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Post by dennis on Jul 8, 2019 14:19:41 GMT
Cheers viza , hadn't seen that before Any drummers on here? JC, "A lot of drummers don’t play four-on-the-floor, they do two to the bar, it doesn’t work, you have to play four to the bar, for the shuffle, which I’m pleased to say I’m good at." Can any muso help me understand what he means?? Is it drummer's maths, where 2+2 doesn't necessarily equal 4?
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jul 8, 2019 15:13:22 GMT
Cheers viza , hadn't seen that before Any drummers on here? JC, "A lot of drummers don’t play four-on-the-floor, they do two to the bar, it doesn’t work, you have to play four to the bar, for the shuffle, which I’m pleased to say I’m good at." Can any muso help me understand what he means?? He is saying that he plays four thumps on the bass drum per bar when he plays a shuffle, whereas other drummers may go for the 2 beats/bass drum per bar. Fairly sure Pip W encouraged JC, through his cans in the studio Bohus, to knock out four on the floor in the outro to Rockin', though not the best example perhaps as not a shuffle.
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Favourite Quo Album: 'Hello' [and 'Quo Live']
Favourite other bands.: Zappa, Kansas, Rush, Deep Purple, Yes, Richard Thompson, Horslips, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest etc etc. [ANYONE but Kiss!]
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Post by gerh on Jul 8, 2019 19:14:49 GMT
Cheers viza , hadn't seen that before Any drummers on here? JC, "A lot of drummers don’t play four-on-the-floor, they do two to the bar, it doesn’t work, you have to play four to the bar, for the shuffle, which I’m pleased to say I’m good at." Can any muso help me understand what he means?? He is saying that he plays four thumps on the bass drum per bar when he plays a shuffle, whereas other drummers may go for the 2 beats/bass drum per bar. Fairly sure Pip W encouraged JC, through his cans in the studio Bohus, to knock out four on the floor in the outro to Rockin', though not the best example perhaps as not a shuffle. DWMT - Shuffle par excellence from Mr C. [bass and snare ]
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Favourite Quo Album: 'Hello' [and 'Quo Live']
Favourite other bands.: Zappa, Kansas, Rush, Deep Purple, Yes, Richard Thompson, Horslips, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest etc etc. [ANYONE but Kiss!]
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Post by gerh on Jul 8, 2019 19:22:56 GMT
And they were never part of "glam", even early glam ... they went through the shiny togs phase in the 60s. "Prog" as a concept didn't exist till the 1980s, and then only in the minds of pundits who were trying to carve up the real progressive movement into handy slices so that they could argue about Yes and ELP.
(Francis actually says this in his book. Yay Francis! At least we know he actually lived through it!) ?? Maybe it wasn't a concept you were aware of until the '80s, but it's certainly one I was familiar with in the '70s. Yep - deffo primarily a 70s 'thing', but there were some great mid/late 60s efforts too - we could tie each other in knots trying [and not agreeing!] on who/what Prog is though! [Is it a marketing label? A state of mind? A vegetable or a fruit?]
I would actually have thought the opposite to Mrs F, that Prog was [generally] dying through the 80s as opposed to beginning to exist either in reality or as a concept then. Thankfully it's in a reasonably healthy state now - albeit as 'underground' as it ever was
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Jul 8, 2019 20:30:45 GMT
?? Maybe it wasn't a concept you were aware of until the '80s, but it's certainly one I was familiar with in the '70s. Yep - deffo primarily a 70s 'thing', but there were some great mid/late 60s efforts too - we could tie each other in knots trying [and not agreeing!] on who/what Prog is though! [Is it a marketing label? A state of mind? A vegetable or a fruit?]
I would actually have thought the opposite to Mrs F, that Prog was [generally] dying through the 80s as opposed to beginning to exist either in reality or as a concept then. Thankfully it's in a reasonably healthy state now - albeit as 'underground' as it ever was Not everyone's cup of PG Tips, I dare say... but I thought 'The Life Of Rock with Brian Pern' was similar to Spinal Tap but based on Prog rock in the 60s and 70s, from memory. Based around Pern's prog rock band 'Thotch'! Made with some affection I think.
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Post by kursaal75 on Jul 9, 2019 7:44:57 GMT
This album with its cover & title, just lept out of the record shelves in January '73 to tell the public what this album was all about. We are a no nonsense, loud, sweaty, in ya face raw rock band, we are Status Quo. I had already heard the single 'Paper Plane' and what a 3 minutes joy to the ears that was. Having being introduced to Status Quo the previous year by my eldest sister with the Dog album, I couldn't wait for Piledriver to be released. 'Don't Waste My Time', has always been in my Top 5 tracks by The band and was also a live favorite. A great toe tapper opener. Oh Baby, to me is my least favorite track, but saying that, any album after 1981, the track would probably be one of the better songs. I took me a while to get used to 'A Year', but now I love it, it's always good to see JCQ perform this. Unspoken Words, always reminds me of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac's 'Need Your Love' I love the the intro to the first track on side 2, Big Fat Mama, before bursting into life. The single Paper Plane comes next, which sounded great on the radio. 'All The Reasons', was another track that took a while to get used too, before the album ends with Roadhouse Blues, okay it maybe a Doors cover, but I just live the feel to this 7½ minute epic. I have bought this album many a times in different formats. The original gatefold cover in Jan '73, the cassette version for my birthday in March. The gatefold cover again when Hello was released, later in the year, as the first copy was scratched. I bought the album again in a single sleeve, in the 80s. The CD version in the late 90s, the remastered edition in 2005, Part of the vinyl box set 1972-80 a few years ago and finally the blue vinyl release. I've mentioned this before, but I believe the photos from the album where taken from the Harlow Playhouse in Essex, at my first Quo concert, 05:02:1972. (9/10)
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Post by dennis on Jul 9, 2019 8:28:28 GMT
This album with its cover & title, just lept out of the record shelves in January '73 to tell the public what this album was all about. We are a no nonsense, loud, sweaty, in ya face raw rock band, we are Status Quo. I had already heard the single 'Paper Plane' and what a 3 minutes joy to the ears that was. Having being introduced to Status Quo the previous year by my eldest sister with the Dog album, I couldn't wait for Piledriver to be released. 'Don't Waste My Time', has always been in my Top 5 tracks by The band and was also a live favorite. A great toe tapper opener. Oh Baby, to me is my least favorite track, but saying that, any album after 1981, the track would probably be one of the better songs. I took me a while to get used to 'A Year', but now I love it, it's always good to see JCQ perform this. Unspoken Words, always reminds me of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac's 'Need Your Love' I love the the intro to the first track on side 2, Big Fat Mama, before bursting into life. The single Paper Plane comes next, which sounded great on the radio. 'All The Reasons', was another track that took a while to get used too, before the album ends with Roadhouse Blues, okay it maybe a Doors cover, but I just live the feel to this 7½ minute epic. I have bought this album many a times in different formats. The original gatefold cover in Jan '73, the cassette version for my birthday in March. The gatefold cover again when Hello was released, later in the year, as the first copy was scratched. I bought the album again in a single sleeve, in the 80s. The CD version in the late 90s, the remastered edition in 2005, Part of the vinyl box set 1972-80 a few years ago and finally the blue vinyl release. I've mentioned this before, but I believe the photos from the album where taken from the Harlow Playhouse in Essex, at my first Quo concert, 05:02:1972. (9/10) Have you not got the deluxe version? Part-timer!
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Post by kursaal75 on Jul 9, 2019 8:49:50 GMT
This album with its cover & title, just lept out of the record shelves in January '73 to tell the public what this album was all about. We are a no nonsense, loud, sweaty, in ya face raw rock band, we are Status Quo. I had already heard the single 'Paper Plane' and what a 3 minutes joy to the ears that was. Having being introduced to Status Quo the previous year by my eldest sister with the Dog album, I couldn't wait for Piledriver to be released. 'Don't Waste My Time', has always been in my Top 5 tracks by The band and was also a live favorite. A great toe tapper opener. Oh Baby, to me is my least favorite track, but saying that, any album after 1981, the track would probably be one of the better songs. I took me a while to get used to 'A Year', but now I love it, it's always good to see JCQ perform this. Unspoken Words, always reminds me of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac's 'Need Your Love' I love the the intro to the first track on side 2, Big Fat Mama, before bursting into life. The single Paper Plane comes next, which sounded great on the radio. 'All The Reasons', was another track that took a while to get used too, before the album ends with Roadhouse Blues, okay it maybe a Doors cover, but I just live the feel to this 7½ minute epic. I have bought this album many a times in different formats. The original gatefold cover in Jan '73, the cassette version for my birthday in March. The gatefold cover again when Hello was released, later in the year, as the first copy was scratched. I bought the album again in a single sleeve, in the 80s. The CD version in the late 90s, the remastered edition in 2005, Part of the vinyl box set 1972-80 a few years ago and finally the blue vinyl release. I've mentioned this before, but I believe the photos from the album where taken from the Harlow Playhouse in Essex, at my first Quo concert, 05:02:1972. (9/10) Have you not got the deluxe version? Part-timer! No, or the 8 track cartridge album, as I've never drove.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 9, 2019 10:30:58 GMT
Yes it is good thanks especially the bits about the magic circle, and the reunion.
She's mixed up a couple of things, no doubt being a young person and looking down the other end of the telescope
You might get the idea that this successful band cast aside their pop identity and went rock against the trend of the industry whereas they were wrestling with selling less and less and their management, label and "team" were getting worried. So some sort of change was needed. If the psychedelic pop had gone on selling, I reckon Roadhouse Blues would have been a lot longer in the pipeline.
And they were never part of "glam", even early glam ... they went through the shiny togs phase in the 60s. "Prog" as a concept didn't exist till the 1980s, and then only in the minds of pundits who were trying to carve up the real progressive movement into handy slices so that they could argue about Yes and ELP.
(Francis actually says this in his book. Yay Francis! At least we know he actually lived through it!)
?? Maybe it wasn't a concept you were aware of until the '80s, but it's certainly one I was familiar with in the '70s. I am always interested in the history of usage! Assist me please - who was using the expression "prog" to describe pre-punk music in the 70s? (I admit it was possible as punk happened in 1975 ish) I was reliant on UK music newspapers and radio, I didn't for instance see much USA stuff, and nothing from continental Europe.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 9, 2019 10:41:05 GMT
?? Maybe it wasn't a concept you were aware of until the '80s, but it's certainly one I was familiar with in the '70s. Yep - deffo primarily a 70s 'thing', but there were some great mid/late 60s efforts too - we could tie each other in knots trying [and not agreeing!] on who/what Prog is though! [Is it a marketing label? A state of mind? A vegetable or a fruit?]
I would actually have thought the opposite to Mrs F, that Prog was [generally] dying through the 80s as opposed to beginning to exist either in reality or as a concept then. Thankfully it's in a reasonably healthy state now - albeit as 'underground' as it ever was Please to note I am not talking about the musical movement - I am talking about the way it was understood and described. I never saw it called "Prog" in the 60s and early 70s when it was a growing movement. It was either called "underground" (earlier) or "progressive" (about 5 minutes later). Once the label "prog" surfaced, it was always taken to mean very long songs with far too many keyboards in them ... all the other ground breaking styles of the late 60s seem to be either forgotten, or regarded as an amusing interlude. Pah! What really got my goat was seeing all that stuff described as "pre-prog" in a Wikipedia article somewhere. Although ... if "prog" is simply the long songs with widdly keyboards, then we might as well regard everything else as "pre-prog", rather like regarding the whole of civilization so far as a run-up to University Challenge. Ptah!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 10:53:00 GMT
Yep - deffo primarily a 70s 'thing', but there were some great mid/late 60s efforts too - we could tie each other in knots trying [and not agreeing!] on who/what Prog is though! [Is it a marketing label? A state of mind? A vegetable or a fruit?]
I would actually have thought the opposite to Mrs F, that Prog was [generally] dying through the 80s as opposed to beginning to exist either in reality or as a concept then. Thankfully it's in a reasonably healthy state now - albeit as 'underground' as it ever was Please to note I am not talking about the musical movement - I am talking about the way it was understood and described. I never saw it called "Prog" in the 60s and early 70s when it was a growing movement. It was either called "underground" (earlier) or "progressive" (about 5 minutes later). Once the label "prog" surfaced, it was always taken to mean very long songs with far too many keyboards in them ... all the other ground breaking styles of the late 60s seem to be either forgotten, or regarded as an amusing interlude. Pah! What really got my goat was seeing all that stuff described as "pre-prog" in a Wikipedia article somewhere. Although ... if "prog" is simply the long songs with widdly keyboards, then we might as well regard everything else as "pre-prog", rather like regarding the whole of civilization so far as a run-up to University Challenge. Ptah!
No such thing as too many keyboards!
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 9, 2019 17:48:59 GMT
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Post by paradiseflats on Jul 9, 2019 17:58:11 GMT
Please to note I am not talking about the musical movement - I am talking about the way it was understood and described. I never saw it called "Prog" in the 60s and early 70s when it was a growing movement. It was either called "underground" (earlier) or "progressive" (about 5 minutes later). Once the label "prog" surfaced, it was always taken to mean very long songs with far too many keyboards in them ... all the other ground breaking styles of the late 60s seem to be either forgotten, or regarded as an amusing interlude. Pah! What really got my goat was seeing all that stuff described as "pre-prog" in a Wikipedia article somewhere. Although ... if "prog" is simply the long songs with widdly keyboards, then we might as well regard everything else as "pre-prog", rather like regarding the whole of civilization so far as a run-up to University Challenge. Ptah!
No such thing as too many keyboards! Correct. It’s a question of Moog or not to Moog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 19:14:18 GMT
No such thing as too many keyboards! Correct. It’s a question of Moog or not to Moog I don't think DaveyNo had realised that his favourite politician had a past in prog rock, I refer of course to Mr White Cotton P anties himself, Jacob Rhys Moog.
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Post by dennis on Jul 9, 2019 21:16:13 GMT
?? Maybe it wasn't a concept you were aware of until the '80s, but it's certainly one I was familiar with in the '70s. I am always interested in the history of usage! Assist me please - who was using the expression "prog" to describe pre-punk music in the 70s? (I admit it was possible as punk happened in 1975 ish) I was reliant on UK music newspapers and radio, I didn't for instance see much USA stuff, and nothing from continental Europe.
Looking back over 40 odd years I now realise how foolish it was not to make a list! As I recall, the shortening of progressive to prog seemed so immediate it was almost simultaneous. However, I freely admit that's the perception of a youngster just exploring the world of music beyond the charts as I approached my teens. However, a gander at Merriam-Webster provides these snippets regarding first use of the respective terms as being 1967 for progressive rock & 1971 for prog rock, although the specifics are not detailed but I suspect it may well be more than likely that they're basing those dates on American use. Nonetheless, I wouldn't have thought migration of those terms across the Atlantic would take all that long, even in those days - years rather than decades, perhaps. Tbh, I'm always more interested in whether I like the music or not than the label being used to pigeonhole it, especially as so many artists draw upon many influences & often stray from their perceived musical style.
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