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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Mar 17, 2019 9:31:45 GMT
Hated by many but two things stands out to me in the new book.
Francis says because of all the drugs he can't remember recording 1+9+8+2. He then goes on to say that he recorded Jealousy with Bernie Frost in 1985 and it didn't go anywhere. Then says if Quo had recorded it maybe it would have got somewhere.
I'm not a big fan of this one and no doubt many think it's rubbish. However, it shows either Francis memory from the time is shot from the drugs or it was always a Rossi/Frost track and like GDTT Rick and Alan were not on it. Probably no Pete either as always sounded like a drum machine on that one. Andy was probably on it though.
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 17, 2019 9:46:44 GMT
I don't know why but I always liked that one. And it was definitely on 1+9+8+2 Francis! But then I was never against the lighter side of Quo prior to 84. Maybe he re-recorded with Bernie in 85? Interesting about his memory though Lord Flasheart. Hardly surprising, considering the amount he is alleged to have taken.
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Mar 17, 2019 10:52:43 GMT
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Post by paradiseflats on Mar 17, 2019 10:52:43 GMT
Hated by many but two things stands out to me in the new book. Francis says because of all the drugs he can't remember recording 1+9+8+2. He then goes on to say that he recorded Jealousy with Bernie Frost in 1985 and it didn't go anywhere. Then says if Quo had recorded it maybe it would have got somewhere. I'm not a big fan of this one and no doubt many think it's rubbish. However, it shows either Francis memory from the time is shot from the drugs or it was always a Rossi/Frost track and like GDTT Rick and Alan were not on it. Probably no Pete either as always sounded like a drum machine on that one. Andy was probably on it though. Which brings into question what he claims happened with John etc. He either can or can’t remember.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Mar 17, 2019 11:06:28 GMT
Hated by many but two things stands out to me in the new book. Francis says because of all the drugs he can't remember recording 1+9+8+2. He then goes on to say that he recorded Jealousy with Bernie Frost in 1985 and it didn't go anywhere. Then says if Quo had recorded it maybe it would have got somewhere. I'm not a big fan of this one and no doubt many think it's rubbish. However, it shows either Francis memory from the time is shot from the drugs or it was always a Rossi/Frost track and like GDTT Rick and Alan were not on it. Probably no Pete either as always sounded like a drum machine on that one. Andy was probably on it though. Which brings into question what he claims happened with John etc. He either can or can’t remember. I notice that in the new book he is more hazy on what happened with John. In previous books he was much more precise on what happened. He says the drum incident happened but can't really remember it. It does seem as though John was then "moved" out of the way by maybe other management. A certain "Manager" seems to have more to do with it than Francis,Rick or even Alan.
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 17, 2019 11:16:04 GMT
Interesting again, Lord Flasheart. What comes to my mind is that back then, the Quo management would make sure that the story for the fans was clear. Now, not only time and drugs have probably affected Francis' memory, but in his attempt to get his version of the truth out there, he admits to things that were not said previously... well that might account for it.
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Mar 17, 2019 11:33:19 GMT
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Post by paradiseflats on Mar 17, 2019 11:33:19 GMT
Interesting again, Lord Flasheart. What comes to my mind is that back then, the Quo management would make sure that the story for the fans was clear. Now, not only time and drugs have probably affected Francis' memory, but in his attempt to get his version of the truth out there, he admits to things that were not said previously... well that might account for it. [b Personally I think you are giving him a huge benefit of the doubt. As this is his third or fourth book about his time in the band. It’s almost like saying well I know you paid good money before for the truth but pay more and I will really tell you the truth.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Mar 17, 2019 11:38:35 GMT
Interesting again, Lord Flasheart. What comes to my mind is that back then, the Quo management would make sure that the story for the fans was clear. Now, not only time and drugs have probably affected Francis' memory, but in his attempt to get his version of the truth out there, he admits to things that were not said previously... well that might account for it. [b Personally I think you are giving him a huge benefit of the doubt. As this is his third or fourth book about his time in the band. It’s almost like saying well I know you paid good money before for the truth but pay more and I will really tell you the truth. Though this time evidently all 4 of them talked at the time of the reunion and everyone's story would have been told. John would have seen things differently and would have discussed this with Francis. So the story will change once you hear the other side with your own ears instead of through someone elses.
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Mar 17, 2019 11:48:56 GMT
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Post by paradiseflats on Mar 17, 2019 11:48:56 GMT
[b Personally I think you are giving him a huge benefit of the doubt. As this is his third or fourth book about his time in the band. It’s almost like saying well I know you paid good money before for the truth but pay more and I will really tell you the truth. Though this time evidently all 4 of them talked at the time of the reunion and everyone's story would have been told. John would have seen things differently and would have discussed this with Francis. So the story will change once you hear the other side with your own ears instead of through someone elses. That’s quite an assumption. Hearing and listening are not the same thing. Can I ask does he say why he and Rick had fallen out and weee barely on speaking terms ?
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Mar 17, 2019 12:06:07 GMT
Though this time evidently all 4 of them talked at the time of the reunion and everyone's story would have been told. John would have seen things differently and would have discussed this with Francis. So the story will change once you hear the other side with your own ears instead of through someone elses. That’s quite an assumption. Hearing and listening are not the same thing. Can I ask does he say why he and Rick had fallen out and weee barely on speaking terms ? Not read all of it yet but Rick's story is interwoven throughout the book. Francis is convinced that someone was "wispering" in his ear in the last few years and they were planting seeds of doubt in his head. Rick apparently was a real worrier and would always be asking Francis for reassurance. Rick slowly distanced himself from the rest of the band in the last years. Though Francis does say Rick had a experience with a "witch" back in the 70s and he believes she spiked him with LSD. He thinks that Rick changed that day and often would shout "You You You"at him and others when angry. Which is what the woman had said to him when she saw Rick for the first time. Though most of the problems stemmed from Rick drinking to much, he was apparently a Jekyll and Hyde and Mr Hyde came out when he was drunk.
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Mar 17, 2019 12:24:27 GMT
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Post by Quoincidence on Mar 17, 2019 12:24:27 GMT
I prefer the 1985 Rossi / Frost recording of Jealousy. It's utter SHITE the 1982 version.
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 17, 2019 12:29:05 GMT
Interesting again, Lord Flasheart. What comes to my mind is that back then, the Quo management would make sure that the story for the fans was clear. Now, not only time and drugs have probably affected Francis' memory, but in his attempt to get his version of the truth out there, he admits to things that were not said previously... well that might account for it. [b Personally I think you are giving him a huge benefit of the doubt. As this is his third or fourth book about his time in the band. It’s almost like saying well I know you paid good money before for the truth but pay more and I will really tell you the truth. Let me qualify my response. I was not thinking of any specific book but I'm very much aware that what was printed about Quo in those early books for fans (late 70s/early 80s) was often made up. They definitely hid all the drugs etc. So that is part of my thought process. Thinking more on this specific book which I have not read either yet but isn't it ghost written by Mick Wall? Well he is very unreliable on Quo history as we all discovered from a recent interview about Rick. He got many facts which fans no wrong. I'm not blaming Mick for changes to the book. But its easy to see how confusion and changes to stories arise. Unless they had all kept diaries at the time, and we had access to all those diaries, we have no idea what really happened. How can that be possible. Even within our own families we have different memories of shared experiences.
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Post by Victor on Mar 17, 2019 13:52:30 GMT
I don't know why but I always liked that one. And it was definitely on 1+9+8+2 Francis! But then I was never against the lighter side of Quo prior to 84.
Maybe he re-recorded with Bernie in 85? Interesting about his memory though Lord Flasheart. Hardly surprising, considering the amount he is alleged to have taken. This...well except for the album that came after 1983...
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Mar 17, 2019 15:28:46 GMT
[b Personally I think you are giving him a huge benefit of the doubt. As this is his third or fourth book about his time in the band. It’s almost like saying well I know you paid good money before for the truth but pay more and I will really tell you the truth. Let me qualify my response. I was not thinking of any specific book but I'm very much aware that what was printed about Quo in those early books for fans (late 70s/early 80s) was often made up. They definitely hid all the drugs etc. So that is part of my thought process. Thinking more on this specific book which I have not read either yet but isn't it ghost written by Mick Wall? Well he is very unreliable on Quo history as we all discovered from a recent interview about Rick. He got many facts which fans no wrong. I'm not blaming Mick for changes to the book. But its easy to see how confusion and changes to stories arise. Unless they had all kept diaries at the time, and we had access to all those diaries, we have no idea what really happened. How can that be possible. Even within our own families we have different memories of shared experiences. That is a very good point about selective memories and even in our families. In my extended family, things I thought were important memories have been met with "did we?".."when?" etc! I had concerns with the book being in Mick Wall's hands but, so far anyway, I have enjoyed the writing style and a sense that Francis had the ultimate veto in all matters. In terms of Rossi's memory though...I knew they were snorting and drinking but still a shock to find out that Francis remembers absolutely nothing about any of the 7 nights they did at Hammersmith in 1982. Nothing at all.
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Post by paradiseflats on Mar 17, 2019 16:03:46 GMT
Let me qualify my response. I was not thinking of any specific book but I'm very much aware that what was printed about Quo in those early books for fans (late 70s/early 80s) was often made up. They definitely hid all the drugs etc. So that is part of my thought process. Thinking more on this specific book which I have not read either yet but isn't it ghost written by Mick Wall? Well he is very unreliable on Quo history as we all discovered from a recent interview about Rick. He got many facts which fans no wrong. I'm not blaming Mick for changes to the book. But its easy to see how confusion and changes to stories arise. Unless they had all kept diaries at the time, and we had access to all those diaries, we have no idea what really happened. How can that be possible. Even within our own families we have different memories of shared experiences. That is a very good point about selective memories and even in our families. In my extended family, things I thought were important memories have been met with "did we?".."when?" etc! I had concerns with the book being in Mick Wall's hands but, so far anyway, I have enjoyed the writing style and a sense that Francis had the ultimate veto in all matters. In terms of Rossi's memory though...I knew they were snorting and drinking but still a shock to find out that Francis remembers absolutely nothing about any of the 7 nights they did at Hammersmith in 1982. Nothing at all. Mind you ask me about 1982 and I will be honest and can not say I remember much at all. Remember the NEC on tv. But not a lot else. I think like all things take with a pinch of salt what is in the book. Without knowing the opinions of the band members of what was going on and the context of what happened it can only ever be a partial view. Francis in my view always has to justify why he did what he did over the last 40 years. I would like him to address his creative frustration over many many decades. He clearly feels his non Quo boogie songs were great but didn't get a fair hearing. So he is all these years later the man who effectively killed Bambi. Dragged them away from the sound that made them a big band. He sits a rich man and good on him but in my view unfulfilled. Francis is not a bad man I am sure. He has brought me a lot of pleasure but also so much frustration. I almost sense some are desperate for this book to prove it was always some else to blame. Whether it be John, Alan,Rick,Bob,Bernie et al. Francis is clearly a difficult person to get on with. Does he address how he could have dealt with things differently? For the central irony is for a man who dislikes nostalgia and looking backwards, he has spent the last 20 plus years relying on it.
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Mar 17, 2019 17:48:15 GMT
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Post by blagult on Mar 17, 2019 17:48:15 GMT
Back to the track. I don’t believe I hear Rick, Alan or Pete on the 1982 version. Hence Francis remark. So was it recorded separately by Francis and guests ? I’ve always felt that about the track of which I don’t particularly like. It’s got that earmarked for a single sound about it. Was released everywhere but UK. We got She don’t fool Me for some reason. Just a bad period for the band album wise imho. Ran out of ideas somewhat.
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