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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 1, 2019 1:13:14 GMT
Most of the people who go to Quo gigs these days (imo) aren't there to hear the new songs or album tracks, they are there for the classic singles....that's why they mainly play them imo. I don't think it's about the confidence of playing them. Francis or Rhino will play them at their solo gigs. Yes, there is truth in that. Though I have still wondered if they felt uncomfortable playing more of them than they do. There have been excuses about the song selection 'not flowing' when the solo gigs, as you mention, have seen quite a selection 'flow' without any problem at all. So that is why it seems there is more to it than that. I do think the 'flow' argument is always a bit of an excuse with the band so they can keep a similar setlist. But I don't think it is that they feel uncomfortable playing other songs per se. I just think they want to please the audience, and they want 95% of the audience to know 95% of the songs. And a large percentage of the audience these days are casuals. Francis or Rhino (or the Frantic Four for that matter) have played newer or more obscure songs because they know that they have a crowd who know everything they've ever done! Rhino plays Lucinda, and that was a b-side from You'll Come Round which was only ever on one of the Greatest Hits albums!! Most of a standard Quo crowd haven't even heard of the You'll Come Round, let alone it's b-side! But most people at a Rhino's Revenge gig know it. I honestly think it's a case of knowing your audience rather than any lack of confidence or uncomfortableness of playing the songs.
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Post by Victor on Nov 1, 2019 1:16:12 GMT
Yes, there is truth in that. Though I have still wondered if they felt uncomfortable playing more of them than they do. There have been excuses about the song selection 'not flowing' when the solo gigs, as you mention, have seen quite a selection 'flow' without any problem at all. So that is why it seems there is more to it than that. I do think the 'flow' argument is always a bit of an excuse with the band so they can keep a similar setlist. But I don't think it is that they feel uncomfortable playing other songs per se. I just think they want to please the audience, and they want 95% of the audience to know 95% of the songs. And a large percentage of the audience these days are casuals. Francis or Rhino (or the Frantic Four for that matter) have played newer or more obscure songs because they know that they have a crowd who know everything they've ever done! Rhino plays Lucinda, and that was a b-side from when....one of the Heavy Traffic singles!?! Most of a standard Quo crowd haven't even heard of the Heavy Traffic album. Lucinda was not from a HT single but the b-side of You'll come round, mate
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Post by I Ain't Complaining on Nov 1, 2019 1:22:05 GMT
I do think the 'flow' argument is always a bit of an excuse with the band so they can keep a similar setlist. But I don't think it is that they feel uncomfortable playing other songs per se. I just think they want to please the audience, and they want 95% of the audience to know 95% of the songs. And a large percentage of the audience these days are casuals. Francis or Rhino (or the Frantic Four for that matter) have played newer or more obscure songs because they know that they have a crowd who know everything they've ever done! Rhino plays Lucinda, and that was a b-side from when....one of the Heavy Traffic singles!?! Most of a standard Quo crowd haven't even heard of the Heavy Traffic album. Lucinda was not from a HT single but the b-side of You'll come round, mate Just looked it up and changed it. I wasn't far out! Thanks...... and good knowledge...you'll be allowed in a Rhino's Revenge gig now!
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Post by Victor on Nov 1, 2019 7:28:54 GMT
Lucinda was not from a HT single but the b-side of You'll come round, mate Just looked it up and changed it. I wasn't far out! Thanks...... and good knowledge...you'll be allowed in a Rhino's Revenge gig now! LOL ! I only know the version on record that is sung by Rick and sorry, but I don't have much interest to hear it sung by Rhino cos I ...well...ummm, he's not a very good singer imo ...
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Post by Victor on Nov 1, 2019 17:03:21 GMT
It wouldn't necessarily have to be a totally heavy sound, there are enough who like a range of songs with light and shade across the spectrum. I don't eschew the idea that there is either 70's old guard on the one hand and casual hit adorers on the other. Enough, such as myself exist who have appreciated a blend - and where no tribal binary categorical box types of people exist. Another reason really why I have become detached from any 'fanbase' because these things can become too polarized. There is nothing wrong with having specific preferences one way or the other, but things are not necessarily just black or white. I think there is a misconception, often stated by Rossi, that Frantic Four fans are some sort of death metal, hard rock fans only, holding up their hands in a sign of horns etc., This fails to recognise that people like myself came to Quo because they had melody, light and shade, rock and country all cooked within a 12 bar blues based music that does have a special heaviness, but not metal rock by any stretch of the imagination. Whilst I certainly place myself on the pre 1977 side of Quo this is because of what i perceived to be a drop in quality/change of what happened in 1977 and thereafter, and also with the post Quo band that continues today. In the past 30+ years there have only a few songs that I thought were ok. Not so with the Frantic Four. In the Frantic Four period I also really, really liked the softer side such as Fine Fine Fine, And Its Better Now, Lonely Man, Unspoken Words, A Year, All The Reasons (all those 3 of one 'heavy period album!!!) Where I am, Claudie, Blue For You, etc., Personally if you viewed my record collection, and look at what I listen to, there is a broad, eclectic taste that would defy the view of all the old Quo heads having their heads stuck in the sand. This includes for myself interest in all sorts of folk music, some country, punk, classic and opera! Of course classic period Quo is still a big part. If the band reformed after the split had have a different quality I may have followed it but for myself it didn't, it became bland and mediocre relying almost totally on playing the Frantic Four music to survive. This is not to say that those that like it are wrong or have a poor taste. It is just different tastes. It was however a new and different band. I don't nearly always agree with your views on things and I don't mean that in a wrong way. It's just different opinions and I prefer to debate at times about differing opinions in a reasonable and respectful way. In this message from you I actually do read quite a lot that I do agree with. That whole point about misconceptions about Quofans I totally agree with. I have met Quofans with both very smaal and very broad tastes in music. Mine has always been very broad and only has become more broad through the years. it ranges from classical to Melodic Death metal to punkrock to progressive to synthesizer music and most things in between. But Quo was and is still a big part of it all as well for me. I can also agree that the earlier abums from them were the best of all, difference is that for me the best period goes from 1970 to 1982 and that there are a few later albums I do enjoy (QPQ, UTI, TPAOY and most of all Backbone. The rest is pretty much forgettable for me. I can also agree that the softer side of them was best represented by songs like the obnes you mentioned like A year, Claudie, etc... they sound different from the easier songs nowadays. Something like MT hasn't got a patch on Claudie or such. However, as said I do enjoy some of the later work in it's own way. And Backbone may not be another NTL or earlier of course, but for me it stands miles above junk like AC, PR and such ! As you said, just different taste. Or maybe a matter of being more open to it or not ? I don;t really know.
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Post by gav on Nov 1, 2019 18:45:31 GMT
I think there is a misconception, often stated by Rossi, that Frantic Four fans are some sort of death metal, hard rock fans only, holding up their hands in a sign of horns etc., This fails to recognise that people like myself came to Quo because they had melody, light and shade, rock and country all cooked within a 12 bar blues based music that does have a special heaviness, but not metal rock by any stretch of the imagination. Whilst I certainly place myself on the pre 1977 side of Quo this is because of what i perceived to be a drop in quality/change of what happened in 1977 and thereafter, and also with the post Quo band that continues today. In the past 30+ years there have only a few songs that I thought were ok. Not so with the Frantic Four. In the Frantic Four period I also really, really liked the softer side such as Fine Fine Fine, And Its Better Now, Lonely Man, Unspoken Words, A Year, All The Reasons (all those 3 of one 'heavy period album!!!) Where I am, Claudie, Blue For You, etc., Personally if you viewed my record collection, and look at what I listen to, there is a broad, eclectic taste that would defy the view of all the old Quo heads having their heads stuck in the sand. This includes for myself interest in all sorts of folk music, some country, punk, classic and opera! Of course classic period Quo is still a big part. If the band reformed after the split had have a different quality I may have followed it but for myself it didn't, it became bland and mediocre relying almost totally on playing the Frantic Four music to survive. This is not to say that those that like it are wrong or have a poor taste. It is just different tastes. It was however a new and different band. I don't nearly always agree with your views on things and I don't mean that in a wrong way. It's just different opinions and I prefer to debate at times about differing opinions in a reasonable and respectful way. In this message from you I actually do read quite a lot that I do agree with. That whole point about misconceptions about Quofans I totally agree with. I have met Quofans with both very smaal and very broad tastes in music. Mine has always been very broad and only has become more broad through the years. it ranges from classical to Melodic Death metal to punkrock to progressive to synthesizer music and most things in between. But Quo was and is still a big part of it all as well for me. I can also agree that the earlier abums from them were the best of all, difference is that for me the best period goes from 1970 to 1982 and that there are a few later albums I do enjoy (QPQ, UTI, TPAOY and most of all Backbone. The rest is pretty much forgettable for me. I can also agree that the softer side of them was best represented by songs like the obnes you mentioned like A year, Claudie, etc... they sound different from the easier songs nowadays. Something like MT hasn't got a patch on Claudie or such. However, as said I do enjoy some of the later work in it's own way. And Backbone may not be another NTL or earlier of course, but for me it stands miles above junk like AC, PR and such ! As you said, just different taste. Or maybe a matter of being more open to it or not ? I don;t really know. You need to open the BFY thread btw!
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Post by Victor on Nov 1, 2019 20:34:49 GMT
I don't nearly always agree with your views on things and I don't mean that in a wrong way. It's just different opinions and I prefer to debate at times about differing opinions in a reasonable and respectful way. In this message from you I actually do read quite a lot that I do agree with. That whole point about misconceptions about Quofans I totally agree with. I have met Quofans with both very smaal and very broad tastes in music. Mine has always been very broad and only has become more broad through the years. it ranges from classical to Melodic Death metal to punkrock to progressive to synthesizer music and most things in between. But Quo was and is still a big part of it all as well for me. I can also agree that the earlier abums from them were the best of all, difference is that for me the best period goes from 1970 to 1982 and that there are a few later albums I do enjoy (QPQ, UTI, TPAOY and most of all Backbone. The rest is pretty much forgettable for me. I can also agree that the softer side of them was best represented by songs like the obnes you mentioned like A year, Claudie, etc... they sound different from the easier songs nowadays. Something like MT hasn't got a patch on Claudie or such. However, as said I do enjoy some of the later work in it's own way. And Backbone may not be another NTL or earlier of course, but for me it stands miles above junk like AC, PR and such ! As you said, just different taste. Or maybe a matter of being more open to it or not ? I don;t really know. You need to open the BFY thread btw! Yea will do right now mate, sorry. I have been having a pretty busy day. But next time I will open it first thing in my morning
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Post by charles on Nov 2, 2019 13:17:07 GMT
Yea, lot of truth in what you are saying above. Makes me think of how happy I was with Maiden's Brave new world and Priest's latest effort !
Huzzah! And I reckon Maiden are better now than they were before, but that is probably because they now play even more of what I like to hear from them. They've also stayed very lively live, and with great guitar playing. I can't think of any other "heritage band" I take an interest in that does that. (…)
So true.
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Post by gav on Nov 2, 2019 18:47:32 GMT
You need to open the BFY thread btw! Yea will do right now mate, sorry. I have been having a pretty busy day. But next time I will open it first thing in my morning Sorry, was just being a bit cheeky! Your busy day comes first.
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Post by Victor on Nov 2, 2019 18:49:08 GMT
Yea will do right now mate, sorry. I have been having a pretty busy day. But next time I will open it first thing in my morning Sorry, was just being a bit cheeky! Your busy day comes first. Nah, no need to be sorry at all I am glad you reminded me 'cos I almost forgot !
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