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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 0:26:56 GMT
Blue Eyed Lady. Roll Over Lay Down is shite.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 10:28:19 GMT
I think if you put ROLD and BEL back to back on a classic rock show to advertise the best of vintage Quo from arguably the most popular Quo album ever *disclaimer* - few if any listeners would argue. *Disclaimer* Not just based on core Quo fan base (who might cite another of the 'Big 5' between 72 and 76) but also the fact that the 'Hello' album is generally highly popular with rock fans in general. Whether back in the glory days themselves, or if it was today, if you asked a rock (non Quo) fan what their favourite Quo album was, very many would point to 'Hello'
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Post by kursaal75 on Feb 18, 2016 10:49:44 GMT
I know a few of my mates, who are not Quo fans, they have never seen the band, but are general rock fans have,Piledriver, Hello, Quo and the Live album in there collection.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 10:58:06 GMT
I know a few of my mates, who are not Quo fans, but are general rock fans have,Piledriver, Hello, Quo and the Live album in there collection. Yes, that's probably a fair and more accurate reflection. I chose the 'Hello' album because it seemed from personal experience to be the most well known of the peak Quo albums by those who are not Quo fans. Maybe some of these are not necessarily heavy rock fans anyway and that makes a further distinction.
Even my ex, who was one of the worst music prog rock snob critics you could find, identified 'Hello' immediately as something he could 'tolerate listening to' and grudgingly admitted to even liking quite a few songs from the album.
He was also rather surprised when he saw the footage of BEL played live at the FF reunions
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 18, 2016 11:02:14 GMT
Blue Eyed Lady. Roll Over Lay Down is shite.Time to use this ol' one again...
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Post by lazypokerblues on Feb 18, 2016 11:51:48 GMT
Blue Eyed Lady has always been one of my favourite Quo tracks, I was overjoyed to hear it played during the reunions. Makes you wonder why they left it so long. They left it so long because they knew, quite correctly, that BEL played by CQ to a CQ audience would go down like a lead balloon.
Which I had the misfortune of witnessing in Leeds in December 2014. The very next evening, in Nottingham, it had been dropped.
Criminal.
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Post by curiousgirl on Feb 18, 2016 11:57:16 GMT
I must admit I didn't get the love for BEL until hearing it on 2nd reunion tour. Not even the first one worked for me - to my ears it was simply a screechy mess in 2013. But I do love my recording of 2014. And yet, it doesn't come close to ROLD.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 12:03:44 GMT
Makes you wonder why they left it so long. They left it so long because they knew, quite correctly, that BEL played by CQ to a CQ audience would go down like a lead balloon.
Which I had the misfortune of witnessing in Leeds in December 2014. The very next evening, in Nottingham, it had been dropped.
Criminal.
The reunion tours were a massive missed opportunity for CQ to follow-up. They could have taken inspiration from the FF and been bold with their own set...but by playing some of the best of their catalogue instead of butchering FF classics
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Post by lazypokerblues on Feb 18, 2016 12:25:50 GMT
I'm not convinced that the songs were butchered. It was just the flat response from the largely ambivalent crowd that was depressing.
But I do agree with your standpoint that CQ should be braver in their choice of playing post 86 material, rather than relying on a set largely comprised of 1970s material.
What do they play? In the Army Now, Beginning of the End, Oriental, Creepin, Burning Bridges... that's it isn't it?
It's funny how all those other pre-86 songs that they have been playing year in year out do not feel like "CQ covering FF" because they have become so entrenched in the CQ setlist, and the CQ crowd are familiar with, let's say, the end bit of Slow Train in a medley, or the Junior's Wailing/Rock n Roll Music/ Bye Bye Johnny snippet medley. If they actually played a full length Slow Train, it would go down as badly as Blue Eyed Lady did.
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Post by Railroad17 on Feb 18, 2016 13:48:30 GMT
Makes you wonder why they left it so long. They left it so long because they knew, quite correctly, that BEL played by CQ to a CQ audience would go down like a lead balloon.
Which I had the misfortune of witnessing in Leeds in December 2014. The very next evening, in Nottingham, it had been dropped.
Criminal.
I was thinking in the 70's/80s LPBlues...round about the NTL tour would have been OK.
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 18, 2016 13:55:19 GMT
I'm not convinced that the songs were butchered. It was just the flat response from the largely ambivalent crowd that was depressing. But I do agree with your standpoint that CQ should be braver in their choice of playing post 86 material, rather than relying on a set largely comprised of 1970s material. What do they play? In the Army Now, Beginning of the End, Oriental, Creepin, Burning Bridges... that's it isn't it? It's funny how all those other pre-86 songs that they have been playing year in year out do not feel like "CQ covering FF" because they have become so entrenched in the CQ setlist, and the CQ crowd are familiar with, let's say, the end bit of Slow Train in a medley, or the Junior's Wailing/Rock n Roll Music/ Bye Bye Johnny snippet medley. If they actually played a full length Slow Train, it would go down as badly as Blue Eyed Lady did.I'm not sure about that one. When they reach the Slow Train passage on the JDI dvd, it feels like the excitement could blow the DVD player apart to me. Sure that was a special occasion, but I think that a full Slow Train, perhaps coupled with another, a bit slower track seguing into it, could work very well live. It has a similar urgency and 'train (eh) of energy' about it as some of the medley tend to have. It's a multi-part piece as well, so shouldn't get boring. Though I'm not sure if Leon could keep up with the tempo. Matt certainly could have done a great job and the song might have taken on a different quality onstage, who knows?
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Post by lazypokerblues on Feb 18, 2016 14:28:46 GMT
They left it so long because they knew, quite correctly, that BEL played by CQ to a CQ audience would go down like a lead balloon.
Which I had the misfortune of witnessing in Leeds in December 2014. The very next evening, in Nottingham, it had been dropped.
Criminal.
I was thinking in the 70's/80s LPBlues...round about the NTL tour would have been OK. Aha, I see, sorry I misunderstood. Well yes but up until the split, the set list evolved in such a way that new songs would be introduced every year, and some would stick around, and some would fade away, e.g. Junior's Wailing, but I don't think they ever looked back and introduced an older song into the set that had never been played before, did they? The only time they did this was on EOTR when they did the Mystery Medley. And that, at the time, felt like proper sentimental nostalgia for the sake of it, because they were going to split up. So I think EOTR would have been a good time to play BEL, but I guess there just wasn't enough room for it. It would have been an ideal alternative to What You're Proposin' in the encore.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Feb 18, 2016 14:35:53 GMT
I'm not convinced that the songs were butchered. It was just the flat response from the largely ambivalent crowd that was depressing. But I do agree with your standpoint that CQ should be braver in their choice of playing post 86 material, rather than relying on a set largely comprised of 1970s material. What do they play? In the Army Now, Beginning of the End, Oriental, Creepin, Burning Bridges... that's it isn't it? It's funny how all those other pre-86 songs that they have been playing year in year out do not feel like "CQ covering FF" because they have become so entrenched in the CQ setlist, and the CQ crowd are familiar with, let's say, the end bit of Slow Train in a medley, or the Junior's Wailing/Rock n Roll Music/ Bye Bye Johnny snippet medley. If they actually played a full length Slow Train, it would go down as badly as Blue Eyed Lady did.I'm not sure about that one. When they reach the Slow Train passage on the JDI dvd, it feels like the excitement could blow the DVD player apart to me. Sure that was a special occasion, but I think that a full Slow Train, perhaps coupled with another, a bit slower track seguing into it, could work very well live. It has a similar urgency and 'train (eh) of energy' about it as some of the medley tend to have. It's a multi-part piece as well, so shouldn't get boring. Though I'm not sure if Leon could keep up with the tempo. Matt certainly could have done a great job and the song might have taken on a different quality onstage, who knows? I agree that it could work very well live, but I don't think the majority of the audience would know it, or would be that excited to hear it, in the same way that the audience didn't respond to Forty-Five Hundred Times in 1990, as the band noticed from stage, according to Jason's interview with Francis in Record Collector in 1993.
1990 was 26 years ago, and the audience has changed an awful lot since then, so whilst we might appreciate a multi-part piece, I think it's probably only going to go down well with a tribute band audience in a dark room with sticky carpets, or at a FF reunion, and not with your average 2/3 curtained off arena Christmas Party Crowd.
It's all about the audience, and not as much about the band.
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Post by frozenhero on Feb 18, 2016 15:42:56 GMT
I was thinking in the 70's/80s LPBlues...round about the NTL tour would have been OK. Aha, I see, sorry I misunderstood. Well yes but up until the split, the set list evolved in such a way that new songs would be introduced every year, and some would stick around, and some would fade away, e.g. Junior's Wailing, but I don't think they ever looked back and introduced an older song into the set that had never been played before, did they? The only time they did this was on EOTR when they did the Mystery Medley. And that, at the time, felt like proper sentimental nostalgia for the sake of it, because they were going to split up. So I think EOTR would have been a good time to play BEL, but I guess there just wasn't enough room for it. It would have been an ideal alternative to What You're Proposin' in the encore.
4500x was played for the first time in 1975.
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Post by lazypokerblues on Feb 18, 2016 16:22:10 GMT
Aha, I see, sorry I misunderstood. Well yes but up until the split, the set list evolved in such a way that new songs would be introduced every year, and some would stick around, and some would fade away, e.g. Junior's Wailing, but I don't think they ever looked back and introduced an older song into the set that had never been played before, did they? The only time they did this was on EOTR when they did the Mystery Medley. And that, at the time, felt like proper sentimental nostalgia for the sake of it, because they were going to split up. So I think EOTR would have been a good time to play BEL, but I guess there just wasn't enough room for it. It would have been an ideal alternative to What You're Proposin' in the encore.
4500x was played for the first time in 1975. Ah, ok, but you understand the point I'm making right? Presumably 4500x was brought in to replace Gotta Go Home? The setlist was always evolving. Some songs stayed, others made way for new ones, Little Lady, Whatever You Want etc. Some became concrete (Rain), some faded away (Dirty Water, Don't Waste My Time) but the only time they ever reached waaay back was in 2013 when they played April Spring & BEL.
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