the line is take the drive out of the song. If anything has detached me from then after all these years, it was that. You leap to your feet! (We are always in seats.) You jump up and down! You get to the first guitar bit and ... sit down. That's my best live song filletted. Don't mess aroun' with Roll Over Lay Down. Really I think Francis lacks a clue about what he did that was really good.
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Post by Gaz on Jan 9, 2021 10:45:23 GMT
ROLD has always been the epitome of a great Quo tune for me, especially live. The FF classic I've never liked is Paper Plane. As for string bending entertaining the audience, the only result of it is more trade for Gaz with people requiring new dentures to replace the ones they've ground down during Francis's solos. Unfortunately Quo don't tour here much but yes I'd say plenty of work for Denturists in Europe after a Quo gig. I do notice Francis has a mouthful of porcelain crowns which do not wear away at all which I guess accounts for his teeth grinding bending of strings to the detriment of his aged audience.  |
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Post by roquer on Jan 9, 2021 23:52:21 GMT
In some other posts I talked about my fear of playing vinyl when I was a kid. ROLD was the only one song that I really liked to play from the vinyls I had. I don't had it in any cassette, and the only other version that I can heard besides of vinyl was the live versions from the VHS tapes that I have.
It took me years to finally have a digitized version of the album. In a few years I realized that my favorite version of the song was the EP version. It broke my heart knowing that the EP version was overdubbed and speeded up, but still, it is my favorite version.
Yeah, I like the album version, but nowadays I find it too slow compared to the live version.
But, for example, one of the versions that I don't find too interesting is the Live! version. I find the vocals strange. Also, the version that the band (whatever the line-up is) it's the '97 to nowadays version. As someone mentioned before, those chord changes in the end of the song were strange (Rossi's solos appart).
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Post by stringybob on Jan 10, 2021 1:58:03 GMT
For me, no version has ever come close to the original studio recording. There have been some excellent live versions (and some not so excellent) but the LP cut is wonderfully dynamic and the tempo suits it perfectly. A magnificent piece of work.
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In fact, I think the harmonies in ROLD have never come across well live.
