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Post by Victor on Aug 6, 2018 21:48:52 GMT
So I haven't listened to this album all the way through since it came out. I found it online and tried to listen all the way through. I'm almost speechless at my strong disappointment after this experience. Its such a chuggalong album, track after track after track. There's even one called, Enough is Enough. And shock horror, it also reminds me a lot of the recent CQ albums/sound such as QPQ.There's no great guitar interplay. It all sounds mechanical, let alone the drums. Was this first album with out John, or was that 1982? I think it was 1982 if he left in 81. I listened all the way through to the 1st four numbers. Absolutely loved Take Me Away because its quite heavy and a different rhythm to the other tracks. But by Falling In And Falling Out, I was listening until I remembered a track and then skipped to the next one. On reflection, and with what I know about the inner goings on with Quo, I can hear that this is mainly Francis and no great guitar play with him and Rick. I was disappointed that he sung Mountain Lady when I hoped it would be Alan. Maybe Al's voice wasn't as great as it was on the reunion tours but I'd have loved to hear him sing it. Never been a fan of the Rossi/Frost sound which dominates this album. So its a thumbs down from me except for Take Me Away. As you know I have very different feelings about the album to which I will get back later... but that sentence you wrote, maybe that is exactly why I liked QPQ cos in certain songs it reminded me of JS and NTL I like the way this thread is going so far and hope it will generate all sorts of different opinions, viewpoints and such
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Post by Quoincidence on Aug 6, 2018 21:59:11 GMT
So I haven't listened to this album all the way through since it came out. I found it online and tried to listen all the way through. I'm almost speechless at my strong disappointment after this experience. Its such a chuggalong album, track after track after track. There's even one called, Enough is Enough. And shock horror, it also reminds me a lot of the recent CQ albums/sound such as QPQ. There's no great guitar interplay. It all sounds mechanical, let alone the drums. Was this first album with out John, or was that 1982? I think it was 1982 if he left in 81. I listened all the way through to the 1st four numbers. Absolutely loved Take Me Away because its quite heavy and a different rhythm to the other tracks. But by Falling In And Falling Out, I was listening until I remembered a track and then skipped to the next one. On reflection, and with what I know about the inner goings on with Quo, I can hear that this is mainly Francis and no great guitar play with him and Rick. I was disappointed that he sung Mountain Lady when I hoped it would be Alan. Maybe Al's voice wasn't as great as it was on the reunion tours but I'd have loved to hear him sing it. Never been a fan of the Rossi/Frost sound which dominates this album. So its a thumbs down from me except for Take Me Away. Johns last album as they were "left overs" from the Supposin' sessions... TBH they should have chosen the superior tracks and made one album out of those tracks instead of two. It was a bad time to record an album really. John wanted a break, Rick was busy with the death of Heidi, so it was pretty much down to Alan, Francis and Andy... (& Bernie), and Francis was already considering going Solo. They really should have just taken a break
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Post by Victor on Aug 7, 2018 7:57:48 GMT
So I haven't listened to this album all the way through since it came out. I found it online and tried to listen all the way through. I'm almost speechless at my strong disappointment after this experience. Its such a chuggalong album, track after track after track. There's even one called, Enough is Enough. And shock horror, it also reminds me a lot of the recent CQ albums/sound such as QPQ. There's no great guitar interplay. It all sounds mechanical, let alone the drums. Was this first album with out John, or was that 1982? I think it was 1982 if he left in 81. I listened all the way through to the 1st four numbers. Absolutely loved Take Me Away because its quite heavy and a different rhythm to the other tracks. But by Falling In And Falling Out, I was listening until I remembered a track and then skipped to the next one. On reflection, and with what I know about the inner goings on with Quo, I can hear that this is mainly Francis and no great guitar play with him and Rick. I was disappointed that he sung Mountain Lady when I hoped it would be Alan. Maybe Al's voice wasn't as great as it was on the reunion tours but I'd have loved to hear him sing it. Never been a fan of the Rossi/Frost sound which dominates this album. So its a thumbs down from me except for Take Me Away. Johns last album as they were "left overs" from the Supposin' sessions... TBH they should have chosen the superior tracks and made one album out of those tracks instead of two.It was a bad time to record an album really. John wanted a break, Rick was busy with the death of Heidi, so it was pretty much down to Alan, Francis and Andy... (& Bernie), and Francis was already considering going Solo. They really should have just taken a break That would have been some album ! In that case I would have chosen What you're proposing Over the edge The wild ones Name of the Game Coming and Going Never too Late Carol Take me away Mountain Lady Don't stop me now Riverside (in no particular order)
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Post by musiktruhe on Aug 7, 2018 8:31:37 GMT
For me is the Just S. album the worst from the FF.
Never Too Late is for me much better and sadly the last album from quo with a fitting drummer.
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 7, 2018 12:07:15 GMT
I've just listened to Just Supposing and thinking about a thread of song titles to create a single album from them as suggested by Victor in his post, seeing as they were both recorded at the same time.
Alas, I would only have one song from NTL which is Take Me Away. I much preferred JS on the whole. I'll leave my thoughts on that album for when we have a thread on it.
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Post by unspokenwords on Aug 7, 2018 13:44:09 GMT
At the time the album (and 'Just supposin' also ) left me feeling cold and it still does. Never listen to any of the songs.
For myself Quo made a mistake with the sound/production of RAOTW and thereafter they seemed to spend their time trying to rectify the problem but never did. They also wanted to 'develop' as artists but could not do that either (and were perhaps curtailed by trying to play safe/hedge their bets and keep things close to the Quo 12 bar and shuffle without making a radical break). As such they produced unrelenting mediocrity.
In a sense it was 'too late' , they had killed Status Quo as the fantastic recording act it had been during the golden years to 1976 and were never able to really resuscitate it.
There was always an occasional song on subsequent albums but never a whole album of glory again and by the point of Alan's departure, and since, the deterioration has been/was dramatic.
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Post by sismith232 on Aug 7, 2018 18:32:58 GMT
I have a soft spot for this album- for me it beats the JS album, but only just. NTL is a great album opener- for me one of Quo’s best. I think I’m right in saying this was Spud’s last album (bar some work on 1+9+8+2?), and he sounds in fine form on it- none more so than on the opener.
I don’t know why but SBYBIL makes me cringe a little when I hear it now...
FI, FO and LA are both quality offerings, ones which I would like to have seen them play live.
RS is one I like the more I have played the album. Carol I can take or leave. The first cover on a Quo album since Roadhouse Blues?
All in all not a bad album.
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Post by Detroit on Aug 7, 2018 20:01:24 GMT
Carol, about it for me.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 7, 2018 22:42:26 GMT
Will listen over next few days. In so many ways, I’d Francis wanted to take an old album as a blueprint or inspiration, he need look no further than this - the album of the old band he dominated like no other. Can’t remember how many he wrote but he sings them all
He could add a few bluesy touches and perhaps make a good rock album, provided he could write good songs. He should draw confidence that he delivered a well regarded album many fans loved , but crucially was able to write the material without Bob.
NTL is an achievement that Francis doesn’t get credit for. Largely I think because the perceptive hardcore of the time were distressed at seeing the signs pointing to strife within the band.
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Post by rockonquo on Aug 8, 2018 6:08:45 GMT
I discovered Never Too Late album in 1996 & I think it's a fab album apart from Enough is Enough, from the first listen i don't like that track. Always love the album cover, would like to have it on t shirt or jacket. SAYBIL is a great cover imo, always like hearing it live. Great memories listening to that album at that time, only a year later Quo played in Sydney, first time in 19 years i think.
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 8, 2018 7:55:44 GMT
Will listen over next few days. In so many ways, I’d Francis wanted to take an old album as a blueprint or inspiration, he need look no further than this - the album of the old band he dominated like no other. Can’t remember how many he wrote but he sings them all He could add a few bluesy touches and perhaps make a good rock album, provided he could write good songs. He should draw confidence that he delivered a well regarded album many fans loved , but crucially was able to write the material without Bob. NTL is an achievement that Francis doesn’t get credit for. Largely I think because the perceptive hardcore of the time were distressed at seeing the signs pointing to strife within the band. If you've not listened for some time, be really interesting to see what you make of it. Here are the song writing credits.
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 8, 2018 9:32:45 GMT
So I haven't listened to this album all the way through since it came out. I found it online and tried to listen all the way through. I'm almost speechless at my strong disappointment after this experience. Its such a chuggalong album, track after track after track. There's even one called, Enough is Enough. And shock horror, it also reminds me a lot of the recent CQ albums/sound such as QPQ. There's no great guitar interplay. It all sounds mechanical, let alone the drums. Was this first album with out John, or was that 1982? I think it was 1982 if he left in 81. I listened all the way through to the 1st four numbers. Absolutely loved Take Me Away because its quite heavy and a different rhythm to the other tracks. But by Falling In And Falling Out, I was listening until I remembered a track and then skipped to the next one. On reflection, and with what I know about the inner goings on with Quo, I can hear that this is mainly Francis and no great guitar play with him and Rick. I was disappointed that he sung Mountain Lady when I hoped it would be Alan. Maybe Al's voice wasn't as great as it was on the reunion tours but I'd have loved to hear him sing it. Never been a fan of the Rossi/Frost sound which dominates this album. So its a thumbs down from me except for Take Me Away. I can see where you're coming from. I feel that a lot of the good stuff by later line-ups does resemble this era's sound. But I think an album like QPQ has better songwriting overall. I can see why Alan said some of the songs weren't finished. I hear that especially in the second half of the album. It's still well-performed, but definitely not flawless. And yes, some of the drumming (especially on SBYBIL Riverside) was later overdubbed wiith hand-played drum samples, which doesn't really improve it...
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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 8, 2018 10:17:31 GMT
Good to read your thoughts frozenhero. I didn't get out QPQ to re-listen to it and I don't listen to it now. But I was really surprised by how much the later sound resembled this middle era of Quo. I haven't listened to any of the 80s Quo albums since I originally bought them. Of course at the time, each one was played over and over because it was a new Quo album. But they haven't stayed with me in the way that the classic era of mid 70s did. And hearing them again this week was quite a shock. First of all how much I didn't enjoy NTL but also how similar the sound was in general terms. Of QPQ and ISOTFC, I prefer ISOTFC. I find QPQ relentless. I think the only track I still like is Dust to Gold, from memory. But I will say no more until we get to that album thread.
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Post by frozenhero on Aug 8, 2018 11:40:12 GMT
Of QPQ and ISOTFC, I prefer ISOTFC. I find QPQ relentless. I think the only track I still like is Dust to Gold, from memory. But I will say no more until we get to that album thread. Me too, but they're rather close in my perception. ISOTFC definitely has more interesting and varied textures. As for NTL, I know I'll get attacked for this but to me it says a lot about how Quo would have developed if Alan had become the de facto leader. To me, his contributions had become really substandard by this point, and I can't see how Quo would have turned out better with more of that. I mean, what exactly was he trying to do with Mountain Lady? I really can't wrap my head around that song. There were certainly issues with Francis' (eventually) chosen direction, but I daresay it was a reason why the band survived the hard times. At least until the late 80s.
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Post by Victor on Aug 8, 2018 11:49:00 GMT
Of QPQ and ISOTFC, I prefer ISOTFC. I find QPQ relentless. I think the only track I still like is Dust to Gold, from memory. But I will say no more until we get to that album thread. Me too, but they're rather close in my perception. ISOTFC definitely has more interesting and varied textures. As for NTL, I know I'll get attacked for this but to me it says a lot about how Quo would have developed if Alan had become the de facto leader. To me, his contributions had become really substandard by this point, and I can't see how Quo would have turned out better with more of that. I mean, what exactly was he trying to do with Mountain Lady? I really can't wrap my head around that song.There were certainly issues with Francis' (eventually) chosen direction, but I daresay it was a reason why the band survived the hard times. At least until the late 80s. Nah the intention of this thread is not for people to get attacked on their opinions and we won't let that happen. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. What your message proves to me once again though is that the Quo fanbase is a very wide chirch. I personally don't consider Mountain Lady substandard at all and think it's one of Alan's best songs. For me his work became a lot less from 1982 on, but I will get back to that when that album will be discussed.
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