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Post by René on Feb 22, 2020 19:29:34 GMT
Let’s hope we finally get the truth Cheers The truth will be out there when Andy is going to write about his time in Quo
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Feb 22, 2020 20:36:28 GMT
Let’s hope we finally get the truth Cheers The truth will be out there when Andy is going to write about his time in Quo Everybody goes on about the truth (I'm not particularly having a go at you Rene). Where as actually, if someone else tells their side of the story, it's just their opinion, their view on things. If everyone else tells a different (but same) story than Francis or Rick then there's a good chance it's true. But the only way you get the real truth is if all the people concerned sit down together and discuss it/argue about it, until they all agree on a version of events. Otherwise, all we get is someone else's version of events. And who's to say that Andrew's version, or Alan's version, or John's version is any closer to the actual truth than Francis' version or Rick's version (in the 2 joint autobiographies). I would be interested to hear other versions, but I wouldn't automatically take them as the truth unless they all said the same thing. That's how I see it.
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Post by charles on Feb 24, 2020 16:52:10 GMT
I think your view is an alternative truth.
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Feb 27, 2020 9:42:22 GMT
Let’s hope we finally get the truth Cheers The truth will be out there when Andy is going to write about his time in Quo I bet Roger Waters won't be looking forward to that book😄..
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Post by allyp on Mar 5, 2020 15:35:42 GMT
I'm trying to think of an intelligent response to these.
AAARGHHHH!
Whereas I like them both quite a bit. Heard these before and sound totally at odds with Alan’s aim at directing the band in a more heavier direction. I am not sure whether he started to compete with Rossi trying to write catchy 3 minute pop songs or just wanted to get his songs on the albums.
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Post by gav on Mar 5, 2020 16:17:54 GMT
Whereas I like them both quite a bit. Heard these before and sound totally at odds with Alan’s aim at directing the band in a more heavier direction. I am not sure whether he started to compete with Rossi trying to write catchy 3 minute pop songs or just wanted to get his songs on the albums. The days of sitting in a circle jamming or writing together to create rock classics/epics ended when Alan's move to Australia effectively put an end to that band dynamic. What was left was 3 guys competing with each other, all with their neat little rock/pop songs they'd written at home, sans that earthy, organic band co-operative. My tuppence.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 5, 2020 19:30:01 GMT
That could be right. But they could have gone on like that IF they had really wanted to. Like so much that happened in Quo's career, it was happy chance.
Iron Maiden have members scattered across the Western Hemisphere, but they still all get together to write and record.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 6, 2020 15:25:46 GMT
I've heard Francis' latest interview, in which he says that Softer Ride is his song and not Rick and Alan's. I'd believe him in regards that. It sounds like a Rossi/Young song
However, he then says only he wrote Roll Over Lay Down, with Bob Young and no one else had anything to do with it. That is complete and utter lies! That entire mid section and breakdowns have Rick and Alan trademarks all over it. Sounds nothing like Rossi/Young material
My point is, we're never going to get the truth.
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Post by allyp on Mar 6, 2020 19:48:23 GMT
I've heard Francis' latest interview, in which he says that Softer Ride is his song and not Rick and Alan's. I'd believe him in regards that. It sounds like a Rossi/Young song However, he then says only he wrote Roll Over Lay Down, with Bob Young and no one else had anything to do with it. That is complete and utter lies! That entire mid section and breakdowns have Rick and Alan trademarks all over it. Sounds nothing like Rossi/Young material My point is, we're never going to get the truth. I suppose it all depends how you define how someone writes a song. I think maybe Francis was referring to the way the song was written lyrically not musically?? Most of what bands past and present have come up with has in some shape or form been a combined effort in some way. For royalty reasons and occasionally ego some songs do get credited to maybe one or two people. For example many people think Bohemian Rhapsody was all Freddie Mercury when in fact all the guitar parts and much of the rock part of the song Brian May came up with but wasnt credited to him as Freddie wrote all the lyrics and MOST of the music. In Quo’s case Tracks like slow train,4500 times etc Alan and John C had a bit say in but didnt get a credit on those songs. Politics pays a big part and this is probably why many bands just credit everything under one name to share out royalties and save arguments. Maybe in the case of softer ride parfitt/lancaster got the credit due to their musical contribution to the song and to level out the writing credits for financial reasons?
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Post by freewilly on Mar 6, 2020 21:35:57 GMT
I've heard Francis' latest interview, in which he says that Softer Ride is his song and not Rick and Alan's. I'd believe him in regards that. It sounds like a Rossi/Young song However, he then says only he wrote Roll Over Lay Down, with Bob Young and no one else had anything to do with it. That is complete and utter lies! That entire mid section and breakdowns have Rick and Alan trademarks all over it. Sounds nothing like Rossi/Young material My point is, we're never going to get the truth. I suppose it all depends how you define how someone writes a song. I think maybe Francis was referring to the way the song was written lyrically not musically?? Most of what bands past and present have come up with has in some shape or form been a combined effort in some way. For royalty reasons and occasionally ego some songs do get credited to maybe one or two people. For example many people think Bohemian Rhapsody was all Freddie Mercury when in fact all the guitar parts and much of the rock part of the song Brian May came up with but wasnt credited to him as Freddie wrote all the lyrics and MOST of the music. In Quo’s case Tracks like slow train,4500 times etc Alan and John C had a bit say in but didnt get a credit on those songs. Politics pays a big part and this is probably why many bands just credit everything under one name to share out royalties and save arguments. Maybe in the case of softer ride parfitt/lancaster got the credit due to their musical contribution to the song and to level out the writing credits for financial reasons? Fuck... Are you the same allyp from the old boards?
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Post by allyp on Mar 7, 2020 19:52:05 GMT
I suppose it all depends how you define how someone writes a song. I think maybe Francis was referring to the way the song was written lyrically not musically?? Most of what bands past and present have come up with has in some shape or form been a combined effort in some way. For royalty reasons and occasionally ego some songs do get credited to maybe one or two people. For example many people think Bohemian Rhapsody was all Freddie Mercury when in fact all the guitar parts and much of the rock part of the song Brian May came up with but wasnt credited to him as Freddie wrote all the lyrics and MOST of the music. In Quo’s case Tracks like slow train,4500 times etc Alan and John C had a bit say in but didnt get a credit on those songs. Politics pays a big part and this is probably why many bands just credit everything under one name to share out royalties and save arguments. Maybe in the case of softer ride parfitt/lancaster got the credit due to their musical contribution to the song and to level out the writing credits for financial reasons? Fuck... Are you the same allyp from the old boards? Fraid so still waffling on lol
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Post by dennis on Mar 7, 2020 20:34:52 GMT
It always struck me that a lot of grief could have been avoided back in the day by crediting all songs to Status Quo/Bob Young & keeping the focus on making the song as good as it could be rather than quibbling over who did what.
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Mar 8, 2020 0:08:59 GMT
It always struck me that a lot of grief could have been avoided back in the day by crediting all songs to Status Quo/Bob Young & keeping the focus on making the song as good as it could be rather than quibbling over who did what. Yes it may seem good on paper but bare in mind not everything wrote is a 4 way split. Say for instance Rossi wrote the lyrics, melody, solo, chord structure, etc, and Alan chipped in the idea to swap a few words about. That’s the far extreme situation, but it’s hardly fair to credit everyone on what is essentially Rossi’s idea.
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Post by allyp on Mar 8, 2020 12:00:42 GMT
There was a classic case with the boomtown rats recently Their ex keyboard player Johnny Fingers took Bob Geldof to court over unpaid royalties. At the time the song was recorded the two of them wrote the song together. Geldof wrote the majority of the lyrics and fingers all the piano bit and chipped in with the “shoot the whole day down” bit. Geldof demanded the credit for the song but promised the rest of the band he would give money in due course. Not too sure if they knew at the time the song would be a massive hit selling millions of copies but just an example of how problematic these things can be in bands. In Quo’s case None of the band past and present have sued each other over royalties regarding writing credits but other political stuff via management and naming rights etc.
Big fat mama for example was mainly rossi’s musical structure and the original idea for the song was deemed not good enough apparently? Mystery song was another track which was really a band effort and Bob young helped with the lyrics there but Rick got the credit as structured the song was his idea. Correct me if facts wrong just going by reading articles over the years from all quarters.
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Post by dennis on Mar 8, 2020 12:08:54 GMT
It always struck me that a lot of grief could have been avoided back in the day by crediting all songs to Status Quo/Bob Young & keeping the focus on making the song as good as it could be rather than quibbling over who did what. Yes it may seem good on paper but bare in mind not everything wrote is a 4 way split. Say for instance Rossi wrote the lyrics, melody, solo, chord structure, etc, and Alan chipped in the idea to swap a few words about. That’s the far extreme situation, but it’s hardly fair to credit everyone on what is essentially Rossi’s idea. Aye, that's true on a song by song basis. Although we do know they all worked on the Quoing up arrangements back in the day. However, it's really about the bigger picture as in :"How do we avoid bickering over who wrote what & whether a particular instrumental feature merits a song-writing credit?" If the whole band is credited for all songs then the onus is on all band members to work collectively to make each song as strong as possible & the issue of who had the initial idea & who subsequently contributed which further idea becomes moot. I know it seemed to work well for the Stranglers, even though it was clear that some songs were obviously more influenced by one particular band member. As I said, it probably just saved a lot of arguments, which has to be beneficial to the longevity of the band.
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