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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 20, 2020 15:30:14 GMT
The raw multitrack files from several Queen and Rolling Stones recordings has surfaced online over the years, do anybody know if there's any Quo tracks that's out there? they'll be leaks, as record companies in general would rather the stems not be available for just anyone to play about with. A lot of other stems on the internet come from games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero were they are given mix down stems, rather than the full 24 tracks, so youd end up with 8 individual stems or so
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Post by sqcollector on Oct 20, 2020 16:33:15 GMT
For me, just the masters after the missing process would be enough : p I understand perfectly not wanting to expose the individual tracks. But why not allowing people to purchase the crude sound? Especially in this digital era, just make it available online. I suppose someone could argue that then people wouldn't buy CDs or whatever, which is a fair point. But CDs offer other features like mastered sound across the whole album and portability. Even though today that's not really something that matters. But people still buy vinyls despite the existence of CDs and other digital formats. CDs and vinyl also offer booklets and information, which is cool, and are a physical medium, which is still valuable. The raw multitrack files from several Queen and Rolling Stones recordings has surfaced online over the years, do anybody know if there's any Quo tracks that's out there? they'll be leaks, as record companies in general would rather the stems not be available for just anyone to play about with. A lot of other stems on the internet come from games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero were they are given mix down stems, rather than the full 24 tracks, so youd end up with 8 individual stems or so Some also come from DVDs that support surround sound (tracks split by the different channels), I believe.
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Post by twentytwenty on Oct 20, 2020 17:01:04 GMT
The raw multitrack files from several Queen and Rolling Stones recordings has surfaced online over the years, do anybody know if there's any Quo tracks that's out there? they'll be leaks, as record companies in general would rather the stems not be available for just anyone to play about with. A lot of other stems on the internet come from games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero were they are given mix down stems, rather than the full 24 tracks, so youd end up with 8 individual stems or so Of course they’re leaks, yeah. There are plenty of bands though that offer the multitracks, it really is a neat idea. NIN did it a couple of years ago for example. There’s also some online academies that offer the real deal, super fun!
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 20, 2020 18:16:37 GMT
As you seem to have quite an interest in the studio side of things sqcollector, with Arsis studios in mind, I thought you may like to know that 'Just Supposin' had been mixed at the Marquee with the exception of 'What You're Proposing'. It was an experiment of sorts to try mixing 'What You're Proposing' in Francis's Arsis loft studio. No automation and very limited outboard on an old Soundcraft compared to the SSL Consoles which were all the rage at the time. Against those odds, Rossi and John Eden nailed it and nearly a second No.1 in the charts if it hadn't been for Babs Streisand! Ah very interesting! I do like how What You're Proposing sounds. I find it very warm and natural. Well, it sounded great in a morning kitchen on a very old, medium sized tranny on release, and it's never sounded any worse, so he must've done something right!
For me, production really equates to a mixture of arrangement, and "can I hear the stuff I want to hear"?
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Oct 20, 2020 18:23:53 GMT
I have to say , I think the sound on the main body of Riffs is great .
( RAOTW and WYE had been recorded in 2001 I think)
The guitar sound on eg On the Road Again I think is crisp and clear.
I wish Heavy Traffic had had the sound of most of Riffs
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 18:43:47 GMT
Ah very interesting! I do like how What You're Proposing sounds. I find it very warm and natural. Well, it sounded great in a morning kitchen on a very old, medium sized tranny on release, and it's never sounded any worse, so he must've done something right!
For me, production really equates to a mixture of arrangement, and "can I hear the stuff I want to hear"?
Possibly the best description of the role of a producer I've ever heard. Your average listener isn't interested in recording technicalities, levels, compression etc. Most wouldn't have a clue what they meant and have zero interest in studio tapes being released online. A producer is there primarily to try and make the artist sound good to 99.9% of people who listen on the radio, online or in the case of us oldies go and buy a physical copy either vinyl or cd.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 20, 2020 18:44:48 GMT
I have to say , I think the sound on the main body of Riffs is great . ( RAOTW and WYE had been recorded in 2001 I think) Correct.
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Post by twentytwenty on Oct 20, 2020 23:13:16 GMT
Well, it sounded great in a morning kitchen on a very old, medium sized tranny on release, and it's never sounded any worse, so he must've done something right!
For me, production really equates to a mixture of arrangement, and "can I hear the stuff I want to hear"?
Possibly the best description of the role of a producer I've ever heard. Your average listener isn't interested in recording technicalities, levels, compression etc. Most wouldn't have a clue what they meant and have zero interest in studio tapes being released online. A producer is there primarily to try and make the artist sound good to 99.9% of people who listen on the radio, online or in the case of us oldies go and buy a physical copy either vinyl or cd. That’s why they could do it, if only for a one or a couple of songs.
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Post by mortified on Oct 21, 2020 5:58:48 GMT
Ah very interesting! I do like how What You're Proposing sounds. I find it very warm and natural. Well, it sounded great in a morning kitchen on a very old, medium sized tranny on release, and it's never sounded any worse, so he must've done something right!
For me, production really equates to a mixture of arrangement, and "can I hear the stuff I want to hear"?
Yep!
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Post by frozenhero on Oct 22, 2020 13:59:27 GMT
Well, it sounded great in a morning kitchen on a very old, medium sized tranny on release, and it's never sounded any worse, so he must've done something right!
For me, production really equates to a mixture of arrangement, and "can I hear the stuff I want to hear"?
Possibly the best description of the role of a producer I've ever heard. Your average listener isn't interested in recording technicalities, levels, compression etc. Most wouldn't have a clue what they meant and have zero interest in studio tapes being released online. I'll make an exception for compression (or rather limiting) at the mastering stage though. I've noticed how much my enjoyment of various CDs correlated with the dynamic levels. It was quite the revelation! A lot of newly produced music sounds like something I'll never want to pay money for because I'll get zero enjoyment out of it. I guess this is why reissues have outsold new albums in recent years. Being a complete caveman when it comes to technical things like this, I never know what's down to production, or engineering, or mixing, or compression (which is actually a new one on me in recent years but now spoken of like it was an every day occurrence) or a combination of everything including issues with vinyl. I tend to just listen and if it sounds a bit 'flat' or instruments/vocals aren't quite where I'd prefer them to be, I've always put that down to the production. Which it maybe isn't. I go by the overall 'sound' and do not have an ear for the minutiae. Or choose not to use it, put it that way. Albums that spring to mind in the past where I've thought, "ooh, that lacks clarity and a bit of oomph" but where I've normally really liked an artist are these: Defenders of the Faith - Judas Priest Making Contact - UFO Rockin' All Over The World - Quo (obviously very well documented) The Unforgettable Fire - U2 Diamond Dogs - Bowie Recycler - ZZ Top Black Rose - Thin Lizzy Animals - Pink Floyd None of these albums are new, of course, but they all made a lasting impression on me and, apart from Rockin', became my least favourite albums by these artists as a result, purely because of what I perceived to be a 'dull' sound. Then again, maybe I just had a crap stereo Although I paid a fortune for it! I only know two of those albums really well. Recycler I have no real issue with. It's a bit ballsier and less technological than Afterburner was, but doesn't descend into the scratchy, digitally distorted horror of the follow-ups. It does have a somewhat cold early 90s sound. But I think it's the last time Billy has written a mostly convincing set of melodies. Animals often gets criticized for its dull drum sound, even by the band itself, but again I can't say I've ever really noticed. Obviously it's less polished than Wish You Were Here, but I think it suits the material. For the record, it's among my favourite PF albums.
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Post by mortified on Oct 22, 2020 14:49:29 GMT
Possibly the best description of the role of a producer I've ever heard. Your average listener isn't interested in recording technicalities, levels, compression etc. Most wouldn't have a clue what they meant and have zero interest in studio tapes being released online. I'll make an exception for compression (or rather limiting) at the mastering stage though. I've noticed how much my enjoyment of various CDs correlated with the dynamic levels. It was quite the revelation! A lot of newly produced music sounds like something I'll never want to pay money for because I'll get zero enjoyment out of it. I guess this is why reissues have outsold new albums in recent years. Being a complete caveman when it comes to technical things like this, I never know what's down to production, or engineering, or mixing, or compression (which is actually a new one on me in recent years but now spoken of like it was an every day occurrence) or a combination of everything including issues with vinyl. I tend to just listen and if it sounds a bit 'flat' or instruments/vocals aren't quite where I'd prefer them to be, I've always put that down to the production. Which it maybe isn't. I go by the overall 'sound' and do not have an ear for the minutiae. Or choose not to use it, put it that way. Albums that spring to mind in the past where I've thought, "ooh, that lacks clarity and a bit of oomph" but where I've normally really liked an artist are these: Defenders of the Faith - Judas Priest Making Contact - UFO Rockin' All Over The World - Quo (obviously very well documented) The Unforgettable Fire - U2 Diamond Dogs - Bowie Recycler - ZZ Top Black Rose - Thin Lizzy Animals - Pink Floyd None of these albums are new, of course, but they all made a lasting impression on me and, apart from Rockin', became my least favourite albums by these artists as a result, purely because of what I perceived to be a 'dull' sound. Then again, maybe I just had a crap stereo Although I paid a fortune for it! I only know two of those albums really well. Recycler I have no real issue with. It's a bit ballsier and less technological than Afterburner was, but doesn't descend into the scratchy, digitally distorted horror of the follow-ups. It does have a somewhat cold early 90s sound. But I think it's the last time Billy has written a mostly convincing set of melodies. I actually like the later albums with what sounds like dirty, over-fuzzed guitars. Particularly XXX which I just love. But we all hear and like different things. Or where would the discussion be?
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Post by frozenhero on Oct 22, 2020 18:51:37 GMT
XXX isn't half bad, I was pleasantly surprised by some of the tracks on that. It was also the last ZZ album mastered by Bob Ludwig, who'd been engineering their stuff for many years. Huge mistake to let him go!
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