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Post by Railroad17 on Jul 5, 2019 20:58:30 GMT
And a round of applause for Jimmy Horowitz,the engineering team and the unsung legend that was Damon Lyon Shaw,sounded so much better when they ditched him for Pip Williams didn't it.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jul 6, 2019 11:42:47 GMT
Album forever spoiled for me because of when I got it
By that time I had 12gb, plus live versions of dwmt bfm rb, and preferred them
I didn't like the 3 mellow songs so would sometimes just open the sleeve for a quick listen of o baby
Still dont like all the reasons but grew to love UW and AY
Listening again this week I really enjoyed RB, which although not my favorite version, has been really underplayed by me
Feel really proud of the album for many reasons, although I used to think it was timeless, but I now think it's of its time
Proud of the cover, as it was so influential, esp with what became the NWOBHM
Then again I look at it and it isn't my Quo. Shots of the band late 70's and early 80's are more Quo to me... All depends on when you got into them
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 6, 2019 13:21:54 GMT
Who??
I broadly agree with him though. I love a lot of Quo ballads, but apart from ATR, which I adore, the ballads on Piledriver aren't my favourites.
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 6, 2019 13:45:08 GMT
By happy chance I have listened to Piledriver again lately as I finally got round to adding it to my CD stack after many years of running a wonky homwbrew cassette off the vinyl. I will always have difficulty with "Piledriver vs Hello". Whichever way I argue myself, there is always an argument the other way. Joyfully of course I have both of them so I can go on arguing with myself. There are excellent songs and albums on either side of those, but it will always be those two at the top of the Quo Tree for me. Of course, being a "late fan", I came to both albums from the wrong side, and of course, that being the case, I discovered Oh Baby and ATR, which I love and had never heard before in any way shape or form. BFM and Roadhouse were also fairly new to me, but they were in the live set at the time, which is the beset place for them. I think compared with Hello, I like the "soft option" tracks on Hello better than their opposite numbers on Piledriver. Perhaps having been through the Blues Boom, I wasn't really interested by songs in a straight blues format. Let's be fair, in my earworld, any blues type song by a rock band is up agains Zep's Since I've Been Loving You. No contest. But any albums with that many favourite songs on it has to be one of the best albums of all time. Just like "Hello". Footnote. I just found out (here I think??) that "Piledriver" was something to do with wrestling. (Hence the gorilla?) At age about 10 we lived no far mup the road from a major urban building site where they had a REAL piledriver operating for the best part of a year, knocking in steel pilings for the new high-rise development. That is what I thought a piledriver was ... sorry, gorilla! No contest. I remember Rick saying that the Aussies thought it was "Piled River". I don't know if this was a Rick joke or whether Aussies didn't have wrestling or high-rise building sites yet!
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Jul 6, 2019 14:28:39 GMT
Yes it is good thanks especially the bits about the magic circle, and the reunion.
She's mixed up a couple of things, no doubt being a young person and looking down the other end of the telescope
You might get the idea that this successful band cast aside their pop identity and went rock against the trend of the industry whereas they were wrestling with selling less and less and their management, label and "team" were getting worried. So some sort of change was needed. If the psychedelic pop had gone on selling, I reckon Roadhouse Blues would have been a lot longer in the pipeline.
And they were never part of "glam", even early glam ... they went through the shiny togs phase in the 60s. "Prog" as a concept didn't exist till the 1980s, and then only in the minds of pundits who were trying to carve up the real progressive movement into handy slices so that they could argue about Yes and ELP.
(Francis actually says this in his book. Yay Francis! At least we know he actually lived through it!)
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Post by Victor on Jul 6, 2019 19:08:35 GMT
I got to know this album in 1977. I had just got into Quo through RAOTW and collected the whole back catalogue within weeks...and of course then got REALLY surprised at how good they were ! Piledriver is without a doubt one of their best albums. I had to get used to a few tracks though at first, those were O Baby and Unspoken Words. Unlike for many others Unspoken Words still isn't a favorite for me although I appreciate it more then I did back then at first. O baby I got to absolutely love after getting used to it. The rest of the tracks I have loved from the start. Favorites on the album for me are Don't waste my time, Paper Plane, A year and Roadhouse Blues. I like Big fat Mama but unlike for many others it's not my most favorite track. All the Reasons is a nice ballad, but I think A Year is much better, I consider that not only one of their most brilliant songs but one of the best ballads ever written in general !
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Post by Victor on Jul 6, 2019 19:11:20 GMT
Album forever spoiled for me because of when I got it By that time I had 12gb, plus live versions of dwmt bfm rb, and preferred them I didn't like the 3 mellow songs so would sometimes just open the sleeve for a quick listen of o baby Still dont like all the reasons but grew to love UW and AY Listening again this week I really enjoyed RB, which although not my favorite version, has been really underplayed by me Feel really proud of the album for many reasons, although I used to think it was timeless, but I now think it's of its time Proud of the cover, as it was so influential, esp with what became the NWOBHM Then again I look at it and it isn't my Quo. Shots of the band late 70's and early 80's are more Quo to me... All depends on when you got into them That doesn't have to be true. For me it worked different. I got into Quo through RAOTW and IYCSTH but when I got the back catalogue up to RAOTW I considered each and every album to be better then those two. Was I surprised at first about RAOTW and IYCSTH and how good they seemed to me, when I got MKSG on to BFY I considered each of those albums to be better.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jul 6, 2019 19:41:59 GMT
Album forever spoiled for me because of when I got it By that time I had 12gb, plus live versions of dwmt bfm rb, and preferred them I didn't like the 3 mellow songs so would sometimes just open the sleeve for a quick listen of o baby Still dont like all the reasons but grew to love UW and AY Listening again this week I really enjoyed RB, which although not my favorite version, has been really underplayed by me Feel really proud of the album for many reasons, although I used to think it was timeless, but I now think it's of its time Proud of the cover, as it was so influential, esp with what became the NWOBHM Then again I look at it and it isn't my Quo. Shots of the band late 70's and early 80's are more Quo to me... All depends on when you got into them That doesn't have to be true. For me it worked different. I got into Quo through RAOTW and IYCSTH but when I got the back catalogue up to RAOTW I considered each and every album to be better then those two. Was I surprised at first about RAOTW and IYCSTH and how good they seemed to me, when I got MKSG on to BFY I considered each of those albums to be better. Sorry, I meant the cover / look of the band
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Post by Victor on Jul 6, 2019 19:46:43 GMT
That doesn't have to be true. For me it worked different. I got into Quo through RAOTW and IYCSTH but when I got the back catalogue up to RAOTW I considered each and every album to be better then those two. Was I surprised at first about RAOTW and IYCSTH and how good they seemed to me, when I got MKSG on to BFY I considered each of those albums to be better. Sorry, I meant the cover / look of the band Oh ok...no problem Should have read a bit better...blame my age !
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jul 6, 2019 20:42:48 GMT
Sorry, I meant the cover / look of the band Oh ok...no problem Should have read a bit better...blame my age !Fair enough, you old bastard
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Post by paradiseflats on Jul 6, 2019 21:03:48 GMT
That doesn't have to be true. For me it worked different. I got into Quo through RAOTW and IYCSTH but when I got the back catalogue up to RAOTW I considered each and every album to be better then those two. Was I surprised at first about RAOTW and IYCSTH and how good they seemed to me, when I got MKSG on to BFY I considered each of those albums to be better. Sorry, I meant the cover / look of the band I accept its different for everyone though I got into the band in the early 80s.My band is 70-76. Visually,conceptually and musically. I suppose it’s because although I loved the first two albums of the 80s it went downwards after that. Then in ‘85 they were gone. Never been my band since.
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Post by Victor on Jul 6, 2019 21:08:22 GMT
Sorry, I meant the cover / look of the band I accept its different but even though I got into the band in the early 89s. My band is 70-76. Visually,conceptually and musically. I suppose it’s because although I loved the first two albums of the 89s it went downwards after that. Then in ‘85 they were gone. Never been my band since. Ummm...didn't you mean 80's ...89's sounds a bit weird lol
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Post by viza on Jul 7, 2019 7:52:15 GMT
Sorry, I meant the cover / look of the band I accept its different for everyone though I got into the band in the early 80s.My band is 70-76. Visually,conceptually and musically. I suppose it’s because although I loved the first two albums of the 80s it went downwards after that. Then in ‘85 they were gone. Never been my band since. First thing I ever heard of Quo was a Pye compilation, nothing special to my ears at the time. Some year later I heard NTL which I really liked. Started to explore some other albums and borrowed Piledriver and BFY from a friend and realized that this was something truly different. And as I said before Piledriver is still my favorite album. So I was kind of working from both sides to get to the golden era.
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Post by dennis on Jul 8, 2019 8:47:46 GMT
Yes it is good thanks especially the bits about the magic circle, and the reunion.
She's mixed up a couple of things, no doubt being a young person and looking down the other end of the telescope
You might get the idea that this successful band cast aside their pop identity and went rock against the trend of the industry whereas they were wrestling with selling less and less and their management, label and "team" were getting worried. So some sort of change was needed. If the psychedelic pop had gone on selling, I reckon Roadhouse Blues would have been a lot longer in the pipeline.
And they were never part of "glam", even early glam ... they went through the shiny togs phase in the 60s. "Prog" as a concept didn't exist till the 1980s, and then only in the minds of pundits who were trying to carve up the real progressive movement into handy slices so that they could argue about Yes and ELP.
(Francis actually says this in his book. Yay Francis! At least we know he actually lived through it!)
?? Maybe it wasn't a concept you were aware of until the '80s, but it's certainly one I was familiar with in the '70s.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Jul 8, 2019 12:04:46 GMT
Cheers viza, hadn't seen that before Any drummers on here? JC, "A lot of drummers don’t play four-on-the-floor, they do two to the bar, it doesn’t work, you have to play four to the bar, for the shuffle, which I’m pleased to say I’m good at." Can any muso help me understand what he means??
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