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Post by Quoincidence on Mar 15, 2020 14:52:48 GMT
I've only just noticed that Rick overdubbed his vocals for this! Plenty of times he pulls away from the mic / stops singing and yet he's still singing
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Post by twentytwenty on Mar 15, 2020 15:27:48 GMT
Haha good catch!
Also; good god that snare drum is horrendous
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Mar 15, 2020 16:29:41 GMT
I’m not sure if I’m at a minority here but I always felt the MK gig to be more than a bit stale, almost sluggish. I don’t think the mix of the gig helps much but it very much does sound like a band that’s beyond the point of any real recognition of what direction they’re going.
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Post by twentytwenty on Mar 15, 2020 16:33:44 GMT
I’m not sure if I’m at a minority here but I always felt the MK gig to be more than a bit stale, almost sluggish. I don’t think the mix of the gig helps much but it very much does sound like a band that’s beyond the point of any real recognition of what direction they’re going. I never liked it either. Kircher doesn't help the situation either. Stale and emotionless. And the mix is sooooo bad.
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Post by sqcollector on Mar 15, 2020 16:39:40 GMT
I never liked Pete's drumming for Quo. The drums he used and the cymbals... Not appropriate for Quo, in my opinion. Coincidence or not, during the period he was part of the band, all the songs (live and studio) sounded a bit, as you say, stale, sluggish. The only exception I can think of is Cadillac Ranch.
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Post by twentytwenty on Mar 15, 2020 16:47:32 GMT
I never liked Pete's drumming for Quo. The drums he used and the cymbals... Not appropriate for Quo, in my opinion. Coincidence or not, during the period he was part of the band, all the songs (live and studio) sounded a bit, as you say, stale, sluggish. The only exception I can think of is Cadillac Ranch. I agree with everything you're saying, first time I heard Cadillac Ranch I actually thought it was Rich on the drums, and that's a huge compliment of course. But I agree, Kircher were super stale, they could as easily played with a drum machine during this time and it wouldn't have sounded any different.
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Post by Quoincidence on Mar 15, 2020 16:54:18 GMT
Haha good catch! Also; good god that snare drum is horrendous His snare didn't sound like that on the day or on the multitracks, so god knows what Tim Summerhayes did when he mixed the show
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Mar 15, 2020 20:01:50 GMT
I’m not sure if I’m at a minority here but I always felt the MK gig to be more than a bit stale, almost sluggish. I don’t think the mix of the gig helps much but it very much does sound like a band that’s beyond the point of any real recognition of what direction they’re going. I never liked it either. Kircher doesn't help the situation either. Stale and emotionless. And the mix is sooooo bad. See I never had a problem with Kircher per say, very to the point drumming, and if anything the NEC gig gives Live! a decent enough run for its money, but the drum sound I agree was never up to scratch both during 82 and 84.
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Post by gav on Mar 15, 2020 21:30:00 GMT
I much prefer the NEC '82 gig, but have no idea why.
Maybe there is a laziness or tiredness in the MK performance throughout, a lack of vitality, which we detect subconsciously?
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Post by twentytwenty on Mar 15, 2020 21:52:13 GMT
Haha good catch! Also; good god that snare drum is horrendous His snare didn't sound like that on the day or on the multitracks, so god knows what Tim Summerhayes did when he mixed the show Yeah I totally get that it's a mixing issue, it was how it supposed to sound in the 80s I guess. I have a problem with those big snares of the 80s, sounds like shite haha.
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Post by americanquo on Mar 16, 2020 3:59:15 GMT
I never liked Pete's drumming for Quo. The drums he used and the cymbals... Not appropriate for Quo, in my opinion. Coincidence or not, during the period he was part of the band, all the songs (live and studio) sounded a bit, as you say, stale, sluggish. The only exception I can think of is Cadillac Ranch. I agree with everything you're saying, first time I heard Cadillac Ranch I actually thought it was Rich on the drums, and that's a huge compliment of course. But I agree, Kircher were super stale, they could as easily played with a drum machine during this time and it wouldn't have sounded any different. I have never understood people who liked his drumming. I think he's terrible.
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Post by iamcomplaining88 on Mar 16, 2020 11:30:10 GMT
Can't agree with all the negative comments regarding Pete's drumming, this line up was my favourite line up as a live band and at the gigs I saw on the 1+9+8+2 and End Of The Road tours, Pete sounded great.
The mixes from the live recordings with Pete does not do his drumming any justice at all, it sounded far better than those mixes would suggest, also I'm glad he wasn't a John Coghlan clone.
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Post by markquo on Mar 16, 2020 20:59:25 GMT
Pete was great for Quo,looked and sounded the part too.Just got on with the job in hand. As for his choice of drums/cymbals Premier resonator and Paiste Rude.Great sounding drums and cymbals Always will be my favourite drummer for Quo Cheers
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Post by dennis on Mar 17, 2020 10:32:26 GMT
I always thought Pete did a great job on the road & probably wasn't offered much scope to express himself too much in the studio. The MK bowl gig was the end, the very end we thought, of a long tour & there was an emotional element to the day too so I don't think the day was set up for an ideal performance from the band. I'm sure they played many better gigs on that tour. I saw them in Oxford, Leicester, Selhurst Park & Milton Keynes &, to my mind, Leicester was the pick of their performances.
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Post by Gaz on Mar 17, 2020 10:52:45 GMT
Yes Pete may have been good for Quo during those trying times BUT for those who never saw Quo live in concert, and on albums in the 70s during their blistering best... you’re simply surmising to suggest Pete was better fitted than John Coghlan for Quo. Quo is and always will be the simple chemistry of Alan Lancaster, Francis Rossi, John Coghlan, Rick Parfitt ,(Andy Bown)
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