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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Mar 16, 2019 21:39:36 GMT
Obviously I haven't read it yet but, if Alan lost the head with the catering staff, he should be ashamed of himself. You should be respectful to people contributing to keep the wheel going... On the flip side, Rossi using that as a reason to fall out with him is petty and childish and shows his attitude towards Alan. In terms of the "should have let him fall over" line... I've thought about it and it's common for people who are ill to react like the way Alan did. We all know he's a proud and stubborn man. Rossi saying that shows a lack of compassion, understanding and I don't like that in a person You're right about how sometimes ill people can react in a stubborn way and have something still in them that is fighting in a way, not wanting to be a special case and just wanting to be like others who are just going about their everyday lives without physical problems. I've seen it first hand on different occasions sadly and there was this stubborness, frustration and almost anger at times and pushing help away.
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Post by 4th Chord on Mar 16, 2019 21:48:03 GMT
Working my way through the book this weekend.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 17, 2019 2:17:48 GMT
Obviously I haven't read it yet but, if Alan lost the head with the catering staff, he should be ashamed of himself. You should be respectful to people contributing to keep the wheel going... On the flip side, Rossi using that as a reason to fall out with him is petty and childish and shows his attitude towards Alan. In terms of the "should have let him fall over" line... I've thought about it and it's common for people who are ill to react like the way Alan did. We all know he's a proud and stubborn man. Rossi saying that shows a lack of compassion, understanding and I don't like that in a person You're right about how sometimes ill people can react in a stubborn way and have something still in them that is fighting in a way, not wanting to be a special case and just wanting to be like others who are just going about their everyday lives without physical problems. I've seen it first hand on different occasions sadly and there was this stubborness, frustration and almost anger at times and pushing help away. It's why I don't buy into what he tells the world We have all seen with our own eyes Francis' behaviour... The FF documentary on the first tour. The Wolverhampton gig. Rick, Alan and John laughing and hugging before they go on... Francis giving them filthy looks and not participating. The final fling interviews... Even Rick was giving him disgusting looks. This isn't about what I feel Quo should be or whatever. We are talking about Francis Rossi here. "Rick's family didn't know him like I did" ... Bullshit imo!
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Post by paradiseflats on Mar 17, 2019 8:56:14 GMT
You're right about how sometimes ill people can react in a stubborn way and have something still in them that is fighting in a way, not wanting to be a special case and just wanting to be like others who are just going about their everyday lives without physical problems. I've seen it first hand on different occasions sadly and there was this stubborness, frustration and almost anger at times and pushing help away. It's why I don't buy into what he tells the world We have all seen with our own eyes Francis' behaviour... The FF documentary on the first tour. The Wolverhampton gig. Rick, Alan and John laughing and hugging before they go on... Francis giving them filthy looks and not participating. The final fling interviews... Even Rick was giving him disgusting looks. This isn't about what I feel Quo should be or whatever. We are talking about Francis Rossi here. "Rick's family didn't know him like I did" ... Bullshit imo! I am not reading the book but will comment on what has been said is in the book. Francis seems to completely lack emotional intelligence.... He grows apart from Rick. But refuses to discuss why with Rick. Really after working all those years together. Really ? Ok I have not walked in Francis's shoes. Maybe as John Edward's has said it was Rick who changed. Who knows. Francis is the one who now carries the emotional baggage. As he can never sort out and understand the other point of view. As for the Alan tale. I am a cancer survivor and have had really hard times and suffered real indignity. I have taken my frustrations out at times on those closest to me and those who were trying to help me. Its not a good thing but frustration builds when your body lets you down. Snapping at someone in a stressful situation is not great but if you care for someone you can see the hurt inside that person. As they struggle with their body letting them down. The anger isn't at those trying to help but with themselves. Maybe I am applying how I feel onto Alan but Francis really should be able to see this. In truth he is trying to sell books and controversy sells.
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Post by The Lord Flasheart on Mar 17, 2019 9:23:07 GMT
It's why I don't buy into what he tells the world We have all seen with our own eyes Francis' behaviour... The FF documentary on the first tour. The Wolverhampton gig. Rick, Alan and John laughing and hugging before they go on... Francis giving them filthy looks and not participating. The final fling interviews... Even Rick was giving him disgusting looks. This isn't about what I feel Quo should be or whatever. We are talking about Francis Rossi here. "Rick's family didn't know him like I did" ... Bullshit imo! I am not reading the book but will comment on what has been said is in the book. Francis seems to completely lack emotional intelligence.... He grows apart from Rick. But refuses to discuss why with Rick. Really after working all those years together. Really ? Ok I have not walked in Francis's shoes. Maybe as John Edward's has said it was Rick who changed. Who knows. Francis is the one who now carries the emotional baggage. As he can never sort out and understand the other point of view. As for the Alan tale. I am a cancer survivor and have had really hard times and suffered real indignity. I have taken my frustrations out at times on those closest to me and those who were trying to help me. Its not a good thing but frustration builds when your body lets you down. Snapping at someone in a stressful situation is not great but if you care for someone you can see the hurt inside that person. As they struggle with their body letting them down. The anger isn't at those trying to help but with themselves. Maybe I am applying how I feel onto Alan but Francis really should be able to see this. In truth he is trying to sell books and controversy sells. I suppose though if you went through years of working with a guy who flys off the handle easily when he was healthy. Maybe you would think back to those days when dealing with them later. I have had to deal with people like that in my life and it's hard not just to say "bugger you then".
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 17, 2019 9:35:47 GMT
Interesting reading the comments here.
I haven't read the book yet but I'll share a couple of thoughts in response.
I too was very upset over Francis' negative remarks over the reunion gigs, and in particular that Final Fling documentary. The magic spell he wove over me broke then and it hasn't come back.
Even so, I had this though in response to his negativity about Rick and Alan. I'm much younger than the band but even so, I am finding I'm much less tolerant now of things that annoy me than when I was younger. Is it possible that for men in their mid 60s they have even less patience to put up with elements that frustrate them about other band members? I suspect this has to be part of the reason for Francis' behaviour which I also find sad and upsetting.
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Post by cooliquo on Mar 17, 2019 12:15:35 GMT
I think one thing that comes across in this book is his genuine love for Rick. He reiterates that point often.. Sure, there are plenty tales which lead into why they were not close towards the end... Again, if you go into reading the book open minded (not with your mind already made up), you can understand his outlook...
The relationship with Nuff seems far more volatile. Right from the start, pretty much. It seems like Francis got sick of being dominated or intimidated and Nuff didn't like it when Francis's influence or sway became bigger than his... It seems to go back right to the beginning... Frame referring to himself as "the lead singer he (Nuff) couldn't stand" on more than one occasion.
I'll not ruin all the stories etc, stuff people have still to read... But I came out feeling like I finally understood Francis Rossi better. I'm not saying I agree with everything - but I understand it.
It doesn't make me suddenly like his current band or dislike the FF... Simply understand why he did (or didn't do) certain things.
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Post by curiousgirl on Mar 17, 2019 12:34:20 GMT
I think one thing that comes across in this book is his genuine love for Rick. He reiterates that point often.. Sure, there are plenty tales which lead into why they were not close towards the end... Again, if you go into reading the book open minded (not with your mind already made up), you can understand his outlook... The relationship with Nuff seems far more volatile. Right from the start, pretty much. It seems like Francis got sick of being dominated or intimidated and Nuff didn't like it when Francis's influence or sway became bigger than his... It seems to go back right to the beginning... Frame referring to himself as "the lead singer he (Nuff) couldn't stand" on more than one occasion. I'll not ruin all the stories etc, stuff people have still to read... But I came out feeling like I finally understood Francis Rossi better. I'm not saying I agree with everything - but I understand it. It doesn't make me suddenly like his current band or dislike the FF... Simply understand why he did (or didn't do) certain things. Thank's cooliquo. Its what I expected from the book. I shall read in due course.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Mar 18, 2019 11:08:33 GMT
... do you think Richard Skinner ever wishes for more recognition as being the person who made the Intro announcement at Live Aid?
Haven't found any obvious fact gaffs in the book though strange how that error persists in a few books and in the new book, with Tommy Vance being credited each time.
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Post by Triggsy on Mar 19, 2019 18:58:22 GMT
Read it in 3 days, much more personal than Quo related (compared to the Rossi/Parfitt autobiographies previous) Cocaine plays a sinister part in many of FR's decisions over many years, clearly no hope of another reconciliation with Alan, although I felt, in general, FR was honest and generally ok when mentioning Rick and John, Glad he noted he was pleased for the Fans regarding the Frantic Four Reunions, if nothing else
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 19, 2019 19:53:50 GMT
I suppose though if you went through years of working with a guy who flys off the handle easily when he was healthy. Maybe you would think back to those days when dealing with them later. I have had to deal with people like that in my life and it's hard not just to say "bugger you then".
That is something I recognise. All the asides about Al I have come across both from the occasional person and from what was written seem to tell that he is basically a nice person with a very short fuse and sadly, that can overcome the way people feel about you until they do go "had it up to here, not going there again".
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Post by freewilly on Mar 23, 2019 15:02:01 GMT
Read some passages...Will read the whole thing in full over the next few days He's a strange guy. He tries to be this "Oh I have no ego" and "Oh look what I have to put up with" kind of guy to a more egotistical, cutting type character.
Alan's behaviour on the last tour, in my opinion, was quite obnoxious and he should have been more understanding, times have moved on and things have changed. I now know what RP and FR meant by he's still in the 70s By the same token, FR should be more understanding from Alan's point of view.
Doesn't matter how he feels about the guy or how he mean't it, to say he should have let a guy, who in his opinion has MS, fall over is not good at all
The Going Down Town Tonight thing, he says the track is nothing but sequenced drums and keyboards and then talks about about how Alan was disgusted by that and how it reinforced Francis' decision to quit because he was sick of him...Have a word with yourself, Francis ffs. That's diva like and egotistical to the next level.
"I'm sure Alan's opinion on MT softened by the amount he got in royalties from it" Didn't like that quote.... Seemed very petty
Also didn't like how he kept referring to himself as being the number 1 guy in the band. Maybe I took it up wrong but, it appears to be running theme in certain parts, almost like a subconscious retort to people saying, "It's not Quo without Rick!" "It's not Quo without Alan" etc etc
Look forward to reading the rest
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Post by jcb on Mar 23, 2019 22:45:20 GMT
It’s a great book. Covers most of the usual stuff and gives a bit of person insight into “ historical “ events. He is far harsher on himself than on any of the other three. As he keeps pointing out, it’s show business.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 0:21:57 GMT
If it sells enough copies it might appear at Tesco for £10. I might consider that. Otherwise it's back to the time honoured ritual of waiting for the paperback for me too. (Of, if I get really stuffy, the time honoured ritual of waiting for "new and used" on Amazon. ) it'll be in your local "works" store for a quid soon
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 25, 2019 17:14:37 GMT
If it sells enough copies it might appear at Tesco for £10. I might consider that. Otherwise it's back to the time honoured ritual of waiting for the paperback for me too. (Of, if I get really stuffy, the time honoured ritual of waiting for "new and used" on Amazon. ) it'll be in your local "works" store for a quid soon Thanks for the headsup
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