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Post by curiousgirl on Aug 4, 2018 14:33:21 GMT
I definitely see pre 84 Status Quo and 86 and onwards as two different bands musically. I always liked the lighter side of Quo, including the 60s stuff which I discovered retrospectively at the time I discovered them. So I didn't feel the change after 77 that some fans did which continued on the later albums. I know when I came back to listening to Quo again (2001 C4 documentary and the HT album), I enjoyed the new music but couldn't put my finger on what was off. It wasn't quite like Quo however, I was so busy with my life that I didn't spend much time thinking about why. And anyway, people and life changes so I went with the newer sounds. I quite like a lot of ISOTFC but QPQ hasn't stayed with me. I had no inclination to check out the albums I missed in between. And since joining the online Quo community and checking out odd tracks from those albums, I've still no inclination to do so. But I have always enjoyed the Francis tracks off early and later Quo albums. Not every single song - some of the ones everyone is down on such as Tommy and Restless, I'm with you all a 100%. His partnership with Bob Young are the tracks like past and present, I like. And I enjoyed his solo tour, but it didn't excite me in the way I'd hoped. In fact Bernadette was more of a discovery than solo Francis was. I bought both her CDS on the spot after the first gig. So as far as this album goes, I'll give it a listen online. I'm mildly curious but not excited. However, I think its difficult for fans of any long time band to like all the changes. I've recently got into the works of Jeff Beck after watching his documentary earlier this year. I quite like the tracks of his last 2016 album, Loud Hailer because he is working with young talent and its a bit different. But looking at the bad comments from long term Beck fans online, and its like reading a SQ message board. And to be fair to those fans, maybe I'd feel as disappointed as them if I'd followed him since the 70s. Yes I prefer his early classics from that period, but I'm not against him experimenting in the way that I find it harder with Quo. Its not easy being a fan, is it.
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Post by MrWaistcoat on Aug 4, 2018 14:45:08 GMT
I've not worked it out exactly, but the current members of SQ have over 130 years in the band between them.
Take that in.
I think of the current band as FR's SQ, but whether we like it or not, SQ in 2018 are still SQ. It's a fact. A fan not regarding them as SQ is an opinion. That SQ still go on is a fact.
Francis is finally very open that he's in complete control. Lots of great bands have been controlled by one person, eg Motorhead, so it can work.
Ulitmately, will his complete control make him happy? With the process, yes, with the "product", no.
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Post by clonesydney on Aug 4, 2018 15:17:35 GMT
I've not worked it out exactly, but the current members of SQ have over 130 years in the band between them. Take that in. I think of the current band as FR's SQ, but whether we like it or not, SQ in 2018 are still SQ. It's a fact. A fan not regarding them as SQ is an opinion. That SQ still go on is a fact. Francis is finally very open that he's in complete control. Lots of great bands have been controlled by one person, eg Motorhead, so it can work. Ulitmately, will his complete control make him happy? With the process, yes, with the "product", no. It's also only an opinion that the current band is SQ.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 4, 2018 15:18:25 GMT
I've not worked it out exactly, but the current members of SQ have over 130 years in the band between them. Take that in. I think of the current band as FR's SQ, but whether we like it or not, SQ in 2018 are still SQ. It's a fact. A fan not regarding them as SQ is an opinion. That SQ still go on is a fact. Francis is finally very open that he's in complete control. Lots of great bands have been controlled by one person, eg Motorhead, so it can work. Ulitmately, will his complete control make him happy? With the process, yes, with the "product", no. Unlike others I see it as Status Quo, just not my Status Quo. I am not a fan of Status Quo now as it exists. But as I have said this has been the case for a long time. Live they were at times good after Alan was forced out but for long periods, whether they were good or not, it wasn't what I wanted. So I voted with my wallet. As Victor said, the music of the band is so linked to my life and friendships. But not the music of the band after 1985. Yes music can work with one person in charge. Loads of band like that. Sometimes they can continue and get better after a key song writer leaves. But often most bands have a key axis creatively. Status Quo were great because of Alan, John and Francis's song writing and the chemistry in the studio between 4 men. Once the magic circle was broken they went into decline musically to me. But most long running bands do. Few are consistent in their music. Or simply they change and you are less keen on the music. These days for most bands I have not got a clue who is in which band. I have to be honest the number of bands I actually look forward to their new release are few and far between. I guess its a bit depressing when I think of it like that. But its live where I am so disappointed by Status Quo. They stopped being a top draw rock band long ago to me. This is because Francis and Rick wanted a band that they played a static greatest hits set. Churning out the same songs in pretty much the same order. Francis and Rhino don't like Forty Five hundred times as a live song. So they play Burning bridges instead. You like it ? Fair enough. It is not what I want to hear. The Oriental, a shit song, that is boring live. I rest my case. But they still entertain people. People still buy tickets and their albums. They are however welcome to their Status Quo.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 4, 2018 15:19:49 GMT
I've not worked it out exactly, but the current members of SQ have over 130 years in the band between them. Take that in. I think of the current band as FR's SQ, but whether we like it or not, SQ in 2018 are still SQ. It's a fact. A fan not regarding them as SQ is an opinion. That SQ still go on is a fact. Francis is finally very open that he's in complete control. Lots of great bands have been controlled by one person, eg Motorhead, so it can work. Ulitmately, will his complete control make him happy? With the process, yes, with the "product", no. It's also only an opinion that the current band is SQ. No its a fact. Their is a band called Status Quo. They own the name, or at least members of the band and Rick's family own the name.
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Post by freewilly on Aug 4, 2018 16:30:28 GMT
I've not worked it out exactly, but the current members of SQ have over 130 years in the band between them. Take that in. I think of the current band as FR's SQ, but whether we like it or not, SQ in 2018 are still SQ. It's a fact. A fan not regarding them as SQ is an opinion. That SQ still go on is a fact. Francis is finally very open that he's in complete control. Lots of great bands have been controlled by one person, eg Motorhead, so it can work. Ulitmately, will his complete control make him happy? With the process, yes, with the "product", no. Disagree. Yes, it's called Status Quo but, it's not really. Status Quo for me is summed up with one image, an image that is branded about to this day. No offence to John but, the image of Francis, Rick and Alan, front and center of the stage, opening with Caroline and they're rocking their bollix off!! I appreciate not everyone thinks like that but, it's like ACDC... There is no Bon, no Malcolm, no Cliff, no Phil and now no Brian, yet its still called ACDC. But, in essence, is it really? Anyways, at the end of the day, I'm merely only a voice. I don't make any sort of difference. If people still get enjoyment from it, I'm not going to be a dick about it and try ruin it for them. Music at the end of the day is about a feeling and creating a feeling. If people still get kicks out of it then, more power to them. I just think it's a bedpan of shit
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 4, 2018 16:49:15 GMT
I've not worked it out exactly, but the current members of SQ have over 130 years in the band between them. Take that in. I think of the current band as FR's SQ, but whether we like it or not, SQ in 2018 are still SQ. It's a fact. A fan not regarding them as SQ is an opinion. That SQ still go on is a fact. Francis is finally very open that he's in complete control. Lots of great bands have been controlled by one person, eg Motorhead, so it can work. Ulitmately, will his complete control make him happy? With the process, yes, with the "product", no. Disagree. Yes, it's called Status Quo but, it's not really. Status Quo for me is summed up with one image, an image that is branded about to this day. No offence to John but, the image of Francis, Rick and Alan, front and center of the stage, opening with Caroline and they're rocking their bollix off!! I appreciate not everyone thinks like that but, it's like ACDC... There is no Bon, no Malcolm, no Cliff, no Phil and now no Brian, yet its still called ACDC. But, in essence, is it really? Anyways, at the end of the day, I'm merely only a voice. I don't make any sort of difference. If people still get enjoyment from it, I'm not going to be a dick about it and try ruin it for them. Music at the end of the day is about a feeling and creating a feeling. If people still get kicks out of it then, more power to them. I just think it's a bedpan of shit Popular music is a strange thing and it has not been around that long. Where people buy music and take it home. As a result, this whole thing of is it the band I loved still the band is quite a modern concept. In a short time, all of the great bands and all of the shit ones to, from the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s will be gone. Time will make sure of that. Will the franchise band, be the next stage. I read recently that the singer from UFO will retire after one more tour, but he said he does not have a problem if they continue without him. I think there will be no original members left. KISS have talked about continuing as a brand after Gene and Paul have left. It is funny and odd how with music, we talk about what's real or not or genuine or not. There are few bands that are the original line up or the famous line up left. U2 ? Can not think of any other, that started in the late 70s into early 80s.
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Post by paradiseflats on Aug 4, 2018 16:52:06 GMT
I've not worked it out exactly, but the current members of SQ have over 130 years in the band between them. Take that in. I think of the current band as FR's SQ, but whether we like it or not, SQ in 2018 are still SQ. It's a fact. A fan not regarding them as SQ is an opinion. That SQ still go on is a fact. Francis is finally very open that he's in complete control. Lots of great bands have been controlled by one person, eg Motorhead, so it can work. Ulitmately, will his complete control make him happy? With the process, yes, with the "product", no. Disagree. Yes, it's called Status Quo but, it's not really. Status Quo for me is summed up with one image, an image that is branded about to this day. No offence to John but, the image of Francis, Rick and Alan, front and center of the stage, opening with Caroline and they're rocking their bollix off!! I appreciate not everyone thinks like that but, it's like ACDC... There is no Bon, no Malcolm, no Cliff, no Phil and now no Brian, yet its still called ACDC. But, in essence, is it really? Anyways, at the end of the day, I'm merely only a voice. I don't make any sort of difference. If people still get enjoyment from it, I'm not going to be a dick about it and try ruin it for them. Music at the end of the day is about a feeling and creating a feeling. If people still get kicks out of it then, more power to them. I just think it's a bedpan of shit Out of interest, and I am not sure what your music tastes are but which of these are still the real band ? Judas Priest Metallica Bad Company The Rolling stones Slade Deep Purple Marillion Guns n Roses Fleetwood Mac
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 17:22:12 GMT
Francis seems to be disappointed that the acoustic thing didn't last but every time he is interviewed on the subject he implies that the fans are to blame, "the fans wanted us to do electric", etc. Has he never thought that Porter and the record company are to blame, that the promotion was all over the place, that Aquostic II as a product was lacking?
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Aug 4, 2018 22:24:49 GMT
8 Years ago, he seemed depressed about QPQ and, by his own admission, he didn't know what to write. It was Porter who said he should try write stuff like Paper Plane and Down Down. Rossi hates that album. You could see it when he was promoting it... I can't imagine he's putting much into this album if it's "rock" Ricks solo album and Quid Pro Quo are for me, is the best material anything Quo related have done since Never Too Late. Have gone past taking Rossi’s gibbering as other than just white noise
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Post by freewilly on Aug 5, 2018 1:09:56 GMT
Disagree. Yes, it's called Status Quo but, it's not really. Status Quo for me is summed up with one image, an image that is branded about to this day. No offence to John but, the image of Francis, Rick and Alan, front and center of the stage, opening with Caroline and they're rocking their bollix off!! I appreciate not everyone thinks like that but, it's like ACDC... There is no Bon, no Malcolm, no Cliff, no Phil and now no Brian, yet its still called ACDC. But, in essence, is it really? Anyways, at the end of the day, I'm merely only a voice. I don't make any sort of difference. If people still get enjoyment from it, I'm not going to be a dick about it and try ruin it for them. Music at the end of the day is about a feeling and creating a feeling. If people still get kicks out of it then, more power to them. I just think it's a bedpan of shit Out of interest, and I am not sure what your music tastes are but which of these are still the real band ? Judas Priest Metallica Bad Company The Rolling stones Slade Deep Purple Marillion Guns n Roses Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac is a tricky one. I'm a massive fan but, as a fan, I'm lucky to have two great incarnations of the band. Great albums and great songs. If it's not the 60's lineup or the Rumours lineup, I legit don't want to know. They wrote those songs and only they can deliver them the way they should be...With the exception of Oh Well, the Rumours line up never tried to emulate the Peter Green era. I massively respect that. I respect what Quo post 86 tried to do with Army and AC and I do like a lot of the material on those albums but, you can't put out albums like that, dress up in suits and slacks to promote it and then dress up in ripped denims and belt out a shit version of Caroline live. I personally believe that is where a lot of the problem was The Stones...Best work was done with Brian. No doubt about it but, the sound of the band is Mick, Keith and Charlie and always has been. Take one of those out of the equation and forget it! Live that is...Although, I really do like their latest album Metallica...Kirk is an integral part of the band. Jason was there for at least two of their best albums and was an integral part their epic live shows... Guns n Roses...Difficult one...Still sound great but, you noticed the sound changed once Steven Adler was sacked and you definitely noticed when Izzy left Slade?....We both know the answer there... Can't comment on the rest. Limited knowledge tbh Common theme here, with the expection of Mac, as it's pretty much two different bands...All these bands retain their sound and the integral parts that made them what they are. They have an identity, a sound, a feeling, a vibe... A certain band got rid of it's vital elements, it's sound, feeling and vibe... As for U2, whom you mentioned previously...They've gone over 40 years with the same members...Never been done before...A member of the band nearly died recently enough apparently so, who knows how long they keep going. Hopefully forever in my mind. They're all best mates but, if one of them decides it's enough, the band will fold is what they say... Would be a shame but, it's how I'd see a band been run. Music is more than a brand Again though, this is just my opinion...Those on here who are friends with me on FB, know I'm this dickhead, who is all about doing what I believe is the right thing and having respect and being genuine etc etc. I realise it's not always like that in music but, who says I can't fight or argue against it? I do respect those who still enjoy it and go to the gigs. I love it tbh! It's what music is all about. I just think it's a crock of shit when I see certain things being said and I do find some of the clips of gigs beyond crap. Like someone practicing in their bedroom but, again, it's just my opinion
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Post by freewilly on Aug 5, 2018 1:29:20 GMT
Francis seems to be disappointed that the acoustic thing didn't last but every time he is interviewed on the subject he implies that the fans are to blame, "the fans wanted us to do electric", etc. Has he never thought that Porter and the record company are to blame, that the promotion was all over the place, that Aquostic II as a product was lacking? Second album was beyond shite. Never have I heard Rick phoning it before. First one had some class moments on it...POMM, AIBN, SR, Rain, Claudie...The rest was just puzzling to put it nicely. Paper Plane is going great, really good and then, a fucking Accordion comes along and is all over it?! And then, the cunting thing is everywhere??? Aquodion
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Post by markquo on Aug 5, 2018 15:44:15 GMT
Disagree. Yes, it's called Status Quo but, it's not really. Status Quo for me is summed up with one image, an image that is branded about to this day. No offence to John but, the image of Francis, Rick and Alan, front and center of the stage, opening with Caroline and they're rocking their bollix off!! I appreciate not everyone thinks like that but, it's like ACDC... There is no Bon, no Malcolm, no Cliff, no Phil and now no Brian, yet its still called ACDC. But, in essence, is it really? Anyways, at the end of the day, I'm merely only a voice. I don't make any sort of difference. If people still get enjoyment from it, I'm not going to be a dick about it and try ruin it for them. Music at the end of the day is about a feeling and creating a feeling. If people still get kicks out of it then, more power to them. I just think it's a bedpan of shit Out of interest, and I am not sure what your music tastes are but which of these are still the real band ? Judas Priest Metallica Bad Company The Rolling stones Slade Deep Purple Marillion Guns n Roses Fleetwood Mac You forgot Dr Feelgood Cheers
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Post by gentlemanjoe on Aug 5, 2018 19:48:01 GMT
There is no such band as Status Quo anymore, it’s a just a name used to sell tickets for a tribute band.
Some might argue that been the case for a very long time..
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Post by ptquo on Aug 5, 2018 20:09:30 GMT
Disagree. Yes, it's called Status Quo but, it's not really. Status Quo for me is summed up with one image, an image that is branded about to this day. No offence to John but, the image of Francis, Rick and Alan, front and center of the stage, opening with Caroline and they're rocking their bollix off!! I appreciate not everyone thinks like that but, it's like ACDC... There is no Bon, no Malcolm, no Cliff, no Phil and now no Brian, yet its still called ACDC. But, in essence, is it really? Anyways, at the end of the day, I'm merely only a voice. I don't make any sort of difference. If people still get enjoyment from it, I'm not going to be a dick about it and try ruin it for them. Music at the end of the day is about a feeling and creating a feeling. If people still get kicks out of it then, more power to them. I just think it's a bedpan of shit Out of interest, and I am not sure what your music tastes are but which of these are still the real band ? Judas Priest Metallica Bad Company The Rolling stones Slade Deep Purple Marillion Guns n Roses Fleetwood Mac Marillion is an interesting one. I’m a massive fan of the Fish era but accept that the current band which has been stable for decades is an entity on its own. The band have said that they wished they’d changed their name after Fish left as they are judged as an 80’s prog rock band, they’ve moved on but the name has connections.
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