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Post by charliechops on Aug 10, 2017 7:30:56 GMT
Your on the money Deep Throat , Wembley 13 and Dublin 14 , I heard " fans " whinging on about what they had just seen and not heard . Walking into the Dublin gig to Its Xmas Time on the tannoy would have confused a few as well . Told a member of the band at the time and he just shook his head .
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Post by freewilly on Aug 10, 2017 8:15:44 GMT
Queen seemed to have made a good investment by releasing their old concerts on DVD. Even though they did duplicate themselves with Hungary and Wembley being from the same tour. The Rainbow 74 and Hammersmith 75 DVD's sold very well. So why Quo cannot get these releases out I don't know, I accept that up until 2010 there was a big issue with the pre 84 stuff as Legal matters were still being delt with. Queen and Quo are poles apart - commercially and attitude-wise. Queen have nothing from their current lineup to sell. Apart from The Cosmos Rocks in 2008, there have been no new studio albums in over 20 years. Also, their band members don't try to distance themselves from the glory days at every opportunity. That makes a huge difference when releasing gigs from the past because you know you won't have someone telling journalists that the 70s output was "mostly shite" and that they hate rock - the music that made them famous at all. Not that Brian May or Roger Taylor have to appear on Loose Women, This Morning etc (or do any promo infact) in order for product to get promoted because the record company know beforehand there is a huge market for whatever product and they will gladly throw money at an ad campaign that will undoubtedly create sales. Freddie being dead further helps push the product to the public. The royalties that Queen receive are massive compared to Quo when you consider the worldwide appeal of the two bands and the fact that Quo didn't write their biggest hits so the need for new product is less. The fanbase for Quo is smaller, and as such, when product is released it has to sell in order to turn any kind of profit. So Quo do everything in their power not to bum up the old band to prevent sales of the back catalogue. Quo created a divide amongst fans by letting the FF reunions to happen but they engineered a way to protect the current lineup by underpromoting the FF and not offering the likes of Mr and Mrs Smith to have the chance to attend gigs by playing such small venues, whereby the tiny number of tickets that were available were snapped up quickly by hardcore fans. The FF could quite easily have sold the same - if not more - tickets than CQ on the winter tour because casual punters couldn't care less about band members. Though when they found out that RAOTW, WYW, ITAN etc wouldn't be played, they'd have been pissed off and it would have damaged CQ's reputation. Management obviously didn't want that to happen. Just a minor detail...
Fascinates me that Quo played to bigger (or much the same) audiences in the UK and Europe, up until 1984 and then, there was a massive shift!
Queen are one of my all time favourite bands ever but, I still scratch my head over how Quo had a bigger audience at Milton Keynes than Queen
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Post by freewilly on Aug 10, 2017 8:18:43 GMT
Your on the money Deep Throat , Wembley 13 and Dublin 14 , I heard " fans " whinging on about what they had just seen and not heard . Walking into the Dublin gig to Its Xmas Time on the tannoy would have confused a few as well . Told a member of the band at the time and he just shook his head . That was outside though wasn't it?!
Tbf, none of the four had anything to do with that. That's a regular occurrence when bands play in that venue. It's either a radio station crew or local DJ that plays stuff, while people get food/drink outside. Happens at every gig I've been to since the venue got done up.
Well, up until very recently actually. There was none of that last month at ZZ Top.
I remember walking around, having a smoke and they were playing Fun Fun Fun, The AW, I Didn't Mean It.
One guy said to me, a few months after, "I thought it was shit! Where was RAOTW? Where Was In The Army and all them?! Never heard of half the stuff they played! Bass player looked like he was barely able to stand!"
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Aug 10, 2017 9:46:18 GMT
Queen and Quo are poles apart - commercially and attitude-wise. Queen have nothing from their current lineup to sell. Apart from The Cosmos Rocks in 2008, there have been no new studio albums in over 20 years. Also, their band members don't try to distance themselves from the glory days at every opportunity. That makes a huge difference when releasing gigs from the past because you know you won't have someone telling journalists that the 70s output was "mostly shite" and that they hate rock - the music that made them famous at all. Not that Brian May or Roger Taylor have to appear on Loose Women, This Morning etc (or do any promo infact) in order for product to get promoted because the record company know beforehand there is a huge market for whatever product and they will gladly throw money at an ad campaign that will undoubtedly create sales. Freddie being dead further helps push the product to the public. The royalties that Queen receive are massive compared to Quo when you consider the worldwide appeal of the two bands and the fact that Quo didn't write their biggest hits so the need for new product is less. The fanbase for Quo is smaller, and as such, when product is released it has to sell in order to turn any kind of profit. So Quo do everything in their power not to bum up the old band to prevent sales of the back catalogue. Quo created a divide amongst fans by letting the FF reunions to happen but they engineered a way to protect the current lineup by underpromoting the FF and not offering the likes of Mr and Mrs Smith to have the chance to attend gigs by playing such small venues, whereby the tiny number of tickets that were available were snapped up quickly by hardcore fans. The FF could quite easily have sold the same - if not more - tickets than CQ on the winter tour because casual punters couldn't care less about band members. Though when they found out that RAOTW, WYW, ITAN etc wouldn't be played, they'd have been pissed off and it would have damaged CQ's reputation. Management obviously didn't want that to happen. Just a minor detail...
Fascinates me that Quo played to bigger (or much the same) audiences in the UK and Europe, up until 1984 and then, there was a massive shift!
Queen are one of my all time favourite bands ever but, I still scratch my head over how Quo had a bigger audience at Milton Keynes than Queen
Queen were on the slide in 1982. Hot Space had been received even worse than 1+9+8+2 had been, Quo were still renowned for their live show like Queen were. However for some reason the fans seemed to stop going, was it Freddie's new look post 1980? It was not until Live Aid that Queen really became the Stadium band they were known for in this country. Though they had been massive in other parts of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:51:01 GMT
Your on the money Deep Throat , Wembley 13 and Dublin 14 , I heard " fans " whinging on about what they had just seen and not heard . Walking into the Dublin gig to Its Xmas Time on the tannoy would have confused a few as well . Told a member of the band at the time and he just shook his head . Given that the Dublin gig was Mar/Apr 2014, hearing It's Christmas Time over the tannoy would have confused everyone!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:57:19 GMT
Just a minor detail...
Fascinates me that Quo played to bigger (or much the same) audiences in the UK and Europe, up until 1984 and then, there was a massive shift!
Queen are one of my all time favourite bands ever but, I still scratch my head over how Quo had a bigger audience at Milton Keynes than Queen
Queen were on the slide in 1982. Hot Space had been received even worse than 1+9+8+2 had been, Quo were still renowned for their live show like Queen were. However for some reason the fans seemed to stop going, was it Freddie's new look post 1980? It was not until Live Aid that Queen really became the Stadium band they were known for in this country. Though they had been massive in other parts of the world. Yeah, Hot Space was a bit of a departure from the regular Queen stuff, though the tracks they played live from the album on that tour definitely had more balls than the recorded versions. So the backlash from Hot Space could have affected ticket sales for the Milton Keynes gig. For Quo, the thought of it being the last gig on the farewell tour would probably have had a big impact on ticket sales, thus they pulled in a bigger crowd. In my personal opinion, as much as I enjoy the EOTR gig at Mikton Keynes, the Queen gig was much better.
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Post by col on Sept 6, 2017 16:36:07 GMT
Queen (after '75), Bon Jovi & Steps.
The worst bands I ever saw!!
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Post by asthequoflies on Aug 27, 2018 9:57:17 GMT
As other posters have pointed out, it is truly a shame that there is virtually nothing from the glory years; I understand the point made on there being perhaps a limited audience/market for post 1986 live footage/live DVD's.
The Rolling Stones for example have treated fans to an amazing catalogue of live material; live DVD's from 1969, 1971, 1972, 1975, 1978, 1981 and 1982. And next up is Paris 1976 (they filmed four shows; Knebworth 1976 60-mins also available on bootleg). As well as that they've released sterling audio full concerts ranging from 1965-2013. It has been astonishing, a treasure trove of excellent quality live films from '69-'82.
They have a wealth of material from 1989-current day also, the last of which was a box-set (including a documentary and THREE concerts) of the club shows from 1995. Incredible quality. Up to 9 or 10 pro shots for every tour 1989 onwards.
It would be a dream for that kind of material from Quo; the Stones even released excellent films during those years; 'One Plus One' features 60 minutes in perfect quality (as it was shot for cinema and not TV) of the band recording 'Sympathy for the Devil'- imagine 60 minutes of Quo developing and recording 4500 times for example! The 'Charlie is my Darling' documentary (and additional newly released live album 'England '65), feature length, on the Irish tour in 1965.
Quo were incredibly short sighted, but they absolutely should be ensuring what does survive, however little, is digitally stored and perhaps one day some may be released.
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 27, 2018 14:49:13 GMT
As other posters have pointed out, it is truly a shame that there is virtually nothing from the glory years; I understand the point made on there being perhaps a limited audience/market for post 1986 live footage/live DVD's. The Rolling Stones for example have treated fans to an amazing catalogue of live material; live DVD's from 1969, 1971, 1972, 1975, 1978, 1981 and 1982. And next up is Paris 1976 (they filmed four shows; Knebworth 1976 60-mins also available on bootleg). As well as that they've released sterling audio full concerts ranging from 1965-2013. It has been astonishing, a treasure trove of excellent quality live films from '69-'82. They have a wealth of material from 1989-current day also, the last of which was a box-set (including a documentary and THREE concerts) of the club shows from 1995. Incredible quality. Up to 9 or 10 pro shots for every tour 1989 onwards. It would be a dream for that kind of material from Quo; the Stones even released excellent films during those years; 'One Plus One' features 60 minutes in perfect quality (as it was shot for cinema and not TV) of the band recording 'Sympathy for the Devil'- imagine 60 minutes of Quo developing and recording 4500 times for example! The 'Charlie is my Darling' documentary (and additional newly released live album 'England '65), feature length, on the Irish tour in 1965. Quo were incredibly short sighted, but they absolutely should be ensuring what does survive, however little, is digitally stored and perhaps one day some may be released. There is no footage of Quo in the studio other than the Party Ain't Over Yet sessions, so that won't be happening. Most of Quos archival material is digitally stored these days so the last part of what you said is also way off. The only things that won't be digitised are the album masters. The reason there is next to nothing from the early years can be blamed on the management at the time, as they were looking at how the can put more money in their own pockets rather than the bands. The Wembley '74 gig was rushed and a last minute decision... If they'd have properly planned it out, it could have been so much better and perhaps the whole gig would still be around... Whereas it wasn't and cameras were getting jammed on the night of the gig so there was probably a good bunch of reels that were no good in the end
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Post by asthequoflies on Aug 27, 2018 15:51:21 GMT
It's a pity it panned out that way back then; the live footage I have seen from the 70s is so enjoyable. At least we have live film from '82, '84, '86 and on.
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Post by 1970srocker on Oct 14, 2021 11:34:03 GMT
Not sure if this info is on the forum but - does anyone remember what gig footage it was that did the UK cinemas with Rory Gallagher Irish Tour In the late 70s?. Half dozen of us tried gaining entrance to a night club - “Sorry no tie no get in, your hairs too long”, so we ended up at our local ABC, loads of bikers in “Turn it up or we’ll rip the seats out” x3 and the volume went up.
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Post by gav on Oct 14, 2021 11:39:52 GMT
Not sure if this info is on the forum but - does anyone remember what gig footage it was that did the UK cinemas with Rory Gallagher Irish Tour In the late 70s?. Half dozen of us tried gaining entrance to a night club - “Sorry no tie no get in, your hairs too long”, so we ended up at our local ABC, loads of bikers in “Turn it up or we’ll rip the seats out” x3 and the volume went up. It was footage from Wembley 1974 i think - since been released on "The Party Ain't Over Yet" DVD back in 2005 (i think).
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Post by mortified on Oct 14, 2021 12:58:40 GMT
Not sure if this info is on the forum but - does anyone remember what gig footage it was that did the UK cinemas with Rory Gallagher Irish Tour In the late 70s?. Half dozen of us tried gaining entrance to a night club - “Sorry no tie no get in, your hairs too long”, so we ended up at our local ABC, loads of bikers in “Turn it up or we’ll rip the seats out” x3 and the volume went up. Yeah, Empire Pool, Wembley 1974. If memory serves me correctly - not always a given - it was only about 25 minutes long. And not exactly brilliant quality. But it's about all we have from that period. That and the Marquee in 1972 I think and maybe a song or two from Stafford in 1977. Quo fans of a certain vintage will always bemoan the lack of footage of the band at their very energetic peak. The grainy b&w images from the Madrid gig in 1975 give a hint of just how manic and magnificent they were on stage back then. Otherwise, it's all lost or simply contained in an individual's memories. Documentary evidence is very thin on the ground.
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Post by roquer on Oct 14, 2021 17:41:50 GMT
One thing that I still don't know about the Wembley '74 footage. Did Roadhouse Blues appeared on the screenings before the Rory film? Because there's just 2 seconds or so on the TPAOY documentary, but nothing else.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 14, 2021 22:13:55 GMT
One thing that I still don't know about the Wembley '74 footage. Did Roadhouse Blues appeared on the screenings before the Rory film? Because there's just 2 seconds or so on the TPAOY documentary, but nothing else. I don't think there is anything of Roadhouse Blues, beyond those few seconds of audio / film. Concert movies in those days were always very brief, as the only way they could be viewed was in the cinema with there being no home video sets at that point.
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