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Post by 4th Chord on Nov 27, 2018 9:58:58 GMT
"Usually albums sell better when the artist dies and criticism is seen as sacrilege. Quo fans are no exception in that respect .."
On the face of it, a pretty crass comment from Cups and Cafes admin, or is there some truth in it?
What do you guys think? Was the album better received because Rick died? I think most of the fan reviews I saw were realistic in that it was a mixed bag with some standout tracks, mixed in with a lot of sadness that Rick was gone. No idea what the sales figures were for the album.
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Post by Victor on Nov 27, 2018 10:01:19 GMT
I think it's a pretty crass comment. From the reactions I have seen here I think those reactions would have been the same if Rick hadn't passed away
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Post by Mrs Flittersnoop on Nov 27, 2018 12:59:50 GMT
Yes, it is true, if maybe a bit overstated. If you hear someone's dead, it changes everything around them. Fans who were a bit on the borderline may be inclined to be a more polite or respectful, reviewers will be gentler, those who wish to criticise may defer for a bit. (May.) Rick is going to be missed, so his last album becomes a memento for some. I think fan reviews I have seen have been pretty balanced - but everyone still feels a bit different than they would have done if he was still alive and kicking. (Mind you the "Rick situation", poor health and out of the band, meant that everyone was rooting for him already.) But broadly, true, particularly the bit about "selling better", as the album becomes a talking point.
OTOH, I think that an unexpected death causing a runaway best seller (who was that American folksinger who died in the early 70s sometime and became an overnight phenomenon for a few weeks?) has become less so, probably because the older generations are dying regularly, and the whole pop/rock fandom is fragmented now.
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Post by markquo on Nov 27, 2018 13:46:58 GMT
I listened to it once that was enough for me,yes of course it’s sad Rick is no longer with us but in my opinion it was a pretty substandard affair and I’m not influenced by his passing.Just very average songs Cheers
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Post by curiousgirl on Nov 27, 2018 15:06:43 GMT
I think of the die-hard Quo fans, we would have bought the album whether he was alive or dead. And I think the reviews posted here have been very honest. They vary because all our tastes vary.
The only grain of truth is that the initial high sales when the album was released that first week may well have been due to his passing. I don't think Francis' album sold that well in 2010. And it didn't chart.
I'm glad that Rick's album sold so well. It doesn't matter to me that more were sold because he had recently died. It was a great testiment to how well he was loved that so many went out an bought it. So the comment quoted in the OP is a tad judgemental and mean.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 15:28:40 GMT
Crassly expressed but also sadly true. It was the same when Freddie, Roy and George died. It's not just that people, if they have a sense of common decency, don't want to speak ill of the dead, but for fans it's also the realisation there is no more to come. Barrels can be scraped, tracks can remixed and remastered and the most pointless and shocking quality bootlegs issued by avaricious record execs but the bottom line is there is no more fresh material so what there is has to be cherished.
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Post by blagult on Nov 27, 2018 23:44:27 GMT
I don’t think the comment was meant to offend. I reckon it was meant as a general observation that When an artist Dies a posthumous release always seems to sell. I don’t think anything more than that was meant. With regard to Ricks release it is what it is. If he had been a guy who wrote a lot and got in the Studio and put things down regularly then they might have had more to choose from. Sadly Rick enjoyed life to the full and that got in the way so what was left was what it was. I quite like the album but it’s not a classic that’s going to go down in the same breath as the FF releases. Far from it ! But it’s more Ryhtmically Quo than what Francis would offer.
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Post by paradiseflats on Nov 28, 2018 7:08:12 GMT
The person who said the above quote needs to have a word with themselves. It is what typifies what discussion has become sadly. Overblown opinion, trying to present itself as fact.
I have read a lot of reviews about the album. From what I recall not a single one was over the top in its praise. When people were/are criticical and I was, there was no fake outrage. No one telling me, you can’t say that, as Rick has passed away.
As for it’s sales. Let us not get carried away. It didn’t sell by the bucket load. I think with album sales so low, a core audience can easily get an album in the top 5 without selling more than 10000 albums.
Did I buy it because he had passed. Well no. Did I buy it because it was Rick, well yes. If Rhino passed away I wouldn’t suddenly buy his albums. Just don’t have that connection.
The quote is simply someone being a troll. No more no less.
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Post by Victor on Nov 28, 2018 7:50:20 GMT
For me it's simply like this: If I like an album from any artist I will get it, but if I don't I won't and whether an artist is alive or not makes no difference for me in that.
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Post by americanquo on Nov 29, 2018 23:04:36 GMT
I listened to it once that was enough for me,yes of course it’s sad Rick is no longer with us but in my opinion it was a pretty substandard affair and I’m not influenced by his passing.Just very average songs Cheers I'm so glad that I have an opposite opinion.
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Post by markquo on Nov 30, 2018 12:36:19 GMT
I listened to it once that was enough for me,yes of course it’s sad Rick is no longer with us but in my opinion it was a pretty substandard affair and I’m not influenced by his passing.Just very average songs Cheers I'm so glad that I have an opposite opinion. Yes of course,that’s the power of music and why we all see and hear things different Cheers
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Dec 9, 2018 8:02:41 GMT
I would have bought it either way.
I think it made top 10 in album charts.
I think it’s a cracking album, with only a couple of duff ‘fillers’, probably the way Quo should have gone after Alan left.
I play it at least 2 or 3 times every week and enjoy it enormously
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Post by Gaz on Dec 9, 2018 11:14:41 GMT
I haven’t bought or listened to the whole album... maybe one day. But I’ll never forget the power of Rick live ...a top shelf rocker who gave it all every gig!
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Post by dennis on Dec 10, 2018 0:41:23 GMT
I found it to be the best Quo related studio offering since 1980 - damning with faint praise there, some might say!
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Post by americanquo on Dec 10, 2018 18:55:16 GMT
I'm so glad that I have an opposite opinion. Yes of course,that’s the power of music and why we all see and hear things different Cheers Agree completely. It's how I can enjoy some of Quo-lite's music while simultaneously thinking how much better it would have been with Lancaster and Coghlan.
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