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Post by gav on Oct 17, 2019 16:22:33 GMT
At the time they only released the Wanderer from that session with Cadillac Ranch appearing years down the line on the 4 disc set from Universal. As far as I know they recorded a few other tracks, one of which being Keep Me Guessing. I'll have to find the clip from the convention in early 85 where they mention the new album being in the works. Cheers
Do you know what other tracks were recorded in that session, and if Keep Me Guessing was completely re-recorded by the new line up, or just Rhino and Jeff (and Andy?) replacing parts/overdubbing?
Trying to think of other tracks around the time that also had saxophone...
Don't Give It Up is the only one that comes to mind, but as that's said to be a track from an old band of Rhino's, guessing it wouldn't have been known to Quo at the time of these sessions, unless he and Rick had already met by this time and Rick introduced the Live Aid line up to the song.
All conjecture.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 17, 2019 19:32:34 GMT
At the time they only released the Wanderer from that session with Cadillac Ranch appearing years down the line on the 4 disc set from Universal. As far as I know they recorded a few other tracks, one of which being Keep Me Guessing. I'll have to find the clip from the convention in early 85 where they mention the new album being in the works. Cheers
Do you know what other tracks were recorded in that session, and if Keep Me Guessing was completely re-recorded by the new line up, or just Rhino and Jeff (and Andy?) replacing parts/overdubbing?
Trying to think of other tracks around the time that also had saxophone...
Don't Give It Up is the only one that comes to mind, but as that's said to be a track from an old band of Rhino's, guessing it wouldn't have been known to Quo at the time of these sessions, unless he and Rick had already met by this time and Rick introduced the Live Aid line up to the song.
All conjecture.
No too sure what other tracks were recorded... I'm sure I've mentioned another track in a separate thread. Don't Give It Up originates from Rick solo album and Rossi never played on it, however I'm sure he get's credited on the single and every other release of it
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Post by gav on Oct 18, 2019 11:46:15 GMT
Do you know what other tracks were recorded in that session, and if Keep Me Guessing was completely re-recorded by the new line up, or just Rhino and Jeff (and Andy?) replacing parts/overdubbing?
Trying to think of other tracks around the time that also had saxophone...
Don't Give It Up is the only one that comes to mind, but as that's said to be a track from an old band of Rhino's, guessing it wouldn't have been known to Quo at the time of these sessions, unless he and Rick had already met by this time and Rick introduced the Live Aid line up to the song.
All conjecture.
No too sure what other tracks were recorded... I'm sure I've mentioned another track in a separate thread. Don't Give It Up originates from Rick solo album and Rossi never played on it, however I'm sure he get's credited on the single and every other release of it Of course, yeah, had momentarily forgotten Don't Give It Up was one from Rick's solo sessions. That narrows it down a bit then.
Lonely?
Often wonder what the deal is with Rossi getting credit on tracks that were recorded for Rick's solo project that he never played on. He gets credit on Heartburn, Late Last Night, and Don't Give It Up, but not on Long Legged Girls. He also gets a credit on Keep Me Guessing which is an old song of Rick and Bob's from the 70's. If there's some sort of gentleman's agreement between him and Parfitt, then it's not extended beyond the ITAN album when his song That's Alright is resurrected from his own solo sessions and Rick doesn't get a credit on that.
Was it simply a case of the two of them being out of it, Rossi offering Parfitt a compromise to the effect of...we don't have enough material so you get the most exposure with your solo stuff put out as Quo on the condition that i get a credit here and there cos i'm skint like you and have even less material to put on the album......? And Rick could sympathise.
Or was Rossi being a bit more stubborn to the effect of....i don't even really want to do Quo anymore so give me more credit than i actually deserve?
Who knows.
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Post by bullrich on Oct 18, 2019 17:15:44 GMT
At the time they only released the Wanderer from that session with Cadillac Ranch appearing years down the line on the 4 disc set from Universal. As far as I know they recorded a few other tracks, one of which being Keep Me Guessing. I'll have to find the clip from the convention in early 85 where they mention the new album being in the works. Cheers Do you know what other tracks were recorded in that session, and if Keep Me Guessing was completely re-recorded by the new line up, or just Rhino and Jeff (and Andy?) replacing parts/overdubbing? Trying to think of other tracks around the time that also had saxophone... Don't Give It Up is the only one that comes to mind, but as that's said to be a track from an old band of Rhino's, guessing it wouldn't have been known to Quo at the time of these sessions, unless he and Rick had already met by this time and Rick introduced the Live Aid line up to the song. All conjecture.
Maybe these 2 songs were also recorded during the "Wanderer-Sessions"?
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 18, 2019 18:22:52 GMT
No too sure what other tracks were recorded... I'm sure I've mentioned another track in a separate thread. Don't Give It Up originates from Rick solo album and Rossi never played on it, however I'm sure he get's credited on the single and every other release of it Of course, yeah, had momentarily forgotten Don't Give It Up was one from Rick's solo sessions. That narrows it down a bit then.
Lonely?
Often wonder what the deal is with Rossi getting credit on tracks that were recorded for Rick's solo project that he never played on. He gets credit on Heartburn, Late Last Night, and Don't Give It Up, but not on Long Legged Girls. He also gets a credit on Keep Me Guessing which is an old song of Rick and Bob's from the 70's. If there's some sort of gentleman's agreement between him and Parfitt, then it's not extended beyond the ITAN album when his song That's Alright is resurrected from his own solo sessions and Rick doesn't get a credit on that.
Was it simply a case of the two of them being out of it, Rossi offering Parfitt a compromise to the effect of...we don't have enough material so you get the most exposure with your solo stuff put out as Quo on the condition that i get a credit here and there cos i'm skint like you and have even less material to put on the album......? And Rick could sympathise.
Or was Rossi being a bit more stubborn to the effect of....i don't even really want to do Quo anymore so give me more credit than i actually deserve?
Who knows.
Not too sure about Lonely, but I'd have to say it's more of an early Army sessions tracks. Very simple and basic, like Quo's version of Rock N' Roll Floorboards. However, it does have a similar sort of style to Cadillac Ranch with the guitar riff being backed up by brass instruments. I don't know why Rossi get's credited really... Perhaps they made some sort of deal were if Rick wanted his solo songs to be used as B-Sides then Rossi had to get added to the credits, giving them both a cut on the royalties. He definitely doesn't play on the tracks at all because there's no difference between the Recorded Delivery Versions and the Army B-Sides. There are some reels with Rossi being listed as to having laid down a guitar track for those songs, but like I said, there's no difference at all. Rossi was better off money wise than Rick was, giving he was doing loads of promotional work for his solo material and the singles he had released at the time... Appearing on Wogan in April(?) 1985, whereas non of Ricks solo material was ever released during that period. Cheers
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 18, 2019 18:28:34 GMT
Do you know what other tracks were recorded in that session, and if Keep Me Guessing was completely re-recorded by the new line up, or just Rhino and Jeff (and Andy?) replacing parts/overdubbing? Trying to think of other tracks around the time that also had saxophone... Don't Give It Up is the only one that comes to mind, but as that's said to be a track from an old band of Rhino's, guessing it wouldn't have been known to Quo at the time of these sessions, unless he and Rick had already met by this time and Rick introduced the Live Aid line up to the song. All conjecture.
Maybe these 2 songs were also recorded during the "Wanderer-Sessions"? "Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is" definitely isn't a Quo track, especially with it just being a Demo. "One Of A Kind" was supposedly intended to be the B-Side to The Wanderer, so I fully believe that it possibly came from the September / October Sessions in 1984, especially listening to the production on it. The trigger sound on the snare hit at the beginning is similar to that on the Ol' Rag Blues intro
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Post by sqcollector on Nov 10, 2019 23:56:06 GMT
Of course, yeah, had momentarily forgotten Don't Give It Up was one from Rick's solo sessions. That narrows it down a bit then. Lonely?
Often wonder what the deal is with Rossi getting credit on tracks that were recorded for Rick's solo project that he never played on. He gets credit on Heartburn, Late Last Night, and Don't Give It Up, but not on Long Legged Girls. He also gets a credit on Keep Me Guessing which is an old song of Rick and Bob's from the 70's. If there's some sort of gentleman's agreement between him and Parfitt, then it's not extended beyond the ITAN album when his song That's Alright is resurrected from his own solo sessions and Rick doesn't get a credit on that. Was it simply a case of the two of them being out of it, Rossi offering Parfitt a compromise to the effect of...we don't have enough material so you get the most exposure with your solo stuff put out as Quo on the condition that i get a credit here and there cos i'm skint like you and have even less material to put on the album......? And Rick could sympathise. Or was Rossi being a bit more stubborn to the effect of....i don't even really want to do Quo anymore so give me more credit than i actually deserve? Who knows.
Not too sure about Lonely, but I'd have to say it's more of an early Army sessions tracks. Very simple and basic, like Quo's version of Rock N' Roll Floorboards. However, it does have a similar sort of style to Cadillac Ranch with the guitar riff being backed up by brass instruments. I don't know why Rossi get's credited really... Perhaps they made some sort of deal were if Rick wanted his solo songs to be used as B-Sides then Rossi had to get added to the credits, giving them both a cut on the royalties. He definitely doesn't play on the tracks at all because there's no difference between the Recorded Delivery Versions and the Army B-Sides. There are some reels with Rossi being listed as to having laid down a guitar track for those songs, but like I said, there's no difference at all. Rossi was better off money wise than Rick was, giving he was doing loads of promotional work for his solo material and the singles he had released at the time... Appearing on Wogan in April(?) 1985, whereas non of Ricks solo material was ever released during that period. Cheers I get your points. But some things: On Heartburn and Keep Me Guessing, you can hear Rossi's voice on the background vocals. On the latter, it seems he is actually struggling a bit on some parts, to reach those high notes. The IYCSTH deluxe also credits Rossi on the demos. Though those credits could just be a copy paste from the released versions. Regarding That's Alright, as weird as it is, Parfitt does get writing credits on it. Check this image. (However, this one doesn't...)
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Post by wolfman on Jan 27, 2020 9:38:50 GMT
Well it'll be Alan's version of the truth! is rossi's?
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Post by zen on Jan 28, 2020 11:59:16 GMT
Quoincidence,
Maybe you are looking for this part of the Quoconvention in Holland in 1985...watch also part 3 of it.... They talked about the future/solo albums...
Cheers, Quo zen
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Post by Triggsy on Feb 3, 2020 8:04:47 GMT
Some great information about the initial period after the EOTR Tour and pre ITAN, I would love Alan to publish his Autobiography and even John could update his 'Coghlan and Quo' book too? Can never get enough of Quo memories, just a real shame Ricks never saw the light of day before his passing, if only to get a balanced account of all the 'goings on' in Camp Quo through history of the Finest Band ever
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Post by piledriver62 on Feb 16, 2020 12:33:10 GMT
In 1984/1985 the band was practically over. Francis and Alan had different opinons about the musical course of the band and Francis didn't want to work with Alan anymore, mainly because of that. Drugs and big egos'(on both sides) did the rest. If the record company had not kept Francis and Rick to their contract to bring out a new record Francis wouldn't have considered to go on with Quo at all in any form whatsoever. And when Quo reformed 1n 1986 the record company made it very clear they wanted Francis and Rick as the 'faces' of the band and not Alan. After that Alan started the lawsuit about the name Status Quo and from that point on there was no way back. Alan stayed angry for 33 years. Doubt that anger has gone completely though, and rightly so.
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Post by jaynieeee on Feb 16, 2020 13:29:38 GMT
In 1984/1985 the band was practically over. Francis and Alan had different opinons about the musical course of the band and Francis didn't want to work with Alan anymore, mainly because of that. Drugs and big egos'(on both sides) did the rest. If the record company had not kept Francis and Rick to their contract to bring out a new record Francis wouldn't have considered to go on with Quo at all in any form whatsoever. And when Quo reformed 1n 1986 the record company made it very clear they wanted Francis and Rick as the 'faces' of the band and not Alan. After that Alan started the lawsuit about the name Status Quo and from that point on there was no way back. Alan stayed angry for 33 years. Doubt that anger has gone completely though, and rightly so. But is the anger directed in the wrong direction? Should it have been directed at the record company?
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Post by QuocaQuola1 on Feb 16, 2020 15:17:22 GMT
Either way, he was well past contributing anything worthwhile at that point in time besides gurning at everyone else who were trying to keep the band’s head above the water.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 16, 2020 19:22:05 GMT
Maybe these 2 songs were also recorded during the "Wanderer-Sessions"?
I'm trying to think of an intelligent response to these.
AAARGHHHH!
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Post by americanquo on Feb 22, 2020 4:36:40 GMT
Maybe these 2 songs were also recorded during the "Wanderer-Sessions"?
I'm trying to think of an intelligent response to these.
AAARGHHHH!
Whereas I like them both quite a bit.
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