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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 16:59:08 GMT
Enjoyed the interview that confirmed some stuff I'd thought about. It's really shit to work with someone you don't like for a long time especially if the bloke has violent tendencies. Great when he gets you nicked in a foreign country and banged up because of his temper. I knew a bloke from school and we were friends for a long time but his character slowly ground me down so that I could not stand him anymore. The Rossi/Lancaster thing is easy to understand if you've experienced the same sort of stuff. Is Lancaster a nasty arrogant violent little man? Stories about him seem to bear that out but as Rhino says what do we know. He must have the full story and from the tone of his interview he can't stand him either. To have a go at him on the board would only confirm what he says. I don't understand the criticism of John Coghlan but only from a musical point of view, could someone musical explain "he gives you nothing". I don't have the credentials, but it occurs to me that a bassist is always one half of a rhythm section, which the drummer is the other half of. Rhino never worked with John, but that wouldn't mean that he didn't have a feeling for what he would be like (as a rhythm partner, nothing to do with talent, achievement etc.) to play with. Casting my mind back, I don't remember ever reading any comments from Alan about John as a drummer, or from John about Alan as a bass player. That doesn't mean there weren't any, just that none made an impression on me (and I normally take notice of that kind of thing). Maybe Rhino feels John works too much in his own bubble. That's my guess.
I can't wait for the day when bubbles going back to being just something in a drink or something little kids blow.
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Post by railroad007 on Jan 9, 2021 16:59:12 GMT
I listened. Oh dear. But then he doesn't give a duck what I think. He's gone quackers!
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 9, 2021 16:59:21 GMT
Alan is arrogant these days, so Rhino isn't wrong. For Alan to say that Francis put a stop to the reunion tours is because he (Alan) was becoming too popular for Francis is utter bollocks and laughable. The reunion tours were awful, in retrospect. They were great in terms of seeing the old lineup back together and the atmosphere, but musically it was shocking. Of course Rossi wouldn't want it to continue. It wasnt reliable like the current lineup with every member giving their 100%. Alan's health also put an end to that with him being carried off stage during the 2nd tour. I also find it childish and very school ground like behaviour when Alan says "everyone was on our tour bus and Francis was on his own". Loves to have a dig at Francis but then wonders why he wants no involvement with the PLC recordings. Can I just ask, who was being interviewed here? As you are quoting what Alan had to say?
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Post by cooliquo on Jan 9, 2021 17:32:43 GMT
Alan is arrogant these days, so Rhino isn't wrong. For Alan to say that Francis put a stop to the reunion tours is because he (Alan) was becoming too popular for Francis is utter bollocks and laughable. The reunion tours were awful, in retrospect. They were great in terms of seeing the old lineup back together and the atmosphere, but musically it was shocking. Of course Rossi wouldn't want it to continue. It wasnt reliable like the current lineup with every member giving their 100%. Alan's health also put an end to that with him being carried off stage during the 2nd tour. I also find it childish and very school ground like behaviour when Alan says "everyone was on our tour bus and Francis was on his own". Loves to have a dig at Francis but then wonders why he wants no involvement with the PLC recordings. Can I just ask, who was being interviewed here? As you are quoting what Alan had to say? The interview is in the Horses Mouth section.. New Alan Interview.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 9, 2021 18:03:28 GMT
Can I just ask, who was being interviewed here? As you are quoting what Alan had to say? The interview is in the Horses Mouth section.. New Alan Interview. Ok thankyou
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Post by matt on Jan 9, 2021 18:21:50 GMT
In fairness to rhino:
Andy said “he was my mate and Rick used to be funny but he changed and could darken a room towards the end”
Francis said “he changed”
Rhino said “he changed”
It is possible given that evidence that there’s some truth in it.
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 9, 2021 18:34:30 GMT
In fairness to rhino: Andy said “he was my mate and Rick used to be funny but he changed and could darken a room towards the end” Francis said “he changed” Rhino said “he changed” It is possible given that evidence that there’s some truth in it. Was there unhappiness in the camp, well yes. Let’s think why? However I go back to my point, what good comes from it. Whether it be Alan, Francis, Edwards or Andy.
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Post by freewilly on Jan 9, 2021 18:41:08 GMT
In fairness to rhino: Andy said “he was my mate and Rick used to be funny but he changed and could darken a room towards the end” Francis said “he changed” Rhino said “he changed” It is possible given that evidence that there’s some truth in it. Man with a series of health issues, personal problems and his professional life up in the air because of a mixture of health problems and being in a band with someone he had tension with and that was doing things he didn't want to do, all of a sudden wasn't the life and soul of the party anymore... It's more than likely true that he changed...But, according to Francis, he changed after he decided to sing in a rock voice etc. The more they say all this, the more I ask, "What did any of you do about it?" They basically sat back and left him on his own as far as I can see...Which is quite shitty tbh They stopped being friends with him because he wasn't funny anymore? That's essentially what they're saying... I mean, Rhino decided to go to the hospital because he didn't want him to die alone...If that was the case, where the hell were the rest of them?...They ain't painting a very good picture here I've noticed the "he changed" narrative has been peddled out a few times to describe ex members. It's never, "perhaps we might have done something to provoke the situation?" or, "Maybe I've changed?"
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Post by blagult on Jan 9, 2021 21:22:14 GMT
Think a lot of people are trying to over analyse things that naturally occur in life and trying the blame game. People love and fall out all the time. People take sides. It happens down the pub...anywhere !! Quo is just the day job. If you manage to provide a good life for you and your family or the next generation with your day job then it’s job done ! No point getting all sentimental about who was hard done to. Alan moved to Australia. Rick got pissed and spent. Francis snorted and John got pissed 🤷♂️
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Post by cooliquo on Jan 9, 2021 23:02:05 GMT
In fairness to rhino: Andy said “he was my mate and Rick used to be funny but he changed and could darken a room towards the end” Francis said “he changed” Rhino said “he changed” It is possible given that evidence that there’s some truth in it. Man with a series of health issues, personal problems and his professional life up in the air because of a mixture of health problems and being in a band with someone he had tension with and that was doing things he didn't want to do, all of a sudden wasn't the life and soul of the party anymore... It's more than likely true that he changed...But, according to Francis, he changed after he decided to sing in a rock voice etc. The more they say all this, the more I ask, "What did any of you do about it?" They basically sat back and left him on his own as far as I can see...Which is quite shitty tbh They stopped being friends with him because he wasn't funny anymore? That's essentially what they're saying... I mean, Rhino decided to go to the hospital because he didn't want him to die alone...If that was the case, where the hell were the rest of them?...They ain't painting a very good picture here I've noticed the "he changed" narrative has been peddled out a few times to describe ex members. It's never, "perhaps we might have done something to provoke the situation?" or, "Maybe I've changed?" Let's not forget though, in Patty Parfitts autobiography in 98, she basically agrees with every single thing Rossi has said about him since. Every single thing. It's there in black and white. All of it. Even worse, she accuses him of knocking her about. Basically, every single thing Francis has said about Rick when he had a drink on him, she said the same and put sprinkles on top. But, of course, cos they got back together for the umpteenth time and then Rick died, that's all conveniently swept under the carpet and Francis is a prick... There is much more to meet the eye with all of them and I doubt we will ever come close to scratching the surface. 👍
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Post by nino on Jan 9, 2021 23:08:26 GMT
There is much more to meet the eye with all of them and I doubt we will ever come close to scratching the surface. 👍 And that's a good thing! It's none of our business anyway and this way I will remember them the way I want to: The best band there was, the best band there is and the best there ever will be!
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Post by cooliquo on Jan 9, 2021 23:16:42 GMT
There is much more to meet the eye with all of them and I doubt we will ever come close to scratching the surface. 👍 And that's a good thing! It's none of our business anyway and this way I will remember them the way I want to: The best band there was, the best band there is and the best there ever will be! That's what it inevitably boils down to now mate. The old days of wishing the original guys would reform have gone. We had our moment and I'm grateful. We have the music, the memories. That torch will continue to burn bright for forever more!
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Post by freewilly on Jan 10, 2021 2:58:04 GMT
Man with a series of health issues, personal problems and his professional life up in the air because of a mixture of health problems and being in a band with someone he had tension with and that was doing things he didn't want to do, all of a sudden wasn't the life and soul of the party anymore... It's more than likely true that he changed...But, according to Francis, he changed after he decided to sing in a rock voice etc. The more they say all this, the more I ask, "What did any of you do about it?" They basically sat back and left him on his own as far as I can see...Which is quite shitty tbh They stopped being friends with him because he wasn't funny anymore? That's essentially what they're saying... I mean, Rhino decided to go to the hospital because he didn't want him to die alone...If that was the case, where the hell were the rest of them?...They ain't painting a very good picture here I've noticed the "he changed" narrative has been peddled out a few times to describe ex members. It's never, "perhaps we might have done something to provoke the situation?" or, "Maybe I've changed?" Let's not forget though, in Patty Parfitts autobiography in 98, she basically agrees with every single thing Rossi has said about him since. Every single thing. It's there in black and white. All of it. Even worse, she accuses him of knocking her about. Basically, every single thing Francis has said about Rick when he had a drink on him, she said the same and put sprinkles on top. But, of course, cos they got back together for the umpteenth time and then Rick died, that's all conveniently swept under the carpet and Francis is a prick... There is much more to meet the eye with all of them and I doubt we will ever come close to scratching the surface. 👍 I've never read her book and have no particular interest in doing so I can't comment. I'm especially not going to comment on unfounded accusations that were never followed up on. I know you are referring to Patty in your post. Rick is not beyond criticism, for me anyways. No one is. His laziness in the 90s, his part in going behind Alan's back etc. I'm trying to find a balance here. Rick is dead so he can't speak for himself. Meanwhile, Francis and now Rhino have thrown him under the bus, whilst respectively, patting themselves on the back. Rhino basically vented his insecurities in that interview and Francis, well its always everyone else's fault seemingly. "He wasn't fun anymore" I just think, with the world and society we live in today, when a human being is in a dark place, like Rick allegedly was, they deserve more care and understanding than to be left on their own or to say, "he's not my friend anymore" I find it really cold that only Rhino went with him, when he was supposedly going to die. Or maybe, the feeling was mutual. Who knows. As you say, we won't get close to scratching the surface. And as someone else, it's none of our business anyways. I'm just very interested in sociology
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 7:46:07 GMT
Man with a series of health issues, personal problems and his professional life up in the air because of a mixture of health problems and being in a band with someone he had tension with and that was doing things he didn't want to do, all of a sudden wasn't the life and soul of the party anymore... It's more than likely true that he changed...But, according to Francis, he changed after he decided to sing in a rock voice etc. The more they say all this, the more I ask, "What did any of you do about it?" They basically sat back and left him on his own as far as I can see...Which is quite shitty tbh They stopped being friends with him because he wasn't funny anymore? That's essentially what they're saying... I mean, Rhino decided to go to the hospital because he didn't want him to die alone...If that was the case, where the hell were the rest of them?...They ain't painting a very good picture here I've noticed the "he changed" narrative has been peddled out a few times to describe ex members. It's never, "perhaps we might have done something to provoke the situation?" or, "Maybe I've changed?" Let's not forget though, in Patty Parfitts autobiography in 98, she basically agrees with every single thing Rossi has said about him since. Every single thing. It's there in black and white. All of it. Even worse, she accuses him of knocking her about. Basically, every single thing Francis has said about Rick when he had a drink on him, she said the same and put sprinkles on top. But, of course, cos they got back together for the umpteenth time and then Rick died, that's all conveniently swept under the carpet and Francis is a prick... There is much more to meet the eye with all of them and I doubt we will ever come close to scratching the surface. 👍 No, let's forget that ridiculous tome and the person behind it. Written out of spite and showing quite clearly the two main priorities in Ms Beedon's life, money and the acquisition of it and the clutching on to the vestiges of celebrity. Rick was merely a channel to both. Anything in that publication as I have said on several occasions on here must be taken not with a grain of salt but a whole mine full.
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 10, 2021 12:56:41 GMT
At the risk of being thought of as a Francis apologist - last night I watched an interview on the YT from 2019. It was for a European company, I think in The Netherlands. YT offered it up for me now I've watched this one. I agree that when his grief was raw in 2016/17, Francis did sound like he was, 'throwing Rick under the bus'. But in that interview, and others I've heard when Backbone came out, he no longer does. I hear real affection and a softening in his judgement of Rick. He came over as a pro and not angry or bitter. He even says how much he actually enjoyed the 70s. Yes, he did! But what he struggles with is the nostalgia to return to those days. I felt sad and very uncomfortable for Rhino listening to this. But he says he's fine. So I won't worry about that.
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