acoje
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Post by acoje on Jan 4, 2020 15:28:59 GMT
Hi Folks, This is my first post so sorry if I mess it up. I'm Tony, been reading the forum for a long time and thought I'd take the plunge and post something.
I've often wondered what happened the recording of 13th may 1982, it was obviously recorded because they replaced hold you back on the official recording from the 14th with the hold you back recording from the 13th,it might have been a test for the next night, but I don't think it's ever shown up anywhere, it isn't shown in the gigography as existing, so where is it?
Is it just typical Quo not caring about preserving anything at that time? If it was ever going to be released (if it still exists) surely the perfect time would have been when "live at the NEC" was released in full a few years ago.
Anyone on here know anything about it? Where it might be? Sorry if this is an old subject. Happy new year to you all.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 4, 2020 17:02:52 GMT
It does still exist, well audibly anyway.
Both nights were filmed, 1st night footage will have been wiped and reused by the BBC somewhere down the line. The footage from the 13th and 14th was combined together for the December 1982 broadcast of the show.
The audio reels for the gig seem to be here, there and everywhere. Universal have bits from it in their archives and Rossi will more than likely have some in his archive. 14th gig audio reels still exist also.
Quo recorded a couple gigs that the fans don't know about, but that's for a different time.
Cheers
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Post by gerh on Jan 4, 2020 18:49:53 GMT
I don't know nuthin' about it [ Quoincidence is yer man for all that type of thing! (and more, too!) ] But I just wanted to say 'welcome' acoje G
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Post by vivfromcov on Jan 4, 2020 20:39:20 GMT
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Post by curiousgirl on Jan 4, 2020 22:02:20 GMT
Happy New Year and welcome Tony.
No question is ever too old. This forum is becoming a great resource for keeping the Quo legacy alive.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 5, 2020 2:13:38 GMT
Yes “welcome” Tony. Great question and as usual QI knows the answer! So.... intriguing QI, where are the said unknown gigs from? Somewhere in the Midlands perchance... in the late 70’s? OB ..... Dropped you a message
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 5, 2020 2:17:19 GMT
Arnhem Rijnhal, 5th November 1994 was "filmed", but I think they only captured footage of Restless which was obviously used very briefly in the Promo Video, to the point I find it very pointless they bothered filming it at all. overall 8 seconds of footage is used from the gig.
Same goes for the Zwolle Ijsselhal, 8th May 1984. Won't exist anymore, I don't think. The "soundcheck // playback" performance of Going Down Town Tonight // Live footage was captured by a German film crew.
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acoje
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Post by acoje on Jan 5, 2020 10:27:54 GMT
Thank you all so much for the welcome, i'm very happy to be here Very interesting about the december broadcast being a mix of the two nights, I always assumed it was a repeat of the original live tv broadcast, I'll have to go back and listen to it again, see if I can spot any differences. What about the recording Tommy Vance played on the friday rock show? I have that somewhere and it was pretty good FM quality, if I remember right it had the original hold you back where Rossi's guitar gets hit with something, which was changed when it was released on "live at the BBC'' It's great to know they recorded more gigs than we know about, I only hope they're made available somehow because there really isn't much good quality Quo recordings out there compared to say Rory Gallagher who seems to have done much more radio and tv live. All I know on video from the frantics era is a little bit from the Marquee in 72, Empire pool, Madrid, and Bingley hall none of them full gigs, at least we've got doing their thing and a few beat clubs. I hope there's more to come. Many thanks Quoincidence.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 5, 2020 13:00:22 GMT
Thank you all so much for the welcome, i'm very happy to be here Very interesting about the december broadcast being a mix of the two nights, I always assumed it was a repeat of the original live tv broadcast, I'll have to go back and listen to it again, see if I can spot any differences. What about the recording Tommy Vance played on the friday rock show? I have that somewhere and it was pretty good FM quality, if I remember right it had the original hold you back where Rossi's guitar gets hit with something, which was changed when it was released on "live at the BBC'' It's great to know they recorded more gigs than we know about, I only hope they're made available somehow because there really isn't much good quality Quo recordings out there compared to say Rory Gallagher who seems to have done much more radio and tv live. All I know on video from the frantics era is a little bit from the Marquee in 72, Empire pool, Madrid, and Bingley hall none of them full gigs, at least we've got doing their thing and a few beat clubs. I hope there's more to come. Many thanks Quoincidence. Here's the December TV rebroadcast Songs that contain footage from both nights are; Caroline (had to cut that from the video due to it being heavily copy-written) Roll Over Lay Down Backwater Whatever You Want A bottle hits Rossi's guitar during the last jig during Hold You Back. You don't see it happen as the camera is panning around the crowd, but you see a roadie / crew member run onto the stage and pick it up. The incident was overdubbed on the VHS & LaserDisc release but for every CD, Vinyl & Cassette format since it's released, they have used the audio from the night prior. The only time the officially dated the audio as coming from the 13th May gig is on the Rockers Rollin' 2001 boxset. Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show broadcast the gig in full on January 7th 1983, however the incorrect version of Hold You Back was included with the broadcast airing. The version used on the BBC Boxset was a different broadcast entirely, where it faded out during the Jig during Roadhouse Blues. That was also poorly fixed on the BBC Boxset. Madrid 1975 gig has possibly been destroyed by the TV company that filmed it due to the bad state it was in when they broadcast it in the year 2000. Wembley Empire Pool 1974 footage was done quickly and cheaply. They had issues with cameras on the night, and the audio was p*ss poorly captured, however, the Whistle Test aired a great sounding version of Big Fat Mama from that show. Marquee 1972 is missing, but it was filmed by a Swedish TV crew so it isn't Quo's fault or the Record Companies. Bingley Hall 1977 will have been filmed in full and the TV company will have selected so many songs, 3 in this case, to be broadcast on TV. The tapes were probably wiped within a week or 2 after the thing had been filmed. Quo could have kept the show but they would have had to purchase the reels. Take Care, QI
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acoje
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Post by acoje on Jan 5, 2020 13:30:03 GMT
Thank you all so much for the welcome, i'm very happy to be here Very interesting about the december broadcast being a mix of the two nights, I always assumed it was a repeat of the original live tv broadcast, I'll have to go back and listen to it again, see if I can spot any differences. What about the recording Tommy Vance played on the friday rock show? I have that somewhere and it was pretty good FM quality, if I remember right it had the original hold you back where Rossi's guitar gets hit with something, which was changed when it was released on "live at the BBC'' It's great to know they recorded more gigs than we know about, I only hope they're made available somehow because there really isn't much good quality Quo recordings out there compared to say Rory Gallagher who seems to have done much more radio and tv live. All I know on video from the frantics era is a little bit from the Marquee in 72, Empire pool, Madrid, and Bingley hall none of them full gigs, at least we've got doing their thing and a few beat clubs. I hope there's more to come. Many thanks Quoincidence. Here's the December TV rebroadcast Songs that contain footage from both nights are; Caroline (had to cut that from the video due to it being heavily copy-written) Roll Over Lay Down Backwater Whatever You Want A bottle hits Rossi's guitar during the last jig during Hold You Back. You don't see it happen as the camera is panning around the crowd, but you see a roadie / crew member run onto the stage and pick it up. The incident was overdubbed on the VHS & LaserDisc release but for every CD, Vinyl & Cassette format since it's released, they have used the audio from the night prior. The only time the officially dated the audio as coming from the 13th May gig is on the Rockers Rollin' 2001 boxset. Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show broadcast the gig in full on January 7th 1983, however the incorrect version of Hold You Back was included with the broadcast airing. The version used on the BBC Boxset was a different broadcast entirely, where it faded out during the Jig during Roadhouse Blues. That was also poorly fixed on the BBC Boxset. Madrid 1975 gig has possibly been destroyed by the TV company that filmed it due to the bad state it was in when they broadcast it in the year 2000. Wembley Empire Pool 1974 footage was done quickly and cheaply. They had issues with cameras on the night, and the audio was p*ss poorly captured, however, the Whistle Test aired a great sounding version of Big Fat Mama from that show. Marquee 1972 is missing, but it was filmed by a Swedish TV crew so it isn't Quo's fault or the Record Companies. Bingley Hall 1977 will have been filmed in full and the TV company will have selected so many songs, 3 in this case, to be broadcast on TV. The tapes were probably wiped within a week or 2 after the thing had been filmed. Quo could have kept the show but they would have had to purchase the reels. Take Care, QI Thanks for clearing that up Quoincidence, so it was only footage, but no audio from the 13th in the december broadcast? I still have somewhere the old vhs copy of the NEC gig, but no player anymore but do remember the roadie running on as it pans. Sorry but what do you mean the by incorrect version of hyb from the friday rock show? You mean it was also the same version as was released, from the 13th? I'm gonna try find it and have a listen.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 5, 2020 13:41:06 GMT
Here's the December TV rebroadcast Songs that contain footage from both nights are; Caroline (had to cut that from the video due to it being heavily copy-written) Roll Over Lay Down Backwater Whatever You Want A bottle hits Rossi's guitar during the last jig during Hold You Back. You don't see it happen as the camera is panning around the crowd, but you see a roadie / crew member run onto the stage and pick it up. The incident was overdubbed on the VHS & LaserDisc release but for every CD, Vinyl & Cassette format since it's released, they have used the audio from the night prior. The only time the officially dated the audio as coming from the 13th May gig is on the Rockers Rollin' 2001 boxset. Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show broadcast the gig in full on January 7th 1983, however the incorrect version of Hold You Back was included with the broadcast airing. The version used on the BBC Boxset was a different broadcast entirely, where it faded out during the Jig during Roadhouse Blues. That was also poorly fixed on the BBC Boxset. Madrid 1975 gig has possibly been destroyed by the TV company that filmed it due to the bad state it was in when they broadcast it in the year 2000. Wembley Empire Pool 1974 footage was done quickly and cheaply. They had issues with cameras on the night, and the audio was p*ss poorly captured, however, the Whistle Test aired a great sounding version of Big Fat Mama from that show. Marquee 1972 is missing, but it was filmed by a Swedish TV crew so it isn't Quo's fault or the Record Companies. Bingley Hall 1977 will have been filmed in full and the TV company will have selected so many songs, 3 in this case, to be broadcast on TV. The tapes were probably wiped within a week or 2 after the thing had been filmed. Quo could have kept the show but they would have had to purchase the reels. Take Care, QI Thanks for clearing that up Quoincidence, so it was only footage, but no audio from the 13th in the december broadcast? I still have somewhere the old vhs copy of the NEC gig, but no player anymore but do remember the roadie running on as it pans. Sorry but what do you mean the by incorrect version of hyb from the friday rock show? You mean it was also the same version as was released, from the 13th? I'm gonna try find it and have a listen. Yep. Every radio broadcast copy I've ever had or still have of the Prince Charles concert include Hold You Back from the 13th May gig. And no audio from the 13th gig was included in the rebroadcast, just bits of footage.
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Post by 4th Chord on Jan 5, 2020 13:42:06 GMT
Hi Folks, This is my first post so sorry if I mess it up. I'm Tony, been reading the forum for a long time and thought I'd take the plunge and post something. I've often wondered what happened the recording of 13th may 1982, it was obviously recorded because they replaced hold you back on the official recording from the 14th with the hold you back recording from the 13th,it might have been a test for the next night, but I don't think it's ever shown up anywhere, it isn't shown in the gigography as existing, so where is it? Is it just typical Quo not caring about preserving anything at that time? If it was ever going to be released (if it still exists) surely the perfect time would have been when "live at the NEC" was released in full a few years ago. Anyone on here know anything about it? Where it might be? Sorry if this is an old subject. Happy new year to you all. Hi Tony, welcome! Quoincidence is our resident board expert in such matters! If you ever want to tag a member in a post so they are notified, put the @ sign before their username. If you want to tag admin (me) it @ before admin. You anywhere near the fires in Oz? Hope you and our other Australian members are ok.
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acoje
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Post by acoje on Jan 5, 2020 13:49:14 GMT
Hi Folks, This is my first post so sorry if I mess it up. I'm Tony, been reading the forum for a long time and thought I'd take the plunge and post something. I've often wondered what happened the recording of 13th may 1982, it was obviously recorded because they replaced hold you back on the official recording from the 14th with the hold you back recording from the 13th,it might have been a test for the next night, but I don't think it's ever shown up anywhere, it isn't shown in the gigography as existing, so where is it? Is it just typical Quo not caring about preserving anything at that time? If it was ever going to be released (if it still exists) surely the perfect time would have been when "live at the NEC" was released in full a few years ago. Anyone on here know anything about it? Where it might be? Sorry if this is an old subject. Happy new year to you all. Hi Tony, welcome! Quoincidence is our resident board expert in such matters! If you ever want to tag a member in a post so they are notified, put the @ sign before their username. If you want to tag admin (me) it @ before admin. You anywhere near the fires in Oz? Hope you and our other Australian members are ok. Many thanks @4th Chord I'm in the middle of nowhere in Western Australia, we've been lucky here, a couple of fires about a month ago, but nothing since. Hope you're well too.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Jan 5, 2020 13:49:28 GMT
I found this on the old YT, BFM Wembley 74 overdubbed with Glasgow 76. OK it's not authentic but it's a very good match of visual and sound and improves upon the poor audio from the original 74 clip.
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Post by Quoincidence on Jan 5, 2020 14:13:44 GMT
I found this on the old YT, BFM Wembley 74 overdubbed with Glasgow 76. OK it's not authentic but it's a very good match of visual and sound and improves upon the poor audio from the original 74 clip. J Here's the Old Grey Whistle Test broadcast of Big Fat Mama from the Wembley gig. Just goes to show that the audio was once better than it is now, due to poor management
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