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Post by Gaz on Oct 28, 2019 13:56:57 GMT
If Alan had won the right to the name Status Quo, I wonder where his band would’ve gone onto? Thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 14:13:37 GMT
Not far without major record label support and who would he have recruited as members when living in Australia with a young family? Also by that time the faces of the band for casuals were Rick and Francis, hardcore having fallen away in ever increasing numbers since RAOTW and especially since 81.
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Post by swingseat on Oct 28, 2019 15:21:39 GMT
Not far without major record label support and who would he have recruited as members when living in Australia with a young family? Also by that time the faces of the band for casuals were Rick and Francis, hardcore having fallen away in ever increasing numbers since RAOTW and especially since 81. There are people who have followed the group from various times in their very long career and plenty were maybe not around in the 1970's, or simply too young to be a member of the 'hardcore' as you refer to them. But they too probably feel the same sort of appreciation for the music they played then , as the 'hardcore'. The difference is that they discovered it retrospectively and also some of them continued to enjoy the music for all the years since the membership changed in the 80's. It seems a bit tribal to compartmentalize people according to when they first got to know Quo and according to which period of their career they like the most. All are just as valid. I'm not one of them, but maybe some who go to, or intend to keep going to gigs still in 2019 regularly to see the most up to date version of Quo *could hypothetically* maybe also justify calling themselves ' hardcore'. Though it seems a quaintly Jurassic and rather stone age term to use to describe what is after all just appreciation of music.  I'm simply glad that Alan is happy in the land of Oz at the same time as the other band members, obviously including John, are also happy with their own lives in the various different ways they all occupy themselves. What happened in the past, including court cases etc, is just that - in the past, and a natural part of the overall detachment that comes with the passage of time. |
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Post by Dark on Oct 28, 2019 15:32:20 GMT
I’d assume it would have stopped all activity of Quo at that point in time. Then somewhere down the line there would have been a thawing of animosity between them and a reunion would have taken place. Having, at that point, been no version of Quo doing the rounds, it would probably have been a lot bigger than the 2013/14 reunions that did happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 16:00:04 GMT
swingseat I only use the term "hardcore" as that has always been applied to fans who were around in the 70s classic period, I don't compartmentalize people on the era of a band they like, it would be somewhat ironic considering my career for the last 45 years. My first Quo gig was in 1975 and I did 5 gigs this year so I try to keep my Jurassic old bones still rocking.
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Post by jcb on Oct 28, 2019 17:51:17 GMT
The mighty Quo would have gone the way of all the other seventies hard rock bands...down down....get it. They would have died on their arses. The big myth about Alan Lancaster, lovely bloke though he seems to be, by all accounts, is the hard rocker thing....he did write some fabulous songs, but very few were of the hard rock ilk..... Mountain Lady...Stones....etc.. brilliant songs but heavy rock....no, no, nope. For me, life long Quo fan and all that, they were about the least convincing hard rock band going....they would have been competing with the NWOBHM, I do love that....and they wouldn’t have stood a chance. They were the Quo, which is essentially Francis Rossi, the blonde one and some other blokes. And.. they still are. With Alan Lancaster in control it would have been all studded wrist bands and shouty gruff singing over an ever more obvious derivation of the Rain riff. And who would have played lead guitar! Wouldn’t have been Rossi. So you’ve lost your lead guitarist, best singer and most prolific song smith. Or, if he had stayed, Rossi standing at the back, with his back to the audience and no spotlight would still have had more personality than the rest of them put together, Rick might have looked the rock star, Alan may have played the rock star but Rossi is the rock star. Oh dear I’ve gone on a bit again... so in my stupid little pathetic opinion, with Alan in charge they would have gone right down the pan. It’s showbiz and Francis Rossi is very good at it.
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Post by Quoincidence on Oct 28, 2019 19:14:19 GMT
It just wouldnt have worked. As stated, Rick and Francis were seen as 'Quo' by the general public. They did all the interviews.
Alan didnt want to travel for interviews once he'd moved to Australia, and rarely did them anyway before hand.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Oct 28, 2019 19:18:02 GMT
The mighty Quo would have gone the way of all the other seventies hard rock bands...down down....get it. They would have died on their arses. The big myth about Alan Lancaster, lovely bloke though he seems to be, by all accounts, is the hard rocker thing....he did write some fabulous songs, but very few were of the hard rock ilk..... Mountain Lady...Stones....etc.. brilliant songs but heavy rock....no, no, nope. For me, life long Quo fan and all that, they were about the least convincing hard rock band going....they would have been competing with the NWOBHM, I do love that....and they wouldn’t have stood a chance. They were the Quo, which is essentially Francis Rossi, the blonde one and some other blokes. And.. they still are. With Alan Lancaster in control it would have been all studded wrist bands and shouty gruff singing over an ever more obvious derivation of the Rain riff. And who would have played lead guitar! Wouldn’t have been Rossi. So you’ve lost your lead guitarist, best singer and most prolific song smith. Or, if he had stayed, Rossi standing at the back, with his back to the audience and no spotlight would still have had more personality than the rest of them put together, Rick might have looked the rock star, Alan may have played the rock star but Rossi is the rock star. Oh dear I’ve gone on a bit again... so in my stupid little pathetic opinion, with Alan in charge they would have gone right down the pan. It’s showbiz and Francis Rossi is very good at it. I think your reply assumes Alan could use the SQ name without Francis. As I understand it, his case was purely that the SQ name could not be used without his permission. So if he won the case, the likelyhood was that the band would have stayed dead until (probably the money) brought together for a reunion. I'd guess that would have been around 1991. Francis will have tried and failed to make his solo career take off For me, Quo are the greatest hard rock band of all time. Late 70's Quo could blow any band away. Don't understand why you didn't find them convincing? |
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 28, 2019 19:25:36 GMT
Slade would be a good example of how they would have ended up. Still big on the nostalgia circuit remembered fondly but not making any albums or singles.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Oct 28, 2019 19:55:37 GMT
The mighty Quo would have gone the way of all the other seventies hard rock bands...down down....get it. They would have died on their arses. The big myth about Alan Lancaster, lovely bloke though he seems to be, by all accounts, is the hard rocker thing....he did write some fabulous songs, but very few were of the hard rock ilk..... Mountain Lady...Stones....etc.. brilliant songs but heavy rock....no, no, nope. For me, life long Quo fan and all that, they were about the least convincing hard rock band going....they would have been competing with the NWOBHM, I do love that....and they wouldn’t have stood a chance. They were the Quo, which is essentially Francis Rossi, the blonde one and some other blokes. And.. they still are. With Alan Lancaster in control it would have been all studded wrist bands and shouty gruff singing over an ever more obvious derivation of the Rain riff. And who would have played lead guitar! Wouldn’t have been Rossi. So you’ve lost your lead guitarist, best singer and most prolific song smith. Or, if he had stayed, Rossi standing at the back, with his back to the audience and no spotlight would still have had more personality than the rest of them put together, Rick might have looked the rock star, Alan may have played the rock star but Rossi is the rock star. Oh dear I’ve gone on a bit again... so in my stupid little pathetic opinion, with Alan in charge they would have gone right down the pan. It’s showbiz and Francis Rossi is very good at it. I think your reply assumes Alan could use the SQ name without Francis. As I understand it, his case was purely that the SQ name could not be used without his permission. So if he won the case, the likelyhood was that the band would have stayed dead until (probably the money) brought together for a reunion. I'd guess that would have been around 1991. Francis will have tried and failed to make his solo career take off For me, Quo are the greatest hard rock band of all time. Late 70's Quo could blow any band away. Don't understand why you didn't find them convincing? Correctimondo rossiswaistcoat...the court case wasn't about Alan taking complete rights over the SQ name. Trying to protect it I imagine. When it was obvious Francis no longer had any interest in Status Quo in '84/'85, Alan at least had the good sense to consider the idea of a Quo mk2 band re-name with Rick on board, rather than pushing for a fully fledged 'Status Quo'. The Record Company, when understanding the situation, still wanted who had become the 'faces' of Status Quo as made commercial sense. Sad to say, it would still take a long time for Francis to show any credible hope of solo or duo success even if he is Mr Showbiz...his short lived effort with Bernie after the split was a horror story really, with drugs still dominating. |
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Post by Detroit on Oct 28, 2019 20:03:52 GMT
If Alan had won the right to the name Status Quo, I wonder where his band would’ve gone onto? Thoughts. Wherever it would have taken them, the music output would not have been any worse than what turned out. |
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Post by wolfman on Oct 28, 2019 20:42:13 GMT
Some of you could be talking piffle...quo could have been proper stadium rock.
Acdc...sabbath.preist
Just to name a few
But events took a different turn did they not?
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Oct 28, 2019 22:09:29 GMT
Some of you could be talking piffle...quo could have been proper stadium rock. Acdc...sabbath.preist Just to name a few But events took a different turn did they not? I think the only way they would have achived that would have been to have got a new "Rock" singer and actually made in in America. Neither Rick or Alan had the "Voice" to make it in America, nor did Francis TBH. By 1984 all of the above had made it there and were part of the Rock/Metal furniture. Though Sabbath in 84 were on the slide big time and never really got back until 97/98 with the reuinion with Ozzy. Quo without Francis may have got some inital interest but with Rick in the mess that he was in back then even he would not have managed to pull himself together with Alan to make a serious record that would have appealed. Lets not forget either that the dislkike of Francis with some of the fan base has taken place since 1984. Back then he was still the top guy for lots of the fans. Would they have accpeted a new singer/lead guitar. Or would they feel that Alan/Rick pushed Francis out like many regard that Alan was pushed out. |
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Oct 28, 2019 23:52:56 GMT
I think your reply assumes Alan could use the SQ name without Francis. As I understand it, his case was purely that the SQ name could not be used without his permission. So if he won the case, the likelyhood was that the band would have stayed dead until (probably the money) brought together for a reunion. I'd guess that would have been around 1991. Francis will have tried and failed to make his solo career take off For me, Quo are the greatest hard rock band of all time. Late 70's Quo could blow any band away. Don't understand why you didn't find them convincing? Correctimondo rossiswaistcoat...the court case wasn't about Alan taking complete rights over the SQ name. Trying to protect it I imagine. When it was obvious Francis no longer had any interest in Status Quo in '84/'85, Alan at least had the good sense to consider the idea of a Quo mk2 band re-name with Rick on board, rather than pushing for a fully fledged 'Status Quo'. The Record Company, when understanding the situation, still wanted who had become the 'faces' of Status Quo as made commercial sense. Sad to say, it would still take a long time for Francis to show any credible hope of solo or duo success even if he is Mr Showbiz...his short lived effort with Bernie after the split was a horror story really, with drugs still dominating. That is how it turned out. I don't think Alan would have been able to "make Quo work" with Rick ... I miss Rick now, but the hole left by Francis would be unlikely to be filled. Neither Alan or Rick could have done it.
It's fascinating to think what MIGHT have happened if they had been able to find an authentic Francis substitute though ... but the commercial facts at the time were stacked against them, so the court would not allow Alan to prevent the others using the name without him.
Not one of the three of them has been able to make a serious dent in the business with a solo career.
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Post by Gaz on Oct 29, 2019 5:44:49 GMT
I think your reply assumes Alan could use the SQ name without Francis. As I understand it, his case was purely that the SQ name could not be used without his permission. So if he won the case, the likelyhood was that the band would have stayed dead until (probably the money) brought together for a reunion. I'd guess that would have been around 1991. Francis will have tried and failed to make his solo career take off For me, Quo are the greatest hard rock band of all time. Late 70's Quo could blow any band away. Don't understand why you didn't find them convincing? Correctimondo rossiswaistcoat...the court case wasn't about Alan taking complete rights over the SQ name. Trying to protect it I imagine. When it was obvious Francis no longer had any interest in Status Quo in '84/'85, Alan at least had the good sense to consider the idea of a Quo mk2 band re-name with Rick on board, rather than pushing for a fully fledged 'Status Quo'. The Record Company, when understanding the situation, still wanted who had become the 'faces' of Status Quo as made commercial sense. Sad to say, it would still take a long time for Francis to show any credible hope of solo or duo success even if he is Mr Showbiz...his short lived effort with Bernie after the split was a horror story really, with drugs still dominating. Thanks,fret, that answered my question. I wonder how Alan,Rick,and John would've played on and with who as lead. I've always wondered how they would've succeeded with a frontman.  |
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