roquer
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Post by roquer on Aug 2, 2020 16:57:05 GMT
We could probably have had a lot of archival content a lot quicker with the SQTV planned way back in 2007... but fans weren't keen on the idea 0f subscription fees. Digitising, remastering and remixing old tapes cost a fair bit and the best way would be with a subscription service to cover costs. Looking back, after knowing there's very little footage of the FF era, I can never see the point of SQTV. They never told what can be in the service anyway. Times changes, in 2007 there wasn't many online streaming services, now it could be just another one, but I think it could be one of the first just with material of a band. What if Universal do a streaming service with videos of all the bands that they have in the agenda? It could be interesting.
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Post by dennis on Aug 2, 2020 17:38:23 GMT
We could probably have had a lot of archival content a lot quicker with the SQTV planned way back in 2007... but fans weren't keen on the idea 0f subscription fees. Digitising, remastering and remixing old tapes cost a fair bit and the best way would be with a subscription service to cover costs. I'm probably not alone in feeling that such a subscription as you describe could leave me feeling as though I'm paying for a lot of content that has little or no appeal to me. Maybe it would be better to address each potential release as a standalone project & see whether the fan base would crowd fund it, perhaps with a range of funding entry points depending on the package you want to buy.
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Aug 2, 2020 17:45:20 GMT
They can only rely on milking on cheap compilations for so long, it’s about time they actually put in a bit of money to make a bit of money. Big bands and company’s leaving a looming rhetorical question such as “will it sell?” in regards to completely unreleased material from what is considered the group’s golden period really hammers the nail on the far business end of the ‘music business’, i.e. how do we make £/will it make £?, and knowing absolutely bugger all about the product they’re actually putting forward.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 2, 2020 19:37:50 GMT
We could probably have had a lot of archival content a lot quicker with the SQTV planned way back in 2007... but fans weren't keen on the idea 0f subscription fees. Digitising, remastering and remixing old tapes cost a fair bit and the best way would be with a subscription service to cover costs. I'm probably not alone in feeling that such a subscription as you describe could leave me feeling as though I'm paying for a lot of content that has little or no appeal to me. Maybe it would be better to address each potential release as a standalone project & see whether the fan base would crowd fund it, perhaps with a range of funding entry points depending on the package you want to buy. Crowdfunding is a massive no go. I've suggested it before. In regards to a subscription services, pretty much everything would end up on there, bit by bit. Obviously subscription based services weren't huge in 2007, but nowadays I reckon a Quo one is definitely needed.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 2, 2020 19:40:37 GMT
They can only rely on milking on cheap compilations for so long, it’s about time they actually put in a bit of money to make a bit of money. Big bands and company’s leaving a looming rhetorical question such as “will it sell?” in regards to completely unreleased material from what is considered the group’s golden period really hammers the nail on the far business end of the ‘music business’, i.e. how do we make £/will it make £?, and knowing absolutely bugger all about the product they’re actually putting forward. Compilations will always get done, regardless. It's probably a case of, like other businesses, If the money isn't getting used for said releases it will be taken back and reallocated. I couldn't tell you or be 100% about that. Compilations are cheap to do, as they are just thrown together, whereas digitising tapes and remixing costs quite a bit. You've got to think of the studio time alone just to bake / digitise the tapes and then you need someone to mix it.
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Post by cammythemortonfan on Aug 2, 2020 19:51:51 GMT
I’d love a DVD of the full NEC 89 show , including Rain and no edits of songs and the full encore. I’d also like this remixed !
Plus a dvd of the full one hour Knebworth.
A full Liverpool Pops cd as well from 2004 as what got released sounded fabulous and they performed the best version of Caroline I’ve ever heard .
Also a dvd of the full Montreux 2004.....the start of the gig never emerged...it was only from Hold You Back onwards that seemed to be circulated .
Hopefully I’m not being too greedy there !
Edit- was Pops 2005 ? As Ken Bruce would say: “one year out “!!
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Post by azza200 on Aug 2, 2020 19:56:45 GMT
I’d love a DVD of the full NEC 89 show , including Rain and no edits of songs and the full encore. I’d also like this remixed !
Plus a dvd of the full one hour Knebworth.A full Liverpool Pops cd as well from 2004 as what got released sounded fabulous and they performed the best version of Caroline I’ve ever heard . Also a dvd of the full Montreux 2004.....the start of the gig never emerged...it was only from Hold You Back onwards that seemed to be circulated . Hopefully I’m not being too greedy there ! A live dvd 2 disc set of NEC 89, Knebworth 90 & Live Alive Quo would be an instant buy for me 3 great shows Knebworth 90 is a hidden gem release what needs to be officially released they played a great set that day like all the acts that day except Cliff Richard
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Post by dennis on Aug 2, 2020 20:37:17 GMT
I'm probably not alone in feeling that such a subscription as you describe could leave me feeling as though I'm paying for a lot of content that has little or no appeal to me. Maybe it would be better to address each potential release as a standalone project & see whether the fan base would crowd fund it, perhaps with a range of funding entry points depending on the package you want to buy. Crowdfunding is a massive no go. I've suggested it before. In regards to a subscription services, pretty much everything would end up on there, bit by bit. Obviously subscription based services weren't huge in 2007, but nowadays I reckon a Quo one is definitely needed. I can understand them not entertaining the idea of crowd funding for their normal mainstream releases, but much of the material we're discussing is going to appeal to a niche market only involving the fans who are interested early is a good way to gauge real interest. A shame they won't consider it. I've seen artists use the patreon membership platform to support their work & it allows a lot of special material to be targeted at just the right audience - of course, that is subscription based but your buying so much more than a streaming service. I think the problem is, based on what I'm aware of via the official site etc., that it would require a degree of active management & engagement which just doesn't seem likely to be forthcoming.
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Aug 2, 2020 20:58:36 GMT
They can only rely on milking on cheap compilations for so long, it’s about time they actually put in a bit of money to make a bit of money. Big bands and company’s leaving a looming rhetorical question such as “will it sell?” in regards to completely unreleased material from what is considered the group’s golden period really hammers the nail on the far business end of the ‘music business’, i.e. how do we make £/will it make £?, and knowing absolutely bugger all about the product they’re actually putting forward. Compilations will always get done, regardless. It's probably a case of, like other businesses, If the money isn't getting used for said releases it will be taken back and reallocated. I couldn't tell you or be 100% about that. Compilations are cheap to do, as they are just thrown together, whereas digitising tapes and remixing costs quite a bit. You've got to think of the studio time alone just to bake / digitise the tapes and then you need someone to mix it. Yes that’s what I’m getting at, the inevitable endless cycle due to a lack of clarity of the audience they’re catering for. Extensive tape transferring, remastering, re-editing, etc. has led to many bands top releases, both in terms of popularity and £££, although this is due to great involvement from the band themselves or those very close to them who understand the playing field in terms of their fan base. The big issue of course, with this being Quo, Rossi respectfully isn’t keen on lingering on the past and doesn’t look as brightly on their most successful period, and most highly-regarded period, as basically anyone who’s ever had a vague interest in the band has, which really is probably the biggest piece missing from the jigsaw in terms of the Quo catalogue. Budget compilations that sit for £5-8 in every supermarket and filling station across the country = easy, hassle free money. It’s wether or not they want to take a stab at putting a larger chunk in to (most likely case scenario based on artists/bands releasing unreleased ‘golden period’ material) something that would very likely gain an awful lot more attention than they’d anticipate.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Aug 2, 2020 22:31:08 GMT
DVD from one of those tours aroun1999/2000 when they were playing 4500, Gerdundula and Roll Over in the same set. I think 1999 Never Say Never tour has a setlist I really liked. I don't think we've got a gig DVD from that era.
Plus the TV performance of Gerdundula that was announced in the press for the Old Grey Whistle Test, which appears not to exist.
I have this fantasy that one day a recording of them playing it acoustic with the original band wil turn up. Dream on!
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mortified
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Favourite Quo Album: Hello!
Favourite other bands.: Talking Heads, Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, Gary Numan, Alabama 3, ZZ Top, Paul van Dyk, Jeff Beck, Bowie, Gerry Rafferty, Band of Skulls, UFO, S.A.H.B
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Post by mortified on Aug 3, 2020 9:27:27 GMT
DVD from one of those tours aroun1999/2000 when they were playing 4500, Gerdundula and Roll Over in the same set. I think 1999 Never Say Never tour has a setlist I really liked. I don't think we've got a gig DVD from that era.
Plus the TV performance of Gerdundula that was announced in the press for the Old Grey Whistle Test, which appears not to exist.
I have this fantasy that one day a recording of them playing it acoustic with the original band wil turn up. Dream on!
They played it in 1975 on the On The Level tour. But it wasn't fully acoustic. Alan (I think) played a white strat, although that's from an old person's dodgy memory (i.e. mine ). As for the whole subscription/crowd funding argument, I'm afraid Quo find themselves caught between two stools. They have targeted the 'mass' market for so long it now forms a large part of their fan base. If you can call it a fan base. The chances of most of that target audience sitting in front of YouTube streaming old Quo videos is pretty slim I'd have thought. The other market (i.e. more hardcore for want of a better expression) is there but is it large enough to justify putting capital into projects that require a lot of work? Ticket sales went through the roof in 2013 for the reunion but it was fairly short lived. 2014 was good but nowhere near as magical. Or, I suspect, as successful. Certainly not in Europe. And which audience do you then target if you do decide to take the plunge? Can you try for both? Probably. In fact, they'd need to. QuocaQuola1 is probably right when he points to Francis Rossi's general lack of interest in the band's past; their artistic peak to many of us. But he seems to be largely unimpressed and dismissive of it. But still happy to play much of it. His perfectionist nature seems to indicate that he thought the band were musically poor in the past but can now play these songs better; so they do. To me, that's missing the point but then he's not a fan. Having said that, there has always been life in their live performances since day 1. And the clamouring on here for gigs post-86 as well as the 'classic' period is testimony to that.
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Post by dennis on Aug 3, 2020 10:25:24 GMT
DVD from one of those tours aroun1999/2000 when they were playing 4500, Gerdundula and Roll Over in the same set. I think 1999 Never Say Never tour has a setlist I really liked. I don't think we've got a gig DVD from that era.
Plus the TV performance of Gerdundula that was announced in the press for the Old Grey Whistle Test, which appears not to exist.
I have this fantasy that one day a recording of them playing it acoustic with the original band wil turn up. Dream on!
They played it in 1975 on the On The Level tour. But it wasn't fully acoustic. Alan (I think) played a white strat, although that's from an old person's dodgy memory (i.e. mine ). As for the whole subscription/crowd funding argument, I'm afraid Quo find themselves caught between two stools. They have targeted the 'mass' market for so long it now forms a large part of their fan base. If you can call it a fan base. The chances of most of that target audience sitting in front of YouTube streaming old Quo videos is pretty slim I'd have thought. The other market (i.e. more hardcore for want of a better expression) is there but is it large enough to justify putting capital into projects that require a lot of work? Ticket sales went through the roof in 2013 for the reunion but it was fairly short lived. 2014 was good but nowhere near as magical. Or, I suspect, as successful. Certainly not in Europe. And which audience do you then target if you do decide to take the plunge? Can you try for both? Probably. In fact, they'd need to. QuocaQuola1 is probably right when he points to Francis Rossi's general lack of interest in the band's past; their artistic peak to many of us. But he seems to be largely unimpressed and dismissive of it. But still happy to play much of it. His perfectionist nature seems to indicate that he thought the band were musically poor in the past but can now play these songs better; so they do. To me, that's missing the point but then he's not a fan. Having said that, there has always been life in their live performances since day 1. And the clamouring on here for gigs post-86 as well as the 'classic' period is testimony to that. I sometimes see reference made to this perfectionism that is attributed to Rossi, but his own performances all too often undermines that notion. Tbh, I can't understand where the perception that Rossi is any kind of perfectionist has arisen from. I just don't see it. If he really was one, what a bad fit to be in Quo! As we saw with the Reunion tours, the roughness that is part of classic Quo is absolutely part of their magnificence, imo.
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mortified
4500 Timer
Posts: 5,841
Favourite Quo Album: Hello!
Favourite other bands.: Talking Heads, Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, Gary Numan, Alabama 3, ZZ Top, Paul van Dyk, Jeff Beck, Bowie, Gerry Rafferty, Band of Skulls, UFO, S.A.H.B
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Post by mortified on Aug 3, 2020 10:35:17 GMT
They played it in 1975 on the On The Level tour. But it wasn't fully acoustic. Alan (I think) played a white strat, although that's from an old person's dodgy memory (i.e. mine ). As for the whole subscription/crowd funding argument, I'm afraid Quo find themselves caught between two stools. They have targeted the 'mass' market for so long it now forms a large part of their fan base. If you can call it a fan base. The chances of most of that target audience sitting in front of YouTube streaming old Quo videos is pretty slim I'd have thought. The other market (i.e. more hardcore for want of a better expression) is there but is it large enough to justify putting capital into projects that require a lot of work? Ticket sales went through the roof in 2013 for the reunion but it was fairly short lived. 2014 was good but nowhere near as magical. Or, I suspect, as successful. Certainly not in Europe. And which audience do you then target if you do decide to take the plunge? Can you try for both? Probably. In fact, they'd need to. QuocaQuola1 is probably right when he points to Francis Rossi's general lack of interest in the band's past; their artistic peak to many of us. But he seems to be largely unimpressed and dismissive of it. But still happy to play much of it. His perfectionist nature seems to indicate that he thought the band were musically poor in the past but can now play these songs better; so they do. To me, that's missing the point but then he's not a fan. Having said that, there has always been life in their live performances since day 1. And the clamouring on here for gigs post-86 as well as the 'classic' period is testimony to that. I sometimes see reference made to this perfectionism that is attributed to Rossi, but his own performances all too often undermine that notion. Tbh, I can't understand where the perception that Rossi is any kind of perfectionist has arisen from. I just don't see it. If he really was one, what a bad fit to be in Quo! As we saw with the Reunion tours, the roughness that is part of classic Quo is absolutely part of their magnificence, imo. I think Francis sees himself as a perfectionist. Or at least, subconsciously, that's how he operates. Or maybe perfection as a performing unit is his reason for getting up in the morning. He just comes across like that sometimes. Achieving it is something else entirely but it means he keeps striving for it at all costs. At a cost to the fluidity of the set, that's for sure. I totally agree though; that wild, rough band of the early to mid-70's was everything to me. It was ONE of the reasons why I liked them so much. They were the antithesis of the likes of Yes, ELP and Genesis, all of whom made me wince. I still look occasionally at the Madrid footage, poor quality as it is, and think to myself, this band were truly awesome and it sends shivers down my spine. Because there is so little footage from that era, I have to remind myself how staggeringly brilliant they just LOOKED on stage, apart from anything else! I don't want perfection from my rock music; I want emotion and I want honesty.
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Aug 3, 2020 12:22:37 GMT
DVD from one of those tours aroun1999/2000 when they were playing 4500, Gerdundula and Roll Over in the same set. I think 1999 Never Say Never tour has a setlist I really liked. I don't think we've got a gig DVD from that era.
Plus the TV performance of Gerdundula that was announced in the press for the Old Grey Whistle Test, which appears not to exist.
I have this fantasy that one day a recording of them playing it acoustic with the original band wil turn up. Dream on!
They played it in 1975 on the On The Level tour. But it wasn't fully acoustic. Alan (I think) played a white strat, although that's from an old person's dodgy memory (i.e. mine ). As for the whole subscription/crowd funding argument, I'm afraid Quo find themselves caught between two stools. They have targeted the 'mass' market for so long it now forms a large part of their fan base. If you can call it a fan base. The chances of most of that target audience sitting in front of YouTube streaming old Quo videos is pretty slim I'd have thought. The other market (i.e. more hardcore for want of a better expression) is there but is it large enough to justify putting capital into projects that require a lot of work? Ticket sales went through the roof in 2013 for the reunion but it was fairly short lived. 2014 was good but nowhere near as magical. Or, I suspect, as successful. Certainly not in Europe. And which audience do you then target if you do decide to take the plunge? Can you try for both? Probably. In fact, they'd need to. QuocaQuola1 is probably right when he points to Francis Rossi's general lack of interest in the band's past; their artistic peak to many of us. But he seems to be largely unimpressed and dismissive of it. But still happy to play much of it. His perfectionist nature seems to indicate that he thought the band were musically poor in the past but can now play these songs better; so they do. To me, that's missing the point but then he's not a fan. Having said that, there has always been life in their live performances since day 1. And the clamouring on here for gigs post-86 as well as the 'classic' period is testimony to that. See I think there’s a fair amount of understanding to be handed to Rossi as well as I’d imagine the likes of the 3 chord trick and that could start to grind a bit over time, but also his nature of enjoyment in terms of exploring the light and shade of various genres, regardless of the outcome. In saying all that, I do hope he comes to terms with the 70s and appreciates it more for his sake and what he actually accomplished.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 3, 2020 18:30:00 GMT
Talking of the Madrid 1975 footage. I genuinely think the story of the television station destroying the tapes after the 2000 rebroadcast is true, as the quality of it was bad back then and had visual issues during some of the songs.
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