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Post by clonesydney on Mar 15, 2019 12:36:44 GMT
Had a read of what he had to see about Alan, the split and the reunion. His contempt for Nuff is clear and even goes to the extent of telling tales out of school to give the reader a bad impression of him, and saying he wished he'd let him fall over on stage. Naturally he has nothing good to say about the reunion other than he was pleased it didn't last long.
No surprise really but depressing reading all the same!
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Post by freewilly on Mar 15, 2019 15:49:42 GMT
Had a read of what he had to see about Alan, the split and the reunion. His contempt for Nuff is clear and even goes to the extent of telling tales out of school to give the reader a bad impression of him, and saying he wished he'd let him fall over on stage. Naturally he has nothing good to say about the reunion other than he was pleased it didn't last long. No surprise really but depressing reading all the same! He wishes he'd let a sick man fall over on stage? What an absolute **** of a person!
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Post by musiktruhe on Mar 15, 2019 16:01:48 GMT
Really not a surprise, everybody with an another opinion is an enemy.
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Post by cooliquo on Mar 15, 2019 16:42:42 GMT
Had a read of what he had to see about Alan, the split and the reunion. His contempt for Nuff is clear and even goes to the extent of telling tales out of school to give the reader a bad impression of him, and saying he wished he'd let him fall over on stage. Naturally he has nothing good to say about the reunion other than he was pleased it didn't last long. No surprise really but depressing reading all the same! He wishes he'd let a sick man fall over on stage? What an absolute **** of a person! Absolute nonsense. He says that Nuff shouted at them (Francis and Rick) for helping him when he could barely walk.. Like the alternative of letting him fall was better. That's how I read it. Why? Because that's CLEARLY what he meant. I'm no Rossi lover but people will see what they want to see. What suits their agenda. There's been no mention of how Nuff supposedly treated everybody on the second tour. Of course not, cos Rossi said it.. So it must be lies.
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Post by blagult on Mar 15, 2019 17:52:45 GMT
There will be more so called ‘interpreting’what is written to come. But I trust Francis with the truth how he sees it wether people believe / like it or not. I feel the same about Alan. But he is yet to put Pen to Paper. Alan is a proud man so I could see him bollockimg them for trying to help him. And I trust that interpretation of the situation rather than the Anti Rossi one. My book arrives tomorrow.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 15, 2019 18:06:31 GMT
He wishes he'd let a sick man fall over on stage? What an absolute **** of a person! Absolute nonsense. He says that Nuff shouted at them (Francis and Rick) for helping him when he could barely walk.. Like the alternative of letting him fall was better. That's how I read it. Why? Because that's CLEARLY what he meant. I'm no Rossi lover but people will see what they want to see. What suits their agenda. There's been no mention of how Nuff supposedly treated everybody on the second tour. Of course not, cos Rossi said it.. So it must be lies. That's how it was described in the post above. I haven't read the book. Perhaps you should direct that at the poster I was quoting instead of me?
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Post by freewilly on Mar 15, 2019 18:08:12 GMT
There will be more so called ‘interpreting’what is written to come. But I trust Francis with the truth how he sees it wether people believe / like it or not. I feel the same about Alan. But he is yet to put Pen to Paper. Alan is a proud man so I could see him bollockimg them for trying to help him. And I trust that interpretation of the situation rather than the Anti Rossi one. My book arrives tomorrow. So it's only an agenda when someone thinks Rossi meant it in a bad way but,not an agenda when you think he means everyone well and good and never done anything wrong? Ok... Rossi is full of contradictions a lot of times as we all know. The story of how he got into drugs has changed yet again
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Post by cooliquo on Mar 15, 2019 18:14:52 GMT
Absolute nonsense. He says that Nuff shouted at them (Francis and Rick) for helping him when he could barely walk.. Like the alternative of letting him fall was better. That's how I read it. Why? Because that's CLEARLY what he meant. I'm no Rossi lover but people will see what they want to see. What suits their agenda. There's been no mention of how Nuff supposedly treated everybody on the second tour. Of course not, cos Rossi said it.. So it must be lies. That's how it was described in the post above. I haven't read the book. Perhaps you should direct that at the poster I was quoting instead of me? In all honesty, I was directing it at the original post but also trying to calm a quote which clearly triggered a negative reaction.. Apologies if you felt I was targeting you exclusively 👍 Anyway, get the book. Its a decent read. I don't agree with a lot of the Rossi stuff, the direction the band took, personal relationships etc... But I finally feel like I understand why certain things panned out the way they did.. It's all subjective though. Its his view and outlook. Nuff needs to get back to writing his book... I'm sure the absolute truths will be somewhere in the middle!
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Post by freewilly on Mar 15, 2019 18:20:12 GMT
That's how it was described in the post above. I haven't read the book. Perhaps you should direct that at the poster I was quoting instead of me? In all honesty, I was directing it at the original post but also trying to calm a quote which clearly triggered a negative reaction.. Apologies if you felt I was targeting you exclusively 👍 Anyway, get the book. Its a decent read. I don't agree with a lot of the Rossi stuff, the direction the band took, personal relationships etc... But I finally feel like I understand why certain things panned out the way they did.. It's all subjective though. Its his view and outlook. Nuff needs to get back to writing his book... I'm sure the absolute truths will be somewhere in the middle! No hassle man. I'm just someone who acts on emotion like that. I hate seeing people mistreat others and how it was described is what made me react. A band is a complicated relationship. It's not just one person's fault. A variety of factors contribute to it. Rossi strikes me as a very complicated man internally.
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Post by taximan2002 on Mar 15, 2019 18:28:13 GMT
Had a read of what he had to see about Alan, the split and the reunion. His contempt for Nuff is clear and even goes to the extent of telling tales out of school to give the reader a bad impression of him, and saying he wished he'd let him fall over on stage. Naturally he has nothing good to say about the reunion other than he was pleased it didn't last long. No surprise really but depressing reading all the same! He wishes he'd let a sick man fall over on stage? What an absolute **** of a person! He and Rick were helping Alan off the stage as he could hardly walk, Nuff wasn’t happy with them for doing it. That’s the context of the remark..
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Post by clonesydney on Mar 15, 2019 18:34:25 GMT
In fairness he does definitely say that they should have let him fall over, which I think is dismal (whatever the "provocation" considering Al's condition and the pressure he was under performing in Quo for the first time in 38 years.
The story about the catering and Al going off on one is disgraceful in my view.
All I care about is the guy turned up from Australia in poor health but still managed to belt out Backwater, Roadhouse Blues etc and gave many of us some of the most memorable gigs we've ever been to.
Not a word of praise from Rossi for that naturally.
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Post by cooliquo on Mar 15, 2019 18:51:36 GMT
In fairness he does definitely say that they should have let him fall over, which I think is dismal (whatever the "provocation" considering Al's condition and the pressure he was under performing in Quo for the first time in 38 years. The story about the catering and Al going off on one is disgraceful in my view. All I care about is the guy turned up from Australia in poor health but still managed to belt out Backwater, Roadhouse Blues etc and gave many of us some of the most memorable gigs we've ever been to. Not a word of praise from Rossi for that naturally. Let's be honest, if Al does his book... We don't want diplomacy and niceties... We want his honest perspective, examples of arguments etc... Stuff to get yer teeth into. So Rossi says he was disgusted with how Al treated the staff on the second tour.. Well, that's for him to say and Nuff to respond to. We wanted to know why they fell out again. Well, we got answers. I appreciate its not necessarily what people want to hear.. It's subjective though, one person's perspective.. Not gospel.
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Mar 16, 2019 12:01:28 GMT
Have been reading the book for a couple of days. Perhaps like many other long term fans, a case of reading random chapters and pages rather than cover to cover.
No spoilers for those yet to read...
but interesting how Alan had been very much in charge, so to speak, in their school days and first band days. Francis trying hard to fit in with Alan and his family.
Alan's mum had been quite a strong force in their formative years and they wouldn't start a gig without her there or sign anything without her approval. Francis speaks very fondly of the Lancaster family. Though on a different level he knew he wasn't being completely honest with himself and deep down he wasn't really like them.
Not too difficult to see that later on, that when Francis started to be a bit more confident and assertive that the arguments with Alan would begin. Power struggles etc.
I think I read that Jess J had been surprised that John Coghlan was the first to leave as he thought it would have been Alan as inclined to be awkward and not backing down.
Must have been frustrating for Alan to not be in good physical shape at the reunions and, as said by others, he is a proud man so not too difficult see how he may have had a few moments/tantrums, acting before thinking.
...have read accounts from the past when Alan could have his moments. Like having an argument/disagreement in a hotel with a waiter and it resulted in Alan throwing a plate of prawn sandwiches up the wall and along the corridor. The others in the band thinking this was juvenile behaviour.
I'm sure Rick and Francis were not completely squeaky clean in the tantrum department though in the past and fairly common place once the band were falling apart. Francis has also admitted to not being particularly likeable at times and behaved badly with people.
Would be good to hear Alan's perspective on these things.
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Post by freewilly on Mar 16, 2019 19:56:55 GMT
Obviously I haven't read it yet but, if Alan lost the head with the catering staff, he should be ashamed of himself. You should be respectful to people contributing to keep the wheel going...
On the flip side, Rossi using that as a reason to fall out with him is petty and childish and shows his attitude towards Alan. In terms of the "should have let him fall over" line... I've thought about it and it's common for people who are ill to react like the way Alan did. We all know he's a proud and stubborn man. Rossi saying that shows a lack of compassion, understanding and I don't like that in a person
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Mar 16, 2019 20:56:33 GMT
...have read accounts from the past when Alan could have his moments. Like having an argument/disagreement in a hotel with a waiter and it resulted in Alan throwing a plate of prawn sandwiches up the wall and along the corridor. The others in the band thinking this was juvenile behaviour.
It's a tragic waste of prawn sandwiches apart from anything else.
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