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Post by kursaal75 on Feb 8, 2019 11:01:46 GMT
Going back to the Album UNDER THE INFLUENCE.....I haven't got it. It's one of 4 Quo albums I don't own.
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Post by paradiseflats on Feb 8, 2019 15:32:55 GMT
Going back to the Album UNDER THE INFLUENCE.....I haven't got it. It's one of 4 Quo albums I don't own. I don’t own a single album by them. Not in the physical sense.
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Post by americanquo on Feb 8, 2019 17:05:37 GMT
I doubt any album shows what could have been more than this one. I really like parts of it, TWIG, UTI, TWH among others. ALL of those would have been near-classics with a real rhythm section, especially a real bass player. But the bad stuff is really bad because it also suffered from the lack of input from AL, and instead got the god-awful influence of Rhino's song-writing. All in all its an okay album that is very good in parts, but from the real Quo could have been very good, with high points of true excellence.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Feb 8, 2019 19:50:19 GMT
I doubt any album shows what could have been more than this one. I really like parts of it, TWIG, UTI, TWH among others. ALL of those would have been near-classics with a real rhythm section, especially a real bass player. But the bad stuff is really bad because it also suffered from the lack of input from AL, and instead got the god-awful influence of Rhino's song-writing. All in all its an okay album that is very good in parts, but from the real Quo could have been very good, with high points of true excellence. I think you are being unfair Rhino contributed to two of the 12 songs. He co-wrote Shine On (the best song), and shared a credit for Andy's round and round, a good song. Rhino is technically the best bass player they've had, a professional musician. I don't think anyone could have provided a "a real rhythm section" for Quo post Live Aid. Why? Because hired hands do what they are told. Remember old mates slagging Andy in the late 80's, "wish he'd leave, it'd be a better band without him". But the keyboards weren't his fault, anymore than Jeff was responsible for "fast drumming". Everyone involved in Quo 86 onwards has done what Francis required. Everyone. Back to Mr Edwards...fast forward to "fourth chord"...he wrote the best song (bad news) and co-wrote the next best, beginning of the end. Jump ahead again to Quid Pro Quo....he co-writes what are probably the best two songs, Two way traffic & dust to gold I would go as far to say that he has positively contributed similar amounts of quality to "Quo lite" as Rick and Francis have. You can't reasonably expect that from a man who deserves better than still being little more than a hired hand all these decades later. Reckon most of the fan flak he's had (yes he's human and unwisely bites back) has been unfair.
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gerh
Grizzled Rocker Rollin'
Posts: 2,907
Favourite Quo Album: 'Hello' [and 'Quo Live']
Favourite other bands.: Zappa, Kansas, Rush, Deep Purple, Yes, Richard Thompson, Horslips, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest etc etc. [ANYONE but Kiss!]
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Post by gerh on Feb 8, 2019 20:34:50 GMT
Rrrrrrrrr - when's March so we can put this 'heap' to bed???
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Feb 8, 2019 21:46:15 GMT
Rrrrrrrrr - when's March so we can put this 'heap' to bed??? Seriously, why do you hate this album so much? There's no clue from your posts. I am sorry if us talking about it annoys you!! imo it's not classic Quo, but neither is it a bad album
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Feb 8, 2019 22:17:24 GMT
There were 10 pubs on the UK leg of the tour. The list below is of the ones now closed down but rest are still open. Some a long standing music venues too. The Ruskin Arm, East London - gone. Had an interesting musical history though. ruskinarms.com/index.htmlThe Market Hotel, Retford - gone. The Hollybush and Garter, Skelton, Cleveland - gone. The Duchess, Leeds - gone. secretleeds.com/viewtopic.php?t=275
It looks like the Ruskin is still open, but not as a music venue though. Hotel and genteel snooker pub.
The Cart and Horses a couple of miles away is still going strong.
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gerh
Grizzled Rocker Rollin'
Posts: 2,907
Favourite Quo Album: 'Hello' [and 'Quo Live']
Favourite other bands.: Zappa, Kansas, Rush, Deep Purple, Yes, Richard Thompson, Horslips, Rory Gallagher, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest etc etc. [ANYONE but Kiss!]
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Post by gerh on Feb 8, 2019 23:48:44 GMT
Rrrrrrrrr - when's March so we can put this 'heap' to bed??? Seriously, why do you hate this album so much? There's no clue from your posts. I am sorry if us talking about it annoys you!! imo it's not classic Quo, but neither is it a bad album Nah, don't be sorry - it doesn't at all annoy me that some of you want to talk about it. What does annoy me [among other SQ-related] things is that a band I loved so much became [by choice] such a laughing stock and tribute-band version of themselves. But feel free to wax lyrical - doesn't bother me.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Feb 9, 2019 13:59:55 GMT
Well, I did ask
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Post by americanquo on Feb 9, 2019 17:29:20 GMT
I doubt any album shows what could have been more than this one. I really like parts of it, TWIG, UTI, TWH among others. ALL of those would have been near-classics with a real rhythm section, especially a real bass player. But the bad stuff is really bad because it also suffered from the lack of input from AL, and instead got the god-awful influence of Rhino's song-writing. All in all its an okay album that is very good in parts, but from the real Quo could have been very good, with high points of true excellence. I think you are being unfair Rhino contributed to two of the 12 songs. He co-wrote Shine On (the best song), and shared a credit for Andy's round and round, a good song. Rhino is technically the best bass player they've had, a professional musician. I don't think anyone could have provided a "a real rhythm section" for Quo post Live Aid. Why? Because hired hands do what they are told. Remember old mates slagging Andy in the late 80's, "wish he'd leave, it'd be a better band without him". But the keyboards weren't his fault, anymore than Jeff was responsible for "fast drumming". Everyone involved in Quo 86 onwards has done what Francis required. Everyone. Back to Mr Edwards...fast forward to "fourth chord"...he wrote the best song (bad news) and co-wrote the next best, beginning of the end. Jump ahead again to Quid Pro Quo....he co-writes what are probably the best two songs, Two way traffic & dust to gold I would go as far to say that he has positively contributed similar amounts of quality to "Quo lite" as Rick and Francis have. You can't reasonably expect that from a man who deserves better than still being little more than a hired hand all these decades later. Reckon most of the fan flak he's had (yes he's human and unwisely bites back) has been unfair.
Not unfair to me. The guy's bass sounds like an elephant farting half the time, instead of the crisp, driving hammer of AL's. His song-writing ranges from pendantic to not terrible. Of course, I skip Round and Round and don't particularly like Shine On, so personal taste comes into it. Regardless, while Lancaster may not have been the best technician, his imagination and creativity were drastically better than Rhino's.
No drummer has come close to Coghlan's unique outlook. The only one I think is even close is Jeff Rich, but he was so different it's hard to compare.
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Post by durango95 on Feb 9, 2019 17:31:26 GMT
Imagine now it's 1999....
I got the CD as fast as I could back then,ordered it by phone from a store some 80 km away!
I sent the money in a letter and I got the CD in the mail...
By then it had been some awful Quo years since -92 and the RTYD album and video thing were both very good imo.
So when the opening bars of TWH came out of my speakers I almost too...
This was just what I had been waiting for in seven long years,It sounded like Quo again.
Better stuff have been released since but I just tell what I thought back then.
My favourites TODAY from the album is TWH,UTI,LWL,LMAY and TWIG.
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Post by Victor on Feb 9, 2019 18:10:23 GMT
Imagine now it's 1999....
I got the CD as fast as I could back then,ordered it by phone from a store some 80 km away!
I sent the money in a letter and I got the CD in the mail...
By then it had been some awful Quo years since -92 and the RTYD album and video thing were both very good imo.
So when the opening bars of TWH came out of my speakers I almost too...
This was just what I had been waiting for in seven long years,It sounded like Quo again.
Better stuff have been released since but I just tell what I thought back then.
My favourites TODAY from the album is TWH,UTI,LWL,LMAY and TWIG. Yep, this is very much like what I was feeling and thinking back then !
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Post by fretbuzzzzz on Feb 9, 2019 20:28:16 GMT
I doubt any album shows what could have been more than this one. I really like parts of it, TWIG, UTI, TWH among others. ALL of those would have been near-classics with a real rhythm section, especially a real bass player. But the bad stuff is really bad because it also suffered from the lack of input from AL, and instead got the god-awful influence of Rhino's song-writing. All in all its an okay album that is very good in parts, but from the real Quo could have been very good, with high points of true excellence. I think you are being unfair Rhino contributed to two of the 12 songs. He co-wrote Shine On (the best song), and shared a credit for Andy's round and round, a good song. Rhino is technically the best bass player they've had, a professional musician. I don't think anyone could have provided a "a real rhythm section" for Quo post Live Aid. Why? Because hired hands do what they are told. Remember old mates slagging Andy in the late 80's, "wish he'd leave, it'd be a better band without him". But the keyboards weren't his fault, anymore than Jeff was responsible for "fast drumming". Everyone involved in Quo 86 onwards has done what Francis required. Everyone. Back to Mr Edwards...fast forward to "fourth chord"...he wrote the best song (bad news) and co-wrote the next best, beginning of the end. Jump ahead again to Quid Pro Quo....he co-writes what are probably the best two songs, Two way traffic & dust to gold I would go as far to say that he has positively contributed similar amounts of quality to "Quo lite" as Rick and Francis have. You can't reasonably expect that from a man who deserves better than still being little more than a hired hand all these decades later. Reckon most of the fan flak he's had (yes he's human and unwisely bites back) has been unfair. I understand what you are saying rossiswaistcoat. Rick was largely responsible for Rhino and Jeff joining the band. He thought they were at top class rhythm section following their studio work on his 'Recorded Delivery' recordings. Francis was fairly indifferent to them at first though he knew he had contract obligations and he actually thought they were ok (praise indeed!) There is always something magical about those early Quo recordings and Quo shows were an event, a tour de force, though Alan could be mocked for what seemed like a simplistic style. Mates of mine used to say that Alan just uses the one string on his bass etc etc but us Quo addicts knew that Alan was far more than that and the reunions did bring home just what a top class band they were when they were in sync and going for it. Rhino and Jeff were a bit too quick with the rhetoric about how the band had changed and about Alan and didn't do themselves any favours. Somehow Andy B has managed to let any criticisms (there have been many) wash over him and he has managed to navigate away from too much confrontation with fans. Perhaps Rhino should have taken a leaf out of his book but on the other hand it must have been a bit difficult not to get involved in a bit of sparring with his detractors. Many of his detractors, I'm sure, wouldn't know their way round a bass guitar to save their lives but oddly become experts online. Alan and JC will always be part of the iconic line up for me. They were there when it all kicked off, so to speak, and something happened musically between them, even when they were falling apart. Though how many (session) bass players or drummers would have turned the Quo gig down if they received the call?? Personally think stuff like Two Way Traffic, Dust to Gold and other Rhino contributions have been some of the better Quo material in more recent years. Rhino did try to get his Rock orientated material heard by the band in the studio and started working with Rick again in that way. Possibly in conflict with Francis, the way that Alan had been.
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Post by paradiseflats on Feb 10, 2019 11:19:00 GMT
Back in 1999. I had gone along to see the band on the previous tour.
It certainly wasn’t my Status Quo. But the set was good apart from some dreadful covers.
They played the new album over the PA. I wasn’t impressed it was very light weight and didn5 do much for me.
It was the first album with the name Status Quo on I had bought since Back to back. I wasn’t expecting much. My low expectations were surpassed. Yes it wasn’t my Status Quo. It was light weight and poppy.
But I quite liked the songs or at least some of them. I thought Shine on was excellent. Francis’s vocals were at times vulnerable to me and I quite liked it.
It would be followed up by better albums and time hasn’t been kind to it. It’s too light weight and the production has so few layers but doesn’t sound raw. Maybe it’s Jef Rich’s drumming. He just does not nail a back beat well at all.
I hadn’t played the album in years and now see why. It’s just so samey. All mid tempo. Apart from Shine on which still think is very good.
Is this Rossi Frost’s Swansong ? I think so but don’t know so.
I think why I don’t dislike the album is unlike previous albums there’s no shockers on the album. Nothing where I think oh my days that’s the worst. And with that I damn it with faint praise.
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Post by whoaskedyou on Feb 10, 2019 12:18:45 GMT
Well i was up early this morning and my tennis was cancelled due to rain in grey Croydon.
An opportunity to give album a spin so to speak...an hour or so out of my life.
Like a lot of others on here i would buy Quo product out of blind loyalty up until the dreadful Bula.
It must be difficult being song writers and having reached the heights of Backwater, Caroline, Down Down, A Year, Lonely Man, I Saw The Light, Ring Of Change etc etc etc in the mid seventies where to go..the seventies had gone and here we are approaching a new century...some of us still buying the output others wishing for old Quo.
Move away from old Quo and you can enjoy..if not stick to your 70 to 75 period or 70 to 81.
I believe they tried hard on this album..i found it surprisingly fresh today..there are very few poor tracks but no real outstanding hair on back of neck songs or a single, that in the old days would have reached a top five chart position on top of the pops.
Nevertheless, this is worth digging out if you have a car journey or are in the kitchen rustling up some grub.
I think they tried to vary things a bit here..Making Waves probably being my favourite..and The Way It Goes is a top tapper.
So all or all not a bad hour spent and much to enjoy as a contrast to early Quo if you allow yourself the outlook.
Peace and love to all.
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