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Post by americanquo on Dec 4, 2019 21:47:44 GMT
I understand the technical ability of Rhino and remember one song 'Two Suns' which from memory displayed this. I do also however agree about his playing being pedantic. In my opinion Alan had dynamics in his playing that Rhino does not and totally was the right person for Quo. He was seamlessly perfect with Johns dynamic and powerful drums as the driving force and motion of Quo. They were fundamental to this and I often think on this front that John should get a writing credit on all the Quo songs for the dynamics he added that lifted many songs to a different level. Alan's playing was musical and suited the songs. He could play simple but powerful staccato style for the 12 bar but also produce complex bass runs and style. He did this from the very start during the psychedelic years and a simple demonstration can be seen with Pictures Of Matchstickmen. Contrast the original version with the pedantic bass on the Aquostic/acoustic version recorded by Rhino. Alan's playing on many songs reveals real style and magic without overstating this, in a way that reminds me of George Harrison's guitar with the Beatles, totally appropriate to the songs without dominating them. Alan never claimed to be a brilliant bass player, a Jaco Pastorius. He was however the bass player, song writer, singer, arranger, producer and performed for Quo and most perfect at that and for this. Rhino has not successful replaced that even if he is professional and technically accomplished. This can be cold and scientific and lacking dynamics and feel. Just think of the bass lines on Mystery Song, And Its Better Now, A Year (in particular the middle section from 'How can I ever tell you the end is almost here, the sing of love is ringing in my ear...), Lonely Man, Living On An Island, Accident Prone etc etc., etc., Precisely.
Edwards suits Post Quo fine, and as I've stated many time I really like a lot of their material. But Quo wasn't Quo once the band lost its rhythm section. It's like saying The Who was just as good after Moon and Entwhistle died.
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Post by townsvillequo on Dec 8, 2019 11:50:06 GMT
For me there is a number of Quo cover bands that I openly think are more Quo than Status Quo.I suppose if JCQ and Status Quo were both gigging next door to each other I'd choose to go see Status Quo. But if they were both gigging over 2 nights I'd go see JCQ on the 2nd night.
Just imo I think Richie Malone is a good fit for Rick. Sorry to all the Rhino fans but I still can't accept Rhino is a good fit for Alan. His song writing doesn't come close to AL nor does his singing. Nor does his on stage persona. His bass playing is fair enough I suppose.
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Post by jaynieeee on Dec 8, 2019 12:41:40 GMT
For me there is a number of Quo cover bands that I openly think are more Quo than Status Quo.I suppose if JCQ and Status Quo were both gigging next door to each other I'd choose to go see Status Quo. But if they were both gigging over 2 nights I'd go see JCQ on the 2nd night. Just imo I think Richie Malone is a good fit for Rick. Sorry to all the Rhino fans but I still can't accept Rhino is a good fit for Alan. His song writing doesn't come close to AL nor does his singing. Nor does his on stage persona. His bass playing is fair enough I suppose. You forgot he's not as good looking as Allan either (not Rhino's fault we just get the genes we inherit)
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Post by americanquo on Dec 11, 2019 22:40:12 GMT
For me there is a number of Quo cover bands that I openly think are more Quo than Status Quo.I suppose if JCQ and Status Quo were both gigging next door to each other I'd choose to go see Status Quo. But if they were both gigging over 2 nights I'd go see JCQ on the 2nd night. Just imo I think Richie Malone is a good fit for Rick. Sorry to all the Rhino fans but I still can't accept Rhino is a good fit for Alan. His song writing doesn't come close to AL nor does his singing. Nor does his on stage persona. His bass playing is fair enough I suppose. Wow, to those who might think I wrote this post, I didn't. I just agree with everything in it.
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Post by frozenhero on Dec 25, 2019 13:14:34 GMT
rhino and his singing is shocking to say the least.a below average bassist too. Sorry but that's my opinion. It's not opinion, it's fact. His bass playing is pedantic and always has been. Alan's was simple, maybe, but it was also far more dynamic. He was superb in Ludwigsburg. The Oriental was obviously his showcase but I remember the bass being effective virtually all the way through. Though he's not the best bass player I've seen/heard this year... I think that was Greg Rzab from John Mayall's band, which I didn't expect! Curt Smith wasn't half bad too, but I'm biased, as I was right in front of him But Quo sounded very rocky at the MHP. No nonsense. I think the best thing is that Andy's guitar-imitating synths are gone for good - improves the overall sound drastically. Pedantic! What a load of rubbish. The man is an outrageous bass player. See, I’m old and can remember him playing in Judie Tzuke’s band, he was brilliant then and still is. Singing may not be his strong point though. Then again, having seen Mr. Parfitt steadily going down hill in both the vocal and remembering the words department, Rhino is doing just fine. You get used to a certain voice on a certain song and whenever someone else steps up it’s always going to be a bit odd, for a while. Years ago he had a good stab at “Centrefold “ many, many moons ago... Exactly. He could play circles around many bass players I know. The problem, I guess, is that Quo don't really need that kind of show-offy bass playing, and he sometimes overdid it in his early Quo years (then again same thing could be said of Guy Pratt in post-1987 Pink Floyd shows - and he also became much more straightforward with time). I often think on this front that John should get a writing credit on all the Quo songs for the dynamics he added that lifted many songs to a different level. A composition legally consists of a melody, nothing else...
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Post by americanquo on Dec 28, 2019 4:20:15 GMT
It's not opinion, it's fact. His bass playing is pedantic and always has been. Alan's was simple, maybe, but it was also far more dynamic. He was superb in Ludwigsburg. The Oriental was obviously his showcase but I remember the bass being effective virtually all the way through. Though he's not the best bass player I've seen/heard this year... I think that was Greg Rzab from John Mayall's band, which I didn't expect! Curt Smith wasn't half bad too, but I'm biased, as I was right in front of him But Quo sounded very rocky at the MHP. No nonsense. I think the best thing is that Andy's guitar-imitating synths are gone for good - improves the overall sound drastically. Pedantic! What a load of rubbish. The man is an outrageous bass player. See, I’m old and can remember him playing in Judie Tzuke’s band, he was brilliant then and still is. Singing may not be his strong point though. Then again, having seen Mr. Parfitt steadily going down hill in both the vocal and remembering the words department, Rhino is doing just fine. You get used to a certain voice on a certain song and whenever someone else steps up it’s always going to be a bit odd, for a while. Years ago he had a good stab at “Centrefold “ many, many moons ago... Exactly. He could play circles around many bass players I know. The problem, I guess, is that Quo don't really need that kind of show-offy bass playing, and he sometimes overdid it in his early Quo years (then again same thing could be said of Guy Pratt in post-1987 Pink Floyd shows - and he also became much more straightforward with time). I often think on this front that John should get a writing credit on all the Quo songs for the dynamics he added that lifted many songs to a different level. A composition legally consists of a melody, nothing else... Playing that song anywhere should be illegal.
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 8, 2020 10:42:54 GMT
Playing that song anywhere should be illegal. The Quo fans on the official MB who had started a campaign to get the song in the set, back in 2002, obviously saw it differently...
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Post by paradiseflats on Jan 8, 2020 16:41:42 GMT
Playing that song anywhere should be illegal. The Quo fans on the official MB who had started a campaign to get the song in the set, back in 2002, obviously saw it differently... To be more accurate, a small number of Status Quo fans. There were also many on that board who loathed it from day one. With its lazy racist lyrics.
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Post by twentytwenty on Jan 13, 2020 12:44:47 GMT
Rhino is a talented musician that can play circles around Alan any day. Just listen to his live playing, steady af.
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Post by unspokenwords on Jan 13, 2020 13:25:50 GMT
Rhino is a talented musician that can play circles around Alan any day. Just listen to his live playing, steady af. That is not really the point in regard to playing for Quo. Rhino is a talented, professional, slick, technical musician but lacks the type of musical talent, feel and creativity that Alan had in regard to creating what became Status Quo where in regard to bass playing it is largely quite simple and not complicated in nature, but there is more to it than that. This comes from the heart and soul to the fingertips not necessarily from a technical mastery and knowledge and application of musical theory. There are many bass players who could 'play circles around' Rhino any day. Alan had the feel, musicianship and creativity that created the Quo sound and was correct for Quo. Rhino was a session musician, hired hand who got a lucky break and tried to mould this in to playing Status Quo but in my opinion just did not quite have what Alan had in spite of his technical mastery.
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Post by americanquo on Jan 14, 2020 17:01:32 GMT
Rhino is a talented musician that can play circles around Alan any day. Just listen to his live playing, steady af. That is not really the point in regard to playing for Quo. Rhino is a talented, professional, slick, technical musician but lacks the type of musical talent, feel and creativity that Alan had in regard to creating what became Status Quo where in regard to bass playing it is largely quite simple and not complicated in nature, but there is more to it than that. This comes from the heart and soul to the fingertips not necessarily from a technical mastery and knowledge and application of musical theory. There are many bass players who could 'play circles around' Rhino any day. Alan had the feel, musicianship and creativity that created the Quo sound and was correct for Quo. Rhino was a session musician, hired hand who got a lucky break and tried to mould this in to playing Status Quo but in my opinion just did not quite have what Alan had in spite of his technical mastery. This is it precisely.
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Post by frozenhero on Jan 30, 2020 22:06:31 GMT
The Quo fans on the official MB who had started a campaign to get the song in the set, back in 2002, obviously saw it differently... To be more accurate, a small number of Status Quo fans. There were also many on that board who loathed it from day one. With its lazy racist lyrics. Well, here's an anecdote. Some years ago, a recording made of their set at Sweden Rock Festival 2013 was aired via Deutschlandfunk. Not a whole gig, just shortened to an hour. The presenter was obviously not a big Quo expert but pointed out in his announcement the track's unusualness. He lauded that it's more demanding than the rest of their set, with a considerable musical humour. Make of that what you will, but that's how somebody who's clearly not very educated in all things Quo reacted to The Oriental. I admit I'm not so hot on the lyrics, although some parts I do find amusing like "I take a shower on every hour" or "Don't send me a Russian, ain't no discussion"! I once tried playing it at the piano but realized just how stupid those lyrics sounded when I tried to sing them. It takes somebody like Francis to make it work...
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Post by stringybob on Jan 30, 2020 23:46:57 GMT
To be more accurate, a small number of Status Quo fans. There were also many on that board who loathed it from day one. With its lazy racist lyrics. Well, here's an anecdote. Some years ago, a recording made of their set at Sweden Rock Festival 2013 was aired via Deutschlandfunk. Not a whole gig, just shortened to an hour. The presenter was obviously not a big Quo expert but pointed out in his announcement the track's unusualness. He lauded that it's more demanding than the rest of their set, with a considerable musical humour. Make of that what you will, but that's how somebody who's clearly not very educated in all things Quo reacted to The Oriental. I admit I'm not so hot on the lyrics, although some parts I do find amusing like "I take a shower on every hour" or "Don't send me a Russian, ain't no discussion"! I once tried playing it at the piano but realized just how stupid those lyrics sounded when I tried to sing them. It takes somebody like Francis to make it work... Those lyrics sound stupid (and yes, racist) no matter who sings them, Francis included.
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Post by wolfman on Jan 31, 2020 19:22:33 GMT
Rhino is a talented musician that can play circles around Alan any day. Just listen to his live playing, steady af. stupid lad
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Post by paradiseflats on Feb 1, 2020 9:39:41 GMT
To be more accurate, a small number of Status Quo fans. There were also many on that board who loathed it from day one. With its lazy racist lyrics. Well, here's an anecdote. Some years ago, a recording made of their set at Sweden Rock Festival 2013 was aired via Deutschlandfunk. Not a whole gig, just shortened to an hour. The presenter was obviously not a big Quo expert but pointed out in his announcement the track's unusualness. He lauded that it's more demanding than the rest of their set, with a considerable musical humour. Make of that what you will, but that's how somebody who's clearly not very educated in all things Quo reacted to The Oriental. I admit I'm not so hot on the lyrics, although some parts I do find amusing like "I take a shower on every hour" or "Don't send me a Russian, ain't no discussion"! I once tried playing it at the piano but realized just how stupid those lyrics sounded when I tried to sing them. It takes somebody like Francis to make it work... It doesn’t work. At least not for me. If anyone including the band finds it funny it reflects on them.
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