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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 18, 2020 1:24:36 GMT
As the subject says; Why didn't they continue with Freddie after he filled in for Rick in 2016?
Richie obviously doing a great job, but Freddie played more like Rick and have a lot more drive in his playing than Richie does. Maybe he didn't want to play with daddy?
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Post by mortified on Nov 18, 2020 7:49:20 GMT
I think you've almost answered your own question.
Freddie has been trying to sort out his own career path with a number of bands over the years and, without saying it in so many words publicly, maybe simply didn't want to be in Quo. Wanted his own independence. As we all did at that age.
I have a few tracks by some of Freddie's bands (The Charge, Me And The Moon, The Dead Famous) and the music is a million miles from Quo. He's a very fine guitarist but he doesn't really exploit it with any of those bands. Not in the sense that there are cracking solos all over the place.
I just think he wants to do his own thing. Can't knock him for that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 8:01:04 GMT
I saw Freddie play live with the band three times and he is an excellent, accurate guitarist. He was also anonymous, soulless and incredibly dull with zero charisma or stage presence, so totally unsuited for the band. He was drafted in as emergency cover. Richie for me was much better, a guy who loves and understands the music and has really grown into his role, especially since he started doing lead vocals. You're never going to find another Rick so don't try, it would be an embarrassing pastiche, Richie is his own man and deserves respect for that.
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 18, 2020 13:56:18 GMT
I saw Freddie play live with the band three times and he is an excellent, accurate guitarist. He was also anonymous, soulless and incredibly dull with zero charisma or stage presence, so totally unsuited for the band. He was drafted in as emergency cover. Richie for me was much better, a guy who loves and understands the music and has really grown into his role, especially since he started doing lead vocals. You're never going to find another Rick so don't try, it would be an embarrassing pastiche, Richie is his own man and deserves respect for that. Yeah I obviously wasn't trying to knock Richie. I think he's great. I just think that Freddie has a lot more drive in his right hand. Just look at that Caroline intro! Freddie is also a damn fine solo guitarist if you go solely by his solo on Bad News and I don't think he was trying to be Rick when he filled in for them either. I just stumbled on this video and didn't remember the power he had when I saw them with him and started to wonder
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Post by mortified on Nov 18, 2020 14:53:40 GMT
Incidentally, he's also a very nice bloke From the skinny teenager in Rhino's band back in about 2006/2007, he filled out to become that big lad playing with Quo on stage. Must have been using Rhino's gym Incidentally, his brother Max is also a fine drummer, although I think he's packed it all in now.
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Post by curiousgirl on Nov 18, 2020 16:09:10 GMT
I think Bluehighway makes some great points.
I remember at the time that Freddie also had his own band which he wanted to keep playing in. He first played with Francis on his 2010 solo tour. And Francis said then that he always wanted to play with him. And as Bluehighway says, he was a natural choice in an emergency. Now I wonder if he wanted his independence from his dad too. A natural thing to want too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 17:08:30 GMT
I saw Freddie play live with the band three times and he is an excellent, accurate guitarist. He was also anonymous, soulless and incredibly dull with zero charisma or stage presence, so totally unsuited for the band. He was drafted in as emergency cover. Richie for me was much better, a guy who loves and understands the music and has really grown into his role, especially since he started doing lead vocals. You're never going to find another Rick so don't try, it would be an embarrassing pastiche, Richie is his own man and deserves respect for that. Yeah I obviously wasn't trying to knock Richie. I think he's great. I just think that Freddie has a lot more drive in his right hand. Just look at that Caroline intro!Freddie is also a damn fine solo guitarist if you go solely by his solo on Bad News and I don't think he was trying to be Rick when he filled in for them either. I just stumbled on this video and didn't remember the power he had when I saw them with him and started to wonder I first saw Freddie play Caroline on youtube and my first thought was oh no, he's trying to do a Rick and copy his guitar style exactly. As I said that just doesn't work and to me it looked as if he was trying way too hard and it sounded cold and clinical. Another reason he wouldn't have stayed apart from being totally unsuitable, is he's a skilled lead guitarist, albeit in a very different style to Quo, so why would he want to play rhythm guitar? When I saw him play live my impression was confirmed, it was a very "forced" guitar sound, not the superb natural rhythm work we got from Rick. Rhythm guitar is a difficult skill in itself, it's not to be seen as second rate to lead, think of Malcolm Young, Bruce Welch, vital to the sound of their respective bands just as Rick was. This for me is why Richie immediately sounded so much more part of the band without impersonating Rick than Freddie, who is probably technically the better guitarist, ever did.
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 18, 2020 18:25:00 GMT
Yeah I obviously wasn't trying to knock Richie. I think he's great. I just think that Freddie has a lot more drive in his right hand. Just look at that Caroline intro!Freddie is also a damn fine solo guitarist if you go solely by his solo on Bad News and I don't think he was trying to be Rick when he filled in for them either. I just stumbled on this video and didn't remember the power he had when I saw them with him and started to wonder I first saw Freddie play Caroline on youtube and my first thought was oh no, he's trying to do a Rick and copy his guitar style exactly. As I said that just doesn't work and to me it looked as if he was trying way too hard and it sounded cold and clinical. Another reason he wouldn't have stayed apart from being totally unsuitable, is he's a skilled lead guitarist, albeit in a very different style to Quo, so why would he want to play rhythm guitar? When I saw him play live my impression was confirmed, it was a very "forced" guitar sound, not the superb natural rhythm work we got from Rick. Rhythm guitar is a difficult skill in itself, it's not to be seen as second rate to lead, think of Malcolm Young, Bruce Welch, vital to the sound of their respective bands just as Rick was. This for me is why Richie immediately sounded so much more part of the band without impersonating Rick than Freddie, who is probably technically the better guitarist, ever did. I totally get what you're saying, but I don't agree with it all, I agree with some of it though. But that's all fine. Although I like Richie, I don't like his playing on the Caroline intro, I don't care if Freddie was trying to impersonate Rick on that specific intro, that's how it's supposed to be played. It's a hard hitting intro and if you don't play it like that the whole build up as a concert opener kinda dissolves into nothing. Other than that specific intro though, I think that Richie totally has grown in to his role. I just wish he got more leads. Or, that they scrap songs like Rain etc and just replace it with Francis songs all together. I would think that Richie would do a better job than Rhino as the lead vocalist on Rain though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 20:19:09 GMT
twentytwentyI just wish he got more leads. Or, that they scrap songs like Rain etc and just replace it with Francis songs all together. I would think that Richie would do a better job than Rhino as the lead vocalist on Rain though.Totally agree on this, Richie would do a great job on plenty of songs that were sung by Rick or Alan and haven't seen the light of day live in years. It's typical of Francis being awkward but to his own disadvantage in not splitting the vocals close to 50/50 with Richie. How many times over recent years have concerts on the winter tour been postponed because Francis had throat and vocal problems? Back then he was sharing vocals with Rick who by then was really struggling live with his voice, especially on the big rock numbers he was famed for. Now he could relieve Rhino of his "vocal" duties and have a much easier setlist on his voice if he chose to share the limelight. It will be interesting to see what setlist appears next year assuming with the vaccines that we can all get back to hopefully almost normal touring again.
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 18, 2020 20:23:26 GMT
twentytwenty I just wish he got more leads. Or, that they scrap songs like Rain etc and just replace it with Francis songs all together. I would think that Richie would do a better job than Rhino as the lead vocalist on Rain though.Totally agree on this, Richie would do a great job on plenty of songs that were sung by Rick or Alan and haven't seen the light of day live in years. It's typical of Francis being awkward but to his own disadvantage in not splitting the vocals close to 50/50 with Richie. How many times over recent years have concerts on the winter tour been postponed because Francis had throat and vocal problems? Back then he was sharing vocals with Rick who by then was really struggling live with his voice, especially on the big rock numbers he was famed for. Now he could relieve Rhino of his "vocal" duties and have a much easier setlist on his voice if he chose to share the limelight. It will be interesting to see what setlist appears next year assuming with the vaccines that we can all get back to hopefully almost normal touring again. You know, with the state of the band today -at least what it looks like- I wouldn't be surprised if they shook things up. They've already done that (by Rossis standards) and thrown in Backwater etc though lmao
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Nov 19, 2020 12:21:47 GMT
I feel that I have to step in and defend Freddie here.
As one of the times he stepped in, he had had zero rehearsal and wasn’t even using his own guitars, perhaps he was just concentrating on each song as opposed to worrying about charisma etc etc ?
They flew him from a radio interview he was doing to the gig and without even a sound check went on and played.
To me that’s incredible.
So let’s cut him some slack for having enough on his mind playing the songs correctly at incredibly short notice and helping to keep the show on the road I the most difficult circumstances
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 12:42:45 GMT
I feel that I have to step in and defend Freddie here. As one of the times he stepped in, he had had zero rehearsal and wasn’t even using his own guitars, perhaps he was just concentrating on each song as opposed to worrying about charisma etc etc ? They flew him from a radio interview he was doing to the gig and without even a sound check went on and played. To me that’s incredible. So let’s cut him some slack for having enough on his mind playing the songs correctly at incredibly short notice and helping to keep the show on the road I the most difficult circumstances As I said Freddie is an excellent technical guitarist and did a good job covering in an emergency, though it should have been easy as he'd heard the songs and setlist dozens of times and would be familiar with the live repertoire. The thing was his performances were static, I saw him three times up until Richie took over full time and there was no improvement in stage presence or naturalness of style. It was like employing a really good session player, great in the studio for all genres, but doesn't cut it playing the same tracks live, his performances were like listening to a backing track of ultra perfect rhythm guitar. Tedious at best. No criticism of the guy for his musical talent, just Quo was not his arena to shine.
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Post by unspokenwords on Nov 19, 2020 13:01:37 GMT
I personally find these discussions hilarious.
Discussions about the merits of relative nobody's filling in for Rossi's tribute, novelty act as if it matters!!!
Who really cares?
Should this not be in the tribute band section?
(And Freddie probably had the more honest and authentic approach in all this: a job, do it and go back to my own band and music and not be involved in a fake pretence)
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Nov 19, 2020 13:11:03 GMT
I personally find these discussions hilarious. Discussions about the merits of relative nobody's filling in for Rossi's tribute, novelty act as if it matters!!! Who really cares? Should this not be in the tribute band section? (And Freddie probably had the more honest and authentic approach in all this: a job, do it and go back to my own band and music and not be involved in a fake pretence) [ It’s a Status Quo message board...people like to chat about band members, that’s who cares. And no, it shouldn’t be in the tribute section, as you well know !
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Post by twentytwenty on Nov 19, 2020 13:45:51 GMT
I personally find these discussions hilarious. Discussions about the merits of relative nobody's filling in for Rossi's tribute, novelty act as if it matters!!! Who really cares? Should this not be in the tribute band section? (And Freddie probably had the more honest and authentic approach in all this: a job, do it and go back to my own band and music and not be involved in a fake pretence) Freddie filled in for the band Status Quo. We discuss it on a Status Quo message board. What's hilarious is what you're doing here when you obviously don't like majority of the bands output.
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