matt
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Post by matt on Nov 19, 2020 8:56:30 GMT
I would say Jimmy page is a considerably better guitarist than Rossi.
I think quo’s music is simple. And formulaic. No getting away from it. I wonder whether if their popularity was deemed inexplicably large compared to their range. Also the early 70s had more than its fair share of overly pretentious nonsense which was probably popular at the time. Like Joe Elliot and John Peel said, you had people who liked Tales from a Topographic Ocean, or Piledriver
Look at some of the 70s greats:
Pink floyd Queen Led zep Roxy music Bowie Quo
In that company I would say they punched above their weight in terms of ability v popularity. Although the classic quo albums feature more musical dynamism then anything post 77. Key/tempo changes etc.
I Just happen to like their sound and groove.
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mortified
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Post by mortified on Nov 19, 2020 10:43:40 GMT
I suppose that's the point really. The simplicity of the music, or otherwise, is academic. It always will be. I admire acts like Pink Floyd and Bowie hugely and have listened to them for decades, along with many, many other artists of course. But I'd never dismiss an entire style of music just because I didn't like it. But where's the critical journalism or debate in that? " Sorry, mate, you're fired; we can't have reasoned arguments like that. We'll lose readers. Didn't they teach you anything at uni?" I could never really get into dubstep when it was the brief fashion a few years back and I could only dabble with trip-hop in small doses in the 90's. But that's my issue. Dismissing it all out of hand I never saw as an option. I also disagree that Quo were as formulaic as often perceived back then. There was, of course, the shuffle weaving in and out of many things but the melodies and the hooks bordered on genius at times.
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Post by dennis on Nov 19, 2020 10:49:44 GMT
Have to agree with mortified, it was all about snobbery, & as we can see, even now, lazy labels stick - like mud!
Quo in the '70s were a good time rock band belting out great tunes that got people moving, gave then huge chart hits & chart-topping albums & the most fantastic support on the road. They were as heavy as the heavy rock bands of the day but couldn't be taken as seriously as they had hit singles - not just the odd one, but lots of them. They weren't as pretentious as many of the prog rock bands, although they could also perform long, convoluted, multi section tracks just as well. They didn't tart themselves up in shiny outfits and attach themselves to the glam scene & consequently weren't seen in the same light as "good time" band Slade, although I suspect many music lovers were fans of both bands. Ironic as it seems after recent decades, but you'd have to say they weren't a gimmicky band. They just seemed like four blokes you might see down the pub who just happened to become something much greater than the individual components should have amounted to when they played music together, & what they did in the early-mid '70s made them the very best at it, especially live, for a few years.
I always thought that the coolest thing about Quo was the fact they were so uncool &, seemingly, not remotely arsed. Sadly, it seems it all bothered Francis a lot more than we all realised at the time.
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Post by railroad007 on Nov 19, 2020 11:15:55 GMT
When he's not playing solo's he becomes part of the best rhythm section I've heard. His rhythm playing is as good as RP's, he seems to get no credit for this at all.
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 19, 2020 12:01:01 GMT
When he's not playing solo's he becomes part of the best rhythm section I've heard. His rhythm playing is as good as RP's, he seems to get no credit for this at all. This. Often, Francis rhythm was/is even more distinct than Parfitts. And, to weigh in on the discussion. I've never understood that three-chord nonsense everyone keep throwing at them.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Nov 19, 2020 13:13:47 GMT
All down to snobbery ??
Not convinced
It can explain the attacks on the music,I get that
But loads of hostility was personal The biddies were flying. Dandruff was everywhere.
Quos look was very similar to the many hard rock bands of the time. Those bands didn't get attacked in the same way
(There's a late 70's interview with Francis where he volunteers that he washes his hair daily and named the brand! Yes I think it effected him a lot ,as did Spinal Tap)
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Post by blagult on Nov 19, 2020 16:43:43 GMT
I found the harsher Journalistic criticism occurred after Punk broke. A lot of the music rags ( Especially Sounds ) nailed their loyalty well and truly to punk / New wave and Quo became the easiest of targets. To be honest a lot of Punk personnel have since come out and said Quo we one of their influences. At the time though it wasn’t cool for them to admit to it. It surprised me how much stick Quo got as they were closer to punk in Dress and musical energy than any other Band up to the end of 76 when things were starting to take off with New wave etc.. They couldn’t have made a bigger f.. up though by going lite bringing out 2 albums RAOTW & IYCSTH. Was like the band dished out the grenades themselves to get pelted with ! Thank god for the internet where we now have videos like “ April Spring “ which show Quo predated The Ramones etc...by a few years.
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Post by cactuspete on Nov 19, 2020 19:09:49 GMT
Hostility? Or envy?
They sold number one albums,gained a huge following and became a prime live band. But heres the rub,they didnt give a flying fuck what the popular musical thought about them.
Thats why i started loving them in the early seventies and love listening to them now.
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Post by railroad007 on Nov 19, 2020 21:18:35 GMT
I read some classic shite about them in the 1970's but Mick Farren who was a real NME type seemed okay with them.
"During the early 1970s he contributed to the UK Underground press such as the International Times, also establishing Nasty Tales which he successfully defended from an obscenity charge. He later wrote for the mainstream New Musical Express, for which he wrote the article The Titanic Sails At Dawn, an analysis of what he considered the malaise afflicting then-contemporary rock music and which described the conditions that subsequently resulted in punk."
I stuck this on a few years back but it's worth repeating.
"It's Quo time. From the reverberations of enthusiasm in the crowd, it's quite obvious that they're the band that the majority of people have come to see.
Status Quo must be the most solid, workmanlike crowd pleasers working in this country today. They're unmistakenly beer-and-fags British. They are obviously aware of their limitations, and they are quite clear that the people have come to hear nothing more than their hallmarked overdrive R&B – and they don't disappoint them.
Within their very limited terms of reference, Quo are brilliant. Their sound is their product and they undoubtedly give value for money.
The sun has gone and the darkness is starting to close in. For the first time, the stage lights come on. Rossi stomps and roams the stage while the others fall into the bending, head bobbing stance that has become their trademark.
I take a walk out in the audience. The crush at the front is frenziedly echoing the move. They are obviously getting exactly what they want.
As I watch I realise that Quo are pretty much the Charles Bronsons of British rock. They have the horny-handed expertise of artists who don't aspire to anything more than entertaining their audience. Bronson will never play Hamlet and Quo will probably never produce a Sgt. Pepper. Both however, know their market and stick to it.
Just before it becomes totally dark, Chalkie and I climb the old tower of the castle. Looking out from the 600 year-old battlements we see that stage surrounded by a bobbing sea of people. Oddly enough it all fits together: very logical and Very British."
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 19, 2020 21:29:19 GMT
freewilly Do you mean Brian? I saw yet another poll where he'd come top recently, I also saw another one who said it was Jimi Hendrix. On the hair front you could always do a Francis and go for the ponytail and ribbon bow, or A Ritchie and get some "assistance" Oh no, not Brian! I was referring to Page. Yeah, Jimmy's snotty arrogance certainly isn't justified by his lead playing. There's only about one solo of his that affects me on an emotional level. Oddly enough one of my faves (Alex Lifeson) was a big Page admirer early on. Night and day as far as commitment goes, IMO. Now there you've got a great axeman. But I think that’s Quo in a nutshell. No real virtuosos in any capacity but far better than the sun of their parts. A bit like the Beatles then - which also gets echoed in the "frantic four" nickname (even if it may not have been positively connoted at first) and the fact that they had three good lead singers. Musical ability was a perceived factor; no question about that. But even back then I never saw guitarists like Steve Howe or Jimmy Page as sounding particularly great. But I was no musician, so I took the media at it's word. Both are probably very good but neither are especially good soloists in my view. Certainly no better than Francis. Steve Howe is world-class, sorry. He can probably disarm almost any other guitarist. Absolutely excellent on acoustic too. (It's him that plays the flamenco on Queen's "Innuendo") Very different style to most other rock guitarists though, so maybe not a good comparison. He's more like a jazz musician in that regard, perhaps more comparable to Zappa. Anybody who doesn't know what I'm talking about - go back to his short lead break on "Sound Chaser". Francis could only play like that if he were to speed it up by a considerably margin (á la Break the Rules). Like Joe Elliot and John Peel said, you had people who liked Tales from a Topographic Ocean, or Piledriver It's a tad bit unfair to always go on about Tales from Topographic Oceans. Yes made much better, shorter and more focused albums before and afterwards - Fragile, Close to the Edge and Relayer all eclipse it, and contain some of the most accomplished music in the entire rock idiom.
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mortified
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Post by mortified on Nov 20, 2020 7:43:20 GMT
Musical ability was a perceived factor; no question about that. But even back then I never saw guitarists like Steve Howe or Jimmy Page as sounding particularly great. But I was no musician, so I took the media at it's word. Both are probably very good but neither are especially good soloists in my view. Certainly no better than Francis. Steve Howe is world-class, sorry. He can probably disarm almost any other guitarist. Absolutely excellent on acoustic too. (It's him that plays the flamenco on Queen's "Innuendo") Very different style to most other rock guitarists though, so maybe not a good comparison. He's more like a jazz musician in that regard, perhaps more comparable to Zappa.
Anybody who doesn't know what I'm talking about - go back to his short lead break on "Sound Chaser". Francis could only play like that if he were to speed it up by a considerably margin (á la Break the Rules).I'd probably agree but as a soloist, I just don't think he's a rock guitarist. Certainly not in the traditional sense; the blues sense. He just doesn't have the 'feel' for it. But that's a different argument. As an all round musician generally, I dare say he's as good as it gets. By the way, is it just me, or does he look like something from "The Hobbit" these days? See? We can all resort to personal insults when challenged. I'd have made a great 70's journalist I suppose the point I'm making - and a point I even tried to make back then when discussing Jan Akkerman with a workmate (and I have NO idea why I remember that! - is that there is more to musicianship than dexterity and speed. That 'better' than someone else can be rendered completely subjective. Which takes us back to the 70's criticism that the band suffered. Round and round.... See what I did there?
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 20, 2020 10:12:55 GMT
I'd probably agree but as a soloist, I just don't think he's a rock guitarist. Certainly not in the traditional sense; the blues sense. He just doesn't have the 'feel' for it. But that's a different argument. As an all round musician generally, I dare say he's as good as it gets. By the way, is it just me, or does he look like something from "The Hobbit" these days? See? We can all resort to personal insults when challenged. I'd have made a great 70's journalist I suppose the point I'm making - and a point I even tried to make back then when discussing Jan Akkerman with a workmate (and I have NO idea why I remember that! - is that there is more to musicianship than dexterity and speed. That 'better' than someone else can be rendered completely subjective. Which takes us back to the 70's criticism that the band suffered. Round and round.... See what I did there? Incidentally, while Steve Howe is up for discussion, somebody posted this link on another site, very interesting: www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/steve-howe-interview-songs-without-yes-1028737/That solo on "Heat of the Moment" fits the rock mold, doesn't it?
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Nov 20, 2020 10:48:41 GMT
I had to Google Steve Howe
Sorry 😆
(Not a Yes man 😉)
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mortified
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Post by mortified on Nov 20, 2020 14:31:19 GMT
I'd probably agree but as a soloist, I just don't think he's a rock guitarist. Certainly not in the traditional sense; the blues sense. He just doesn't have the 'feel' for it. But that's a different argument. As an all round musician generally, I dare say he's as good as it gets. By the way, is it just me, or does he look like something from "The Hobbit" these days? See? We can all resort to personal insults when challenged. I'd have made a great 70's journalist I suppose the point I'm making - and a point I even tried to make back then when discussing Jan Akkerman with a workmate (and I have NO idea why I remember that! - is that there is more to musicianship than dexterity and speed. That 'better' than someone else can be rendered completely subjective. Which takes us back to the 70's criticism that the band suffered. Round and round.... See what I did there? Incidentally, while Steve Howe is up for discussion, somebody posted this link on another site, very interesting: www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/steve-howe-interview-songs-without-yes-1028737/That solo on "Heat of the Moment" fits the rock mold, doesn't it?I'd have to listen to it because I can't remember what it's like, although I am aware of the song. But the point I was really making was not that Steve Howe didn't perform 'rock' solos in the traditional sense, just that there are many better exponents of it who are generally considered to be inferior musicians.
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Post by frozenhero on Nov 20, 2020 21:48:33 GMT
I have to say even though I come from a very jazz-leaning family and play the guitar, I've never cared much for jazz guitarists because most of them tend to have a very puny sound. Often it's all mids with no bite at all. Just gets on my nerves after a while. Now Howe is not like that Anyway, sorry for the Umleitung.
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